newbie with empty 10 gallon

fishperson · 08-20-2006, 12:26 AM

I have an empty 10 gallon that i'm hoping to fill with some less typical inhabitants.

On my list of fish i'm hoping to get are african dwarf frogs, kuhli loaches, amano shrimp, and otos. maybe a freshwater clam for fun?

we'll see...

maybe 3-4 frogs, 3-4 loaches, 3 shrimp, 3 otos? Is that overcrowded?

what combo might you suggest?

any suggestions appreciated.

Zoe · 08-20-2006, 01:06 AM

Don't know if you should go with kuhli loaches... they get to be 5-7cms and should be kept in groups of 4 or more, so that's a lot of loach for a small tank. Plus you don't get to see them too much. Would a bristlenose pleco be too big for a 10gal?

A couple frogs, few ottos, the clam... you could get some rock shrimp too - those guys are very cool.
Maybe a school of harlequin rosboras? They'd match the decor :P

In my experience, dwarf frogs are really sensitive to overcrowding, so just be careful with that. But then, those froggies can be hit-or-miss.

Gluck!

Blue · 08-20-2006, 01:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoe

Would a bristlenose pleco be too big for a 10gal?

Yes. It's too big for a 10 gallons tank. Otos will do well but will not in the early stages of the tank as they are rather delicate to the changes in water chemistry.
Jellybean rasboras are nice. Heterandria formosa, Endlers and some guppies will do but don't mix the guppies and Endlers as they interbreed easily.
Neons will also fit in the tank but again they should never be put in the tank until tank is at least 6 months as they are delicate or sensitive.

Puffer Pita · 08-20-2006, 06:34 AM

Freshwater clams do not live long in aquaria. I was told that and thought I'd give it a try anyway, good food for the puffs. I bought 40 of them and within 2 days, every single one was dead.

fishperson · 08-20-2006, 12:36 PM

fine. no clam.

the thing is, i was thinking two types of a stranger kind of fish (or frog), some shrimp and some otos.

i guess i've decided one of those two would be some adfs.
the other, if not kuhli loaches (the consensus was there's no room?), maybe some panda corys or small loaches?

3 adfs, 5 corys, 3 otos, 3 shrimp?

Puffer Pita · 08-20-2006, 01:20 PM

ADFs are loads of fun, I love mine. I wouldn't keep them with loaches or cories though, the ADFs will starve to death.

fishperson · 08-20-2006, 02:16 PM

then is there another less typical fish that could share a 10 gallon with adfs that you suggest?

i'm running out of ideas...

Puffer Pita · 08-20-2006, 03:04 PM

I would suggest going to your LFS/LPS and seeing what's available that you like, then come and do some research and ask questions about them.

**JustOneMore20** · 08-20-2006, 04:01 PM

A 10g tank is on the small side so choices are limited, especially if you want unique fish. Most of them get too big for a 10g.

What about a tank with just ADFs?

Plecostomus · 08-20-2006, 05:07 PM

dwarf puffers are a more different fish, and if you get plants in your tank, they would do well. Shrimp and otos are good choices, i have a kuhli loach in my 10 gallon tank, and it does very well. they like places to hide or fine gravel to bury under because they are nocturnal, I dunno about the ADFs though.

Puffer Pita · 08-20-2006, 05:23 PM

I would not recommend DPs with ADFs. While some people have had success with them together, more often than not there are problems. Its not worth the risk.

fishperson · 08-20-2006, 07:32 PM

corys, kuhlis, ottos, and shrimp??

or is that too many bottom dwellers?

Zoe · 08-20-2006, 07:35 PM

Yeah, it doesn't seem like a good use of the space - you need some mid-range fishies or something

Zoe

**JustOneMore20** · 08-20-2006, 07:44 PM

Kuhlis get too big for a 10g. I think 20g is minimum. Most cories get too big unless you get the pygmy or habrosus cories which are mid-bottom dwellers. They are hard to find though and can be expensive. If you can find them, get 6. They need bigger groups than the other cories.

How about some ottos, pygmy or habrosus cories, and shrimp. That would be a nice tank.

fishperson · 08-21-2006, 04:15 PM

alright. i'll prolly go with a couple of adfs, 7 or so pygmy cories and some cherry shrimp.

Puffer Pita · 08-21-2006, 06:14 PM

Again, I wouldn't put ADFs with cories. The ADFs stand a very good chance of starving to death. Cories are very active and fast eaters. ADFs might eat the shrimp, too.

fishperson · 08-21-2006, 09:54 PM

hmm...

i really want froggies though. but i think i want the cories more.

maybe 6 spotted harlequins, 6 pygmy cories, few shrimp???

fishperson · 08-21-2006, 11:24 PM

spotted rasboras rather.

aka dwarf rasboras

Puffer Pita · 08-22-2006, 07:16 AM

Too much for a 10g.

MaryPa · 08-22-2006, 11:51 AM

3 ADFs and a trio of Threadfin Rainbows would go together great. You`ll want sand substrate for the frog ( the little guys crash dive after submersing for air). Plop in a few java ferns and anubias.It`s best not to over crowd a tank. I love my frogs too.

08-20-2006, 12:26 AM	#1
fishperson Fishy Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 11	newbie with empty 10 gallon I have an empty 10 gallon that i'm hoping to fill with some less typical inhabitants. On my list of fish i'm hoping to get are african dwarf frogs, kuhli loaches, amano shrimp, and otos. maybe a freshwater clam for fun? we'll see... maybe 3-4 frogs, 3-4 loaches, 3 shrimp, 3 otos? Is that overcrowded? what combo might you suggest? any suggestions appreciated.

08-20-2006, 01:06 AM	#2
Zoe <·)))< Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Ottawa Age: 22 Posts: 1,030	Don't know if you should go with kuhli loaches... they get to be 5-7cms and should be kept in groups of 4 or more, so that's a lot of loach for a small tank. Plus you don't get to see them too much. Would a bristlenose pleco be too big for a 10gal? A couple frogs, few ottos, the clam... you could get some rock shrimp too - those guys are very cool. Maybe a school of harlequin rosboras? They'd match the decor :P In my experience, dwarf frogs are really sensitive to overcrowding, so just be careful with that. But then, those froggies can be hit-or-miss. Gluck! __________________ 90g pltd: angelfish [black, leopard, platinum, silver zebra & gold vt] · glass catfish · harlequin rasbora · neon & rummy nosed tetra · sterpai & spotted cory · bristlenose pleco 28g pltd: scarlet badis · oto cats · bristlenose 16g pltd: flame & honey gourami · cherry barbs 8g (soon to be 18g): 15 lbs LR · 10 lbs LS · YSP · zoas · shrooms · flame & hammer corals · brittle star · scarlet & electric blue hermits · firefish

08-20-2006, 06:34 AM	#4
Puffer Pita Puffer Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,677	Freshwater clams do not live long in aquaria. I was told that and thought I'd give it a try anyway, good food for the puffs. I bought 40 of them and within 2 days, every single one was dead. __________________ Tina Puffers: Auriglobus silus x2 Colomesus asellus x1 Tetraodon travancoricus x1 Tetraodon biocellatus x2 Tetraodon nigroviridis x1 Tetraodon baileyi x2 Tetraodon lineatus x1 Tetraodon palembangensis x1 The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way in which its animals are treated. - Mohandas Gandhi

08-20-2006, 01:20 PM	#6
Puffer Pita Puffer Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,677	ADFs are loads of fun, I love mine. I wouldn't keep them with loaches or cories though, the ADFs will starve to death. __________________ Tina Puffers: Auriglobus silus x2 Colomesus asellus x1 Tetraodon travancoricus x1 Tetraodon biocellatus x2 Tetraodon nigroviridis x1 Tetraodon baileyi x2 Tetraodon lineatus x1 Tetraodon palembangensis x1 The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way in which its animals are treated. - Mohandas Gandhi

08-20-2006, 03:04 PM	#8
Puffer Pita Puffer Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,677	I would suggest going to your LFS/LPS and seeing what's available that you like, then come and do some research and ask questions about them. __________________ Tina Puffers: Auriglobus silus x2 Colomesus asellus x1 Tetraodon travancoricus x1 Tetraodon biocellatus x2 Tetraodon nigroviridis x1 Tetraodon baileyi x2 Tetraodon lineatus x1 Tetraodon palembangensis x1 The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way in which its animals are treated. - Mohandas Gandhi

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08-20-2006, 12:36 PM	#5
fishperson Fishy Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 11	fine. no clam. the thing is, i was thinking two types of a stranger kind of fish (or frog), some shrimp and some otos. i guess i've decided one of those two would be some adfs. the other, if not kuhli loaches (the consensus was there's no room?), maybe some panda corys or small loaches? 3 adfs, 5 corys, 3 otos, 3 shrimp?

08-20-2006, 02:16 PM	#7
fishperson Fishy Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 11	then is there another less typical fish that could share a 10 gallon with adfs that you suggest? i'm running out of ideas...

08-20-2006, 04:01 PM	#9
JustOneMore20 Moderator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Alabama, US Age: 22 Posts: 3,487	A 10g tank is on the small side so choices are limited, especially if you want unique fish. Most of them get too big for a 10g. What about a tank with just ADFs? __________________ *Kristin* 5 Planted tanks: 55g, 40g, 29g, 10g, 5.5g 10g N. multifasciatus tank, 5.5g Platy fry

08-20-2006, 05:07 PM	#10
Plecostomus Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: California Age: 15 Posts: 72	dwarf puffers are a more different fish, and if you get plants in your tank, they would do well. Shrimp and otos are good choices, i have a kuhli loach in my 10 gallon tank, and it does very well. they like places to hide or fine gravel to bury under because they are nocturnal, I dunno about the ADFs though.

08-20-2006, 05:23 PM	#11
Puffer Pita Puffer Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,677	I would not recommend DPs with ADFs. While some people have had success with them together, more often than not there are problems. Its not worth the risk. __________________ Tina Puffers: Auriglobus silus x2 Colomesus asellus x1 Tetraodon travancoricus x1 Tetraodon biocellatus x2 Tetraodon nigroviridis x1 Tetraodon baileyi x2 Tetraodon lineatus x1 Tetraodon palembangensis x1 The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way in which its animals are treated. - Mohandas Gandhi

08-20-2006, 07:32 PM	#12
fishperson Fishy Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 11	corys, kuhlis, ottos, and shrimp?? or is that too many bottom dwellers?

08-20-2006, 07:35 PM	#13
Zoe <·)))< Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Ottawa Age: 22 Posts: 1,030	Yeah, it doesn't seem like a good use of the space - you need some mid-range fishies or something Zoe __________________ 90g pltd: angelfish [black, leopard, platinum, silver zebra & gold vt] · glass catfish · harlequin rasbora · neon & rummy nosed tetra · sterpai & spotted cory · bristlenose pleco 28g pltd: scarlet badis · oto cats · bristlenose 16g pltd: flame & honey gourami · cherry barbs 8g (soon to be 18g): 15 lbs LR · 10 lbs LS · YSP · zoas · shrooms · flame & hammer corals · brittle star · scarlet & electric blue hermits · firefish

08-20-2006, 07:44 PM	#14
JustOneMore20 Moderator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Alabama, US Age: 22 Posts: 3,487	Kuhlis get too big for a 10g. I think 20g is minimum. Most cories get too big unless you get the pygmy or habrosus cories which are mid-bottom dwellers. They are hard to find though and can be expensive. If you can find them, get 6. They need bigger groups than the other cories. How about some ottos, pygmy or habrosus cories, and shrimp. That would be a nice tank. __________________ *Kristin* 5 Planted tanks: 55g, 40g, 29g, 10g, 5.5g 10g N. multifasciatus tank, 5.5g Platy fry

08-21-2006, 04:15 PM	#15
fishperson Fishy Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 11	alright. i'll prolly go with a couple of adfs, 7 or so pygmy cories and some cherry shrimp.

08-21-2006, 06:14 PM	#16
Puffer Pita Puffer Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,677	Again, I wouldn't put ADFs with cories. The ADFs stand a very good chance of starving to death. Cories are very active and fast eaters. ADFs might eat the shrimp, too. __________________ Tina Puffers: Auriglobus silus x2 Colomesus asellus x1 Tetraodon travancoricus x1 Tetraodon biocellatus x2 Tetraodon nigroviridis x1 Tetraodon baileyi x2 Tetraodon lineatus x1 Tetraodon palembangensis x1 The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way in which its animals are treated. - Mohandas Gandhi

08-21-2006, 09:54 PM	#17
fishperson Fishy Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 11	hmm... i really want froggies though. but i think i want the cories more. maybe 6 spotted harlequins, 6 pygmy cories, few shrimp???

08-21-2006, 11:24 PM	#18
fishperson Fishy Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 11	spotted rasboras rather. aka dwarf rasboras

08-22-2006, 07:16 AM	#19
Puffer Pita Puffer Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,677	Too much for a 10g. __________________ Tina Puffers: Auriglobus silus x2 Colomesus asellus x1 Tetraodon travancoricus x1 Tetraodon biocellatus x2 Tetraodon nigroviridis x1 Tetraodon baileyi x2 Tetraodon lineatus x1 Tetraodon palembangensis x1 The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way in which its animals are treated. - Mohandas Gandhi

08-22-2006, 11:51 AM	#20
MaryPa Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Glenville,Pa. Age: 58 Posts: 272	3 ADFs and a trio of Threadfin Rainbows would go together great. You`ll want sand substrate for the frog ( the little guys crash dive after submersing for air). Plop in a few java ferns and anubias.It`s best not to over crowd a tank. I love my frogs too. __________________ 125 gal. 5 Clown Loaches 4 Phantom Tetras 8 Hyphessobrycon vilmae tetras 1 SAE 1 ABN Pleco 5 Bronze Cory 9 Gold barbs 55gal 1 Angelicus 1 Clown Pleco 1 ABN Pleco 12 cories 2 Discus 55 gal Severum, Blood Parrot 55 1 Threadfin Rainbow 4 cherry Barbs CT Betta 2 Bumble Bee Catfish1 Swordtail Guppy Male 29 gal Platies 29gal Cories 29gal Endlers and RCS 10 Swordtail guppy females and fry

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