air stone manditory?

drew · 06-08-2006, 08:03 PM

Ok the lady at the fish store told me i had to have a pump and an airstone and what not so the fish could have ait. But ive noticed in pictures of some tanks that people dont have air pumps. My question is simple, and i feel like an idiot for asking, but do i have to have an air pump to give the fish air?

flamingo · 06-08-2006, 08:19 PM

You don't need it whatsoever. I only use them to create current in dead spots and get the film off the top of the water when I accidentally overfeed the beasts lol.

Also use them for brine shrimp and all.

**fish_doc** · 06-08-2006, 09:01 PM

Air gets in the water by surface water movement. The air does help create this but so do many filter systems. The more air you want in the water the more you surface movement you need.

It is simple but one of the most often mis-understood things.

Ringo · 06-08-2006, 09:07 PM

wait...i thought the fish breathed the air getting pumped into the tanks??? (now you've lost me) so all i need is top water movement in my tanks?

and is it possible to over aireate?

Durbkat · 06-08-2006, 09:21 PM

No you can't over oxygenate a tank. Oxygen is created by water movement and the bubbles that a air pump creates causes surface agiatation which creates oxygen.

**Damon** · 06-08-2006, 09:42 PM

Fish do breathe air in the water. But even that can become depleted. Filters create surface movement. When the surface is broken (water being poured into the tank from you or a filter), it draws o2 into the water and releases CO2 (to the point of equillibrium). Airstones are usually not needed but higher water temps hold less water and less water movement may result in the need for one. For most tanks, this is never an issue.

drew · 06-08-2006, 10:32 PM

ok my 10 gal has 6 zebra danios in it, and i havent had my airstone in, but they wont move from the surface of the water, is this a problem of them not getting enough air? They all stay about half an inch or less from the surface, or closer. Everynow and then one will dart off and go deeper, but they all seem to be up there, this isnt a problem is it?

Ajreoandoeka · 06-08-2006, 11:15 PM

In my experience with Zebra Danios...(It was a really bad one, but that's irrelevant to this post) they stay up near the surface anyways. The ones I had just hung out up there. I believe they are top dwelling fish...(Someone else feel free to say if I'm wrong and I'll edit)

Alin10123 · 06-08-2006, 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drew

ok my 10 gal has 6 zebra danios in it, and i havent had my airstone in, but they wont move from the surface of the water, is this a problem of them not getting enough air? They all stay about half an inch or less from the surface, or closer. Everynow and then one will dart off and go deeper, but they all seem to be up there, this isnt a problem is it?

Do you have any water surface agitation at all? maybe from the filter?

drew · 06-09-2006, 08:09 AM

yes there is from the filter

**fish_doc** · 06-09-2006, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Durbkat

No you can't over oxygenate a tank.

Actually it is possible to over oxygenate your water. And it will create health issues with your fish. Some of the problems that arise are with the eyes of the fish and others end up with problems related to the swim bladder. It is not too common but it is possible. The more common problem is a lack of "breathable" air in the tank.

Drew - How long has this tank been set up and have you had the ammonia, nitrate, and nitrite levels?

drew · 06-09-2006, 10:12 AM

Sorry fish doc i dont have a kit to test the water yet, and the tanks been set up for about 4 days, i know these forums are against using fish for cycling, but i heard that zebras were good for cycling.

**fish_doc** · 06-09-2006, 10:23 AM

Danios do tend to stay in the top 1/2 of the tank. But if you have alot of plants or decorations that will also push them to the top. They like lots of free open swiming space.

The reason I asked about the lenght of time the tanks has been set up and ammonia is because in new tanks going through their cycling process the ammonia rises and fish will go to towads the surface for gulps of air to get around ammonia spikes.

I wouldn't worry to much about them being near the top of the tank unless they become slow and stagnant. Danios are a active fish and always should be on the move.
If they slow down do a partial water change and see if they perk up. In fact because you are only 4 days into cycling the tank it wouldnt hurt to be doing regular partial water changes already.

Durbkat · 06-09-2006, 10:24 AM

Go to the pet store with a baggie that has some of your tank water and tell them to test it and then write down the results. Another reason they may be acting this way is because a 10g is to small for danios the minimum size tank for them is a long 20g because they are so active and like to go back and forth at the top of the tank.

drew · 06-09-2006, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fish_doc

Danios do tend to stay in the top 1/2 of the tank. But if you have alot of plants or decorations that will also push them to the top. They like lots of free open swiming space.

The reason I asked about the lenght of time the tanks has been set up and ammonia is because in new tanks going through their cycling process the ammonia rises and fish will go to towads the surface for gulps of air to get around ammonia spikes.

I wouldn't worry to much about them being near the top of the tank unless they become slow and stagnant. Danios are a active fish and always should be on the move.
If they slow down do a partial water change and see if they perk up. In fact because you are only 4 days into cycling the tank it wouldnt hurt to be doing regular partial water changes already.

Can you help me out with the easiest way of doing water changes? Im totally lost on how to go about it, do i put the water in like jugs and then treat it with the dechlorinator, and then put it in the tank or what. Also whats the best way to get the water thats already in there out.

Durbkat · 06-09-2006, 11:18 AM

To do a water change is to remove some water and replace it with freshwater that has been treated with dechlor. I don't do it in my tanks, I just do vacum cleanings because my water stats are good and stable except in my bettas tanks which I do 100% water changes. The best way to take it out is to take a cup that has been washed but not recently and make sure it doesn't have a soap smell to it, you should rinse it out in hot water to be sure then dry it out with a paper towel and scoop water out into a bucket. I would remove about 20% of the water once a week or so.

**fish_doc** · 06-09-2006, 11:25 AM

The eaisest way is with a python.
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/produc...1&N=2004&Nty=1
One end hooks up at your sink and sucks the water right to the drain, You flip the switch and fill the tank.

If you cant afford that you can use a syphon and bucket or even a cup and bucket will work during cycling of a 10 gallon tank.

You pull a couple gallons out of the tank and then bring the bucket to the drain or plants if you want to water them and empty it.
Fill the bucket up with new water add some dechlor and then slowly add it to the tank and your done. You can finger test the water to get it to a close temp as you get it from the tap.

For a bucket I use a 5 gallon white painters bucket. I got it at walmart for I think it was $2.50 but any bucket will do. Just be sure it is clean and free of any cleaners and other chemicals. I would use one dedicated only for your fish use.

drew · 06-09-2006, 11:41 AM

thanks durbkat and fishdoc, ill do a water change tonight and let you know how it goes, lol i hope it goes alright.

Durbkat · 06-09-2006, 11:51 AM

Don't forget to get your water tested as soon as possible.

drew · 06-09-2006, 11:53 AM

yea, ill prbually invest in a kit here in the next day or two

06-08-2006, 08:03 PM	#1
drew Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 31	air stone manditory? Ok the lady at the fish store told me i had to have a pump and an airstone and what not so the fish could have ait. But ive noticed in pictures of some tanks that people dont have air pumps. My question is simple, and i feel like an idiot for asking, but do i have to have an air pump to give the fish air?

06-08-2006, 08:19 PM	#2
flamingo One Word: Croutons. Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Wisconsin Age: 17 Posts: 1,897	You don't need it whatsoever. I only use them to create current in dead spots and get the film off the top of the water when I accidentally overfeed the beasts lol. Also use them for brine shrimp and all. __________________ If you put "u" instead of typing out the actual, shocking, three letter word... i'm not going to read your ramblings. I'm so behind it's not even funny.

06-08-2006, 09:01 PM	#3
fish_doc Advisor to Neptune (Mod) Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Northern Illinois Age: 40 Posts: 3,825	Air gets in the water by surface water movement. The air does help create this but so do many filter systems. The more air you want in the water the more you surface movement you need. It is simple but one of the most often mis-understood things. __________________ Dave (fish_doc) A World of fish

06-08-2006, 09:42 PM	#6
Damon Aquatic Naturalist Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dayton, Ohio Age: 32 Posts: 14,982	Fish do breathe air in the water. But even that can become depleted. Filters create surface movement. When the surface is broken (water being poured into the tank from you or a filter), it draws o2 into the water and releases CO2 (to the point of equillibrium). Airstones are usually not needed but higher water temps hold less water and less water movement may result in the need for one. For most tanks, this is never an issue. __________________ For in much wisdom [is] much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow. Member of the AGA (Aquatic Gardner's Association) Member of the IBC (International Betta Congress)

06-09-2006, 10:23 AM	#13
fish_doc Advisor to Neptune (Mod) Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Northern Illinois Age: 40 Posts: 3,825	Danios do tend to stay in the top 1/2 of the tank. But if you have alot of plants or decorations that will also push them to the top. They like lots of free open swiming space. The reason I asked about the lenght of time the tanks has been set up and ammonia is because in new tanks going through their cycling process the ammonia rises and fish will go to towads the surface for gulps of air to get around ammonia spikes. I wouldn't worry to much about them being near the top of the tank unless they become slow and stagnant. Danios are a active fish and always should be on the move. If they slow down do a partial water change and see if they perk up. In fact because you are only 4 days into cycling the tank it wouldnt hurt to be doing regular partial water changes already. __________________ Dave (fish_doc) A World of fish

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06-08-2006, 09:07 PM	#4
Ringo I'm just a Twig Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: The Sticks Age: 16 Posts: 964	wait...i thought the fish breathed the air getting pumped into the tanks??? (now you've lost me) so all i need is top water movement in my tanks? and is it possible to over aireate?

06-08-2006, 09:21 PM	#5
Durbkat It's the Evil Monkey!! Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kentucky Age: 17 Posts: 1,112	No you can't over oxygenate a tank. Oxygen is created by water movement and the bubbles that a air pump creates causes surface agiatation which creates oxygen.

06-08-2006, 10:32 PM	#7
drew Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 31	ok my 10 gal has 6 zebra danios in it, and i havent had my airstone in, but they wont move from the surface of the water, is this a problem of them not getting enough air? They all stay about half an inch or less from the surface, or closer. Everynow and then one will dart off and go deeper, but they all seem to be up there, this isnt a problem is it?

06-08-2006, 11:15 PM	#8
Ajreoandoeka Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Cambridge Springs, PA Age: 21 Posts: 87	In my experience with Zebra Danios...(It was a really bad one, but that's irrelevant to this post) they stay up near the surface anyways. The ones I had just hung out up there. I believe they are top dwelling fish...(Someone else feel free to say if I'm wrong and I'll edit)

06-09-2006, 08:09 AM	#10
drew Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 31	yes there is from the filter

06-09-2006, 10:12 AM	#12
drew Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 31	Sorry fish doc i dont have a kit to test the water yet, and the tanks been set up for about 4 days, i know these forums are against using fish for cycling, but i heard that zebras were good for cycling.

06-09-2006, 10:24 AM	#14
Durbkat It's the Evil Monkey!! Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kentucky Age: 17 Posts: 1,112	Go to the pet store with a baggie that has some of your tank water and tell them to test it and then write down the results. Another reason they may be acting this way is because a 10g is to small for danios the minimum size tank for them is a long 20g because they are so active and like to go back and forth at the top of the tank.

06-09-2006, 11:18 AM	#16
Durbkat It's the Evil Monkey!! Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kentucky Age: 17 Posts: 1,112	To do a water change is to remove some water and replace it with freshwater that has been treated with dechlor. I don't do it in my tanks, I just do vacum cleanings because my water stats are good and stable except in my bettas tanks which I do 100% water changes. The best way to take it out is to take a cup that has been washed but not recently and make sure it doesn't have a soap smell to it, you should rinse it out in hot water to be sure then dry it out with a paper towel and scoop water out into a bucket. I would remove about 20% of the water once a week or so.

06-09-2006, 11:25 AM	#17
fish_doc Advisor to Neptune (Mod) Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Northern Illinois Age: 40 Posts: 3,825	The eaisest way is with a python. http://www.drsfostersmith.com/produc...1&N=2004&Nty=1 One end hooks up at your sink and sucks the water right to the drain, You flip the switch and fill the tank. If you cant afford that you can use a syphon and bucket or even a cup and bucket will work during cycling of a 10 gallon tank. You pull a couple gallons out of the tank and then bring the bucket to the drain or plants if you want to water them and empty it. Fill the bucket up with new water add some dechlor and then slowly add it to the tank and your done. You can finger test the water to get it to a close temp as you get it from the tap. For a bucket I use a 5 gallon white painters bucket. I got it at walmart for I think it was $2.50 but any bucket will do. Just be sure it is clean and free of any cleaners and other chemicals. I would use one dedicated only for your fish use. __________________ Dave (fish_doc) A World of fish

06-09-2006, 11:41 AM	#18
drew Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 31	thanks durbkat and fishdoc, ill do a water change tonight and let you know how it goes, lol i hope it goes alright.

06-09-2006, 11:51 AM	#19
Durbkat It's the Evil Monkey!! Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kentucky Age: 17 Posts: 1,112	Don't forget to get your water tested as soon as possible.

06-09-2006, 11:53 AM	#20
drew Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 31	yea, ill prbually invest in a kit here in the next day or two

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