Cycle with fish - Page 2

jeffm1000 · 10-19-2006, 11:20 AM

Zoe, thanks for the help. I appreciate you and everyone trying to help solve this problem. Input is always welcome.

jeffm1000 · 10-20-2006, 08:14 AM

24 hours later, no change in parameters. I didn't think so but just want to point it out since it does say it works overnight.

Puffer Pita · 10-20-2006, 11:12 AM

You never answered my question (or else I missed it): Are there any plants in the tank?

Moses · 10-21-2006, 02:46 AM

I find it hard to believe that a highly respectable company such as Seachem offers a product for cycling with the 'incorrect live bacteria' in it...
Stability™ is the culmination of nearly a decade of research and development and represents the current state of the art in natural biological management.
I guess they lie

jeffm1000 · 10-21-2006, 06:38 AM

Tina - I overlooked your question, there are no live plants yet. When I get things stable I would like to add some.

Moses - Don't believe everything you read.

Does tooth whitening toothpaste really whiten your teeth?
Does oxyclean really magically clean your clothes?
The list goes on but my point is that some products simply don't work, however, they will stay on the shelf as long as consumers like us continue to purchase them.

What makes sense to me is. Cycle is a shelf product requiring no refrigeration and has no expiration date yet is supposed to promote the growth of our bacteria that will begin to die without the correct environment? Just my opinion, I may be completely off.

Puffer Pita · 10-21-2006, 07:38 AM

Believe what you want. However, bottled products that sit on shelves do not contain live bacteria, and not the type that's needed for cycling. There are only two such products, one is BioSpira, the other is not readily available to consumers - its used in mass quantities for public aquariums and such and is extremely difficult to find. Neither cannot remain unrefrigerated for long. With both, you add once.

jeffm1000 · 10-21-2006, 09:03 AM

Well, I'll be a SOB! I'm shocked, three weeks of cycling with fish and no nitrite. You all know I just added Bio Spira less than 48 hours ago and I now have a nitrite spike. Cycle didn't work for **** and Bio-Spira did the trick. Thanks for the tip everyone!

Puffer Pita · 10-21-2006, 11:15 AM

Your cycle should be complete within the next day or two. Its not exactly "instant" but close to it.

Moses · 10-21-2006, 04:28 PM

I believe what I see. I have used Stability to cycle 3 55 gal tanks at once testing each day and they cycled in 12 days. I used feeder goldies for the first 6 days and had nothing. Someone suggested I try Stability and shock horror it worked. Maybe it was just a fluke...on 3 tanks.
Anywho we could rave on for days about this. The fact of the matter is, is that there are many products out there for aquariums. Personally I think that we should listen and respect everyone's opinion without shutting down there voice without reason. If something worked for me but didn't work for someone else doesn't mean I have the right to tell the other person a product is useless.
Jeff I'm happy your tank cycled

jeffm1000 · 10-21-2006, 06:11 PM

Thank you Moses, the fish are happy too!

jeffm1000 · 10-21-2006, 06:50 PM

Mom - are you saying that my amonia should bottom out to zero in the next couple days? Since the nitrite is up does that mean bacteria is forming? If that's the case.... since they double in colony size every 16 hours then I should have enough to combat the amonia? Hopefully this is correct. At that point I will still test here and there and change water to drop nitrates.

Puffer Pita · 10-21-2006, 06:53 PM

The bacteria isn't forming, its there. You should have had ammonia readings before nitrite readings. Ammonia gets turned into nitrites, nitrites get turned into nitrates. When your ammonia and nitrite readings are zero and you are getting nitrate readings, your cycle is complete. When it finishes, if you want to add more fish, only add a couple at a time to prevent kicking up a mini-cycle.

jeffm1000 · 10-21-2006, 06:57 PM

Yes, the amonia is at .5 and the nitrite is about .25-.50. Were you saying the amonia and nitrite should drop in a few days? Sorry for my ignorance, I'm just trying to grasp this concept. I've done research but just want to make sure. Thank you for your help once again.

Puffer Pita · 10-21-2006, 07:12 PM

Yup, with Biospira, it should be complete in one or two days.

Humpy · 10-22-2006, 09:19 PM

SO what fish would be the best to use for the cycle? I have a 20g tank i need to establish and i would like some recommendations on which fish to stock it with to cycle it

Zoe · 10-22-2006, 09:25 PM

IMO, you would be better off simply not using fish to cycle your tank at all. Use bio-spira, and/or some gravel or filter media from an established tank.

Your cycle will complete much more quickly, and without harming any fish.

Puffer Pita · 10-23-2006, 07:58 AM

Or read up on doing a fishless cycle. Takes longer than Biospira or using established filter media, but is much more humane as it doesn't harm any fish.

dolifisis · 10-23-2006, 10:37 AM

I just finished a fishless cycle on a 12 gallon and it took exactly 3 weeks. The Gallonator was cycling at the same time however I'm not sure what size tank he was working with. Maybe he'll post an update

jeffm1000 · 10-23-2006, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boxermom

Or read up on doing a fishless cycle. Takes longer than Biospira or using established filter media, but is much more humane as it doesn't harm any fish.

+1

If I had to do it over I would have gone with fishless cycling with pure amonia. I lost a few fish during my cycle, hopefully they all make it through the rest of the cycle.

jeffm1000 · 10-23-2006, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Humpy

SO what fish would be the best to use for the cycle? I have a 20g tank i need to establish and i would like some recommendations on which fish to stock it with to cycle it

If you post where you are maybe someone can give you some already established filter media. If you are around NH, I'll be happy to give you some.

EDIT: I just noticed you have a 33 gallon tank. You can use media from that to start your next tank and save time and money.

10-20-2006, 11:12 AM	#23
Puffer Pita Puffer Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,677	You never answered my question (or else I missed it): Are there any plants in the tank? __________________ Tina Puffers: Auriglobus silus x2 Colomesus asellus x1 Tetraodon travancoricus x1 Tetraodon biocellatus x2 Tetraodon nigroviridis x1 Tetraodon baileyi x2 Tetraodon lineatus x1 Tetraodon palembangensis x1 The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way in which its animals are treated. - Mohandas Gandhi

10-21-2006, 07:38 AM	#26
Puffer Pita Puffer Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,677	Believe what you want. However, bottled products that sit on shelves do not contain live bacteria, and not the type that's needed for cycling. There are only two such products, one is BioSpira, the other is not readily available to consumers - its used in mass quantities for public aquariums and such and is extremely difficult to find. Neither cannot remain unrefrigerated for long. With both, you add once. __________________ Tina Puffers: Auriglobus silus x2 Colomesus asellus x1 Tetraodon travancoricus x1 Tetraodon biocellatus x2 Tetraodon nigroviridis x1 Tetraodon baileyi x2 Tetraodon lineatus x1 Tetraodon palembangensis x1 The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way in which its animals are treated. - Mohandas Gandhi

10-21-2006, 11:15 AM	#28
Puffer Pita Puffer Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,677	Your cycle should be complete within the next day or two. Its not exactly "instant" but close to it. __________________ Tina Puffers: Auriglobus silus x2 Colomesus asellus x1 Tetraodon travancoricus x1 Tetraodon biocellatus x2 Tetraodon nigroviridis x1 Tetraodon baileyi x2 Tetraodon lineatus x1 Tetraodon palembangensis x1 The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way in which its animals are treated. - Mohandas Gandhi

10-21-2006, 06:53 PM	#32
Puffer Pita Puffer Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,677	The bacteria isn't forming, its there. You should have had ammonia readings before nitrite readings. Ammonia gets turned into nitrites, nitrites get turned into nitrates. When your ammonia and nitrite readings are zero and you are getting nitrate readings, your cycle is complete. When it finishes, if you want to add more fish, only add a couple at a time to prevent kicking up a mini-cycle. __________________ Tina Puffers: Auriglobus silus x2 Colomesus asellus x1 Tetraodon travancoricus x1 Tetraodon biocellatus x2 Tetraodon nigroviridis x1 Tetraodon baileyi x2 Tetraodon lineatus x1 Tetraodon palembangensis x1 The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way in which its animals are treated. - Mohandas Gandhi

10-21-2006, 07:12 PM	#34
Puffer Pita Puffer Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,677	Yup, with Biospira, it should be complete in one or two days. __________________ Tina Puffers: Auriglobus silus x2 Colomesus asellus x1 Tetraodon travancoricus x1 Tetraodon biocellatus x2 Tetraodon nigroviridis x1 Tetraodon baileyi x2 Tetraodon lineatus x1 Tetraodon palembangensis x1 The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way in which its animals are treated. - Mohandas Gandhi

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10-19-2006, 11:20 AM	#21
jeffm1000 Fishy Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Age: 31 Posts: 28	Zoe, thanks for the help. I appreciate you and everyone trying to help solve this problem. Input is always welcome.

10-20-2006, 08:14 AM	#22
jeffm1000 Fishy Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Age: 31 Posts: 28	24 hours later, no change in parameters. I didn't think so but just want to point it out since it does say it works overnight.

10-21-2006, 02:46 AM	#24
Moses Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 43	I find it hard to believe that a highly respectable company such as Seachem offers a product for cycling with the 'incorrect live bacteria' in it... Stability™ is the culmination of nearly a decade of research and development and represents the current state of the art in natural biological management. I guess they lie

10-21-2006, 06:38 AM	#25
jeffm1000 Fishy Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Age: 31 Posts: 28	Tina - I overlooked your question, there are no live plants yet. When I get things stable I would like to add some. Moses - Don't believe everything you read. Does tooth whitening toothpaste really whiten your teeth? Does oxyclean really magically clean your clothes? The list goes on but my point is that some products simply don't work, however, they will stay on the shelf as long as consumers like us continue to purchase them. What makes sense to me is. Cycle is a shelf product requiring no refrigeration and has no expiration date yet is supposed to promote the growth of our bacteria that will begin to die without the correct environment? Just my opinion, I may be completely off.

10-21-2006, 09:03 AM	#27
jeffm1000 Fishy Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Age: 31 Posts: 28	Well, I'll be a SOB! I'm shocked, three weeks of cycling with fish and no nitrite. You all know I just added Bio Spira less than 48 hours ago and I now have a nitrite spike. Cycle didn't work for **** and Bio-Spira did the trick. Thanks for the tip everyone!

10-21-2006, 04:28 PM	#29
Moses Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 43	I believe what I see. I have used Stability to cycle 3 55 gal tanks at once testing each day and they cycled in 12 days. I used feeder goldies for the first 6 days and had nothing. Someone suggested I try Stability and shock horror it worked. Maybe it was just a fluke...on 3 tanks. Anywho we could rave on for days about this. The fact of the matter is, is that there are many products out there for aquariums. Personally I think that we should listen and respect everyone's opinion without shutting down there voice without reason. If something worked for me but didn't work for someone else doesn't mean I have the right to tell the other person a product is useless. Jeff I'm happy your tank cycled

10-21-2006, 06:11 PM	#30
jeffm1000 Fishy Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Age: 31 Posts: 28	Thank you Moses, the fish are happy too!

10-21-2006, 06:50 PM	#31
jeffm1000 Fishy Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Age: 31 Posts: 28	Mom - are you saying that my amonia should bottom out to zero in the next couple days? Since the nitrite is up does that mean bacteria is forming? If that's the case.... since they double in colony size every 16 hours then I should have enough to combat the amonia? Hopefully this is correct. At that point I will still test here and there and change water to drop nitrates.

10-21-2006, 06:57 PM	#33
jeffm1000 Fishy Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Age: 31 Posts: 28	Yes, the amonia is at .5 and the nitrite is about .25-.50. Were you saying the amonia and nitrite should drop in a few days? Sorry for my ignorance, I'm just trying to grasp this concept. I've done research but just want to make sure. Thank you for your help once again.

10-22-2006, 09:25 PM	#36
Zoe <·)))< Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Ottawa Age: 22 Posts: 1,030	IMO, you would be better off simply not using fish to cycle your tank at all. Use bio-spira, and/or some gravel or filter media from an established tank. Your cycle will complete much more quickly, and without harming any fish. __________________ 90g pltd: angelfish [black, leopard, platinum, silver zebra & gold vt] · glass catfish · harlequin rasbora · neon & rummy nosed tetra · sterpai & spotted cory · bristlenose pleco 28g pltd: scarlet badis · oto cats · bristlenose 16g pltd: flame & honey gourami · cherry barbs 8g (soon to be 18g): 15 lbs LR · 10 lbs LS · YSP · zoas · shrooms · flame & hammer corals · brittle star · scarlet & electric blue hermits · firefish

10-22-2006, 09:19 PM	#35
Humpy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 167	SO what fish would be the best to use for the cycle? I have a 20g tank i need to establish and i would like some recommendations on which fish to stock it with to cycle it

10-23-2006, 07:58 AM	#37
Puffer Pita Puffer Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,677	Or read up on doing a fishless cycle. Takes longer than Biospira or using established filter media, but is much more humane as it doesn't harm any fish. __________________ Tina Puffers: Auriglobus silus x2 Colomesus asellus x1 Tetraodon travancoricus x1 Tetraodon biocellatus x2 Tetraodon nigroviridis x1 Tetraodon baileyi x2 Tetraodon lineatus x1 Tetraodon palembangensis x1 The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way in which its animals are treated. - Mohandas Gandhi

10-23-2006, 10:37 AM	#38
dolifisis Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Georgia Posts: 162	I just finished a fishless cycle on a 12 gallon and it took exactly 3 weeks. The Gallonator was cycling at the same time however I'm not sure what size tank he was working with. Maybe he'll post an update __________________ __________________ Doli Eclipse Corner5 False Julii Juvies Eclipse12 5 Ottos 3 White Cloud Mountain Minnows 7 False Julii Cory Cats Blue Apple Snail Live Plants

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