Need answer quick! Fish laying on gravel barely moving!

Knight~Ryder · 03-09-2008, 09:18 PM

Well I lifted up the log and the danio is still there, hardly moving at all. It moved a tad when I lifted the log, probably very surprised, but now is not moving at all, only very very little when I put my net down there.

I think it's almost dead, should I end it's suffering. This was the danio that was pregnant and now is like this.

Knight~Ryder · 03-09-2008, 09:48 PM

Okay, I noticed something, I kept moving it with the net and it started to swim upwards..

I noticed that it has one fin almost gone, and the tail was all torn up! What on earth happened?

It fell to the gravel again and hit her head. Should I take her out of her misery?

karazy · 03-09-2008, 09:57 PM

i dont know much about things like that, but if his tail is ripped he probably got bullied. if youhave a net trp or sumthing like that u could puthim in there

Knight~Ryder · 03-09-2008, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by karazy

i dont know much about things like that, but if his tail is ripped he probably got bullied. if youhave a net trp or sumthing like that u could puthim in there

I examined her good. Her whole right fin was gone and her whole tail fin was gone. She was almost dead. I took her out of her misery.

Okay if she was bullied, why was she bullied now, and by what species?

That's one rainbow fish dead, and one danio now. I am beginning to understand this whole community thing now. It's not as easy as some people make it out to be.

CarterNichols · 03-09-2008, 10:29 PM

could quite possibly be fin rot. or the tetras might have nibbled at the fins but i doubt that would cause the sickly behavior.

boulie · 03-10-2008, 04:50 AM

Well the other fish could had nipped it off, because when they see other fish ill they will start to attack it and nip it apart.

Knight~Ryder · 03-10-2008, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by CarterNichols

could quite possibly be fin rot. or the tetras might have nibbled at the fins but i doubt that would cause the sickly behavior.

Strange how it would happen now of all times, when she was in there for awhile already. Maybe it happened when they were sleeping?

Does fin rot occur when the water conditions are bad?

Ricker · 03-10-2008, 09:35 AM

Not sureabout fin rot. But my red platy had the same thing his whole bag fin was torn off. For a week he was at the bottom would only eat when the food fell to him. After the week I noticed his fin was growing back now he has made a full recovery and is happy .

emc7 · 03-10-2008, 09:54 AM

Fin and tail rot is a disease, so like most diseases strikes when conditions are bad or fish are stressed. Any new fish that could have been carriers? Low pH can also erode fins. But once a fish is down, boulie is right, even 'peaceful community fish' may join in the nipping. Watch carefully the tails of the rest of the fish in the tank. One ragged tail is nipping, everybody with ragged fins is disease.

**JustOneMore20** · 03-10-2008, 12:24 PM

Black Skirt tetras are known to be nippy. You only have 3, so the aggression isn't spread out like it would be with a larger school.

But, it could also be fin and tail rot like stated above......actually nipping from other fish can lead to fin and tail rot so it could even be a combo.

Have you checked ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate lately? Just wondering what they are running. If there was something wrong with your water I'd expect the Otos and/or Rummies to go first, so that is most likely not the problem.

Kribensis12 · 03-10-2008, 03:17 PM

I;d blame it one the Black Skirts. Mine were absolute devils. Tehy almost killed my 2 baby 4 inch angels a while ago. So i seperated the angels adn sold the black skirts.

elvis332 · 03-10-2008, 04:12 PM

it may had matting and it could be breeding

elvis332 · 03-10-2008, 04:19 PM

i have two danios and they are very active!!!

Knight~Ryder · 03-10-2008, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JustOneMore20

Black Skirt tetras are known to be nippy. You only have 3, so the aggression isn't spread out like it would be with a larger school.

But, it could also be fin and tail rot like stated above......actually nipping from other fish can lead to fin and tail rot so it could even be a combo.

Have you checked ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate lately? Just wondering what they are running. If there was something wrong with your water I'd expect the Otos and/or Rummies to go first, so that is most likely not the problem.

I don't believe it was the tetras, like you said I only have 3. They nip every once in awhile, but not to the extreme. It must have happened fast because she was fine for the whole time being in there, and then boom, she is hiding and all gibbled.

I wonder if the other zebra danio did it to her. He always chased her around for the first bit...then again, the rainbow died too?

Water levels were fine when I checked them before I did a 15g water change. Everything was 0.1 or 0 so I'm stumped as usual.

CarterNichols · 03-10-2008, 09:53 PM

my tetras nip.. but usually if they nip they won't destroy the whole fin because the fish being nipped defends itself thats why i suggested fin rot, check your parameters and let us know.

and yes, it can happen at anytime.

03-09-2008, 09:18 PM	#1
Knight~Ryder Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Age: 26 Posts: 192	Need answer quick! Fish laying on gravel barely moving! Well I lifted up the log and the danio is still there, hardly moving at all. It moved a tad when I lifted the log, probably very surprised, but now is not moving at all, only very very little when I put my net down there. I think it's almost dead, should I end it's suffering. This was the danio that was pregnant and now is like this. __________________ -Activated my first freshwater tank Nov 25/07 -Emperor 280 biowheel filter -Visi-Therm 100 Watt Heater -Whisper 60 Air Pump (Tetra) 38G/144.4L {Size 36 x 13 x 20} 9 Cherry Barbs (6 Female, 3 Male) 6 Cardinal Tetra 5 Rummy Nose Tetra 3 Black Skirt Tetra 2 Head and Tail Tetra 2 Otocinclus Affinis suckermouth

03-09-2008, 09:48 PM	#2
Knight~Ryder Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Age: 26 Posts: 192	Okay, I noticed something, I kept moving it with the net and it started to swim upwards.. I noticed that it has one fin almost gone, and the tail was all torn up! What on earth happened? It fell to the gravel again and hit her head. Should I take her out of her misery? __________________ -Activated my first freshwater tank Nov 25/07 -Emperor 280 biowheel filter -Visi-Therm 100 Watt Heater -Whisper 60 Air Pump (Tetra) 38G/144.4L {Size 36 x 13 x 20} 9 Cherry Barbs (6 Female, 3 Male) 6 Cardinal Tetra 5 Rummy Nose Tetra 3 Black Skirt Tetra 2 Head and Tail Tetra 2 Otocinclus Affinis suckermouth

03-09-2008, 09:57 PM	#3
karazy bammin like salmon Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 563	i dont know much about things like that, but if his tail is ripped he probably got bullied. if youhave a net trp or sumthing like that u could puthim in there __________________

03-09-2008, 10:29 PM	#5
CarterNichols Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Age: 18 Posts: 109	could quite possibly be fin rot. or the tetras might have nibbled at the fins but i doubt that would cause the sickly behavior. __________________ Freshwater. 4 SunBurst Platties.2 Neon Tetras.2 ghost shrimp.2 snails Saltwater. 2 Ocellaris Clown Fish.Coral Banded Shrimp.2 hermits.

03-10-2008, 12:24 PM	#10
JustOneMore20 Moderator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Alabama, US Age: 22 Posts: 3,490	Black Skirt tetras are known to be nippy. You only have 3, so the aggression isn't spread out like it would be with a larger school. But, it could also be fin and tail rot like stated above......actually nipping from other fish can lead to fin and tail rot so it could even be a combo. Have you checked ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate lately? Just wondering what they are running. If there was something wrong with your water I'd expect the Otos and/or Rummies to go first, so that is most likely not the problem. __________________ *Kristin* 5 Planted tanks: 55g, 40g, 29g, 10g, 5.5g 10g N. multifasciatus tank, 5.5g Platy fry

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03-10-2008, 04:50 AM	#6
boulie Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Age: 22 Posts: 48	Well the other fish could had nipped it off, because when they see other fish ill they will start to attack it and nip it apart.

03-10-2008, 09:35 AM	#8
Ricker Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Age: 19 Posts: 514	Not sureabout fin rot. But my red platy had the same thing his whole bag fin was torn off. For a week he was at the bottom would only eat when the food fell to him. After the week I noticed his fin was growing back now he has made a full recovery and is happy .

03-10-2008, 09:54 AM	#9
emc7 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Age: 39 Posts: 2,902	Fin and tail rot is a disease, so like most diseases strikes when conditions are bad or fish are stressed. Any new fish that could have been carriers? Low pH can also erode fins. But once a fish is down, boulie is right, even 'peaceful community fish' may join in the nipping. Watch carefully the tails of the rest of the fish in the tank. One ragged tail is nipping, everybody with ragged fins is disease.

03-10-2008, 03:17 PM	#11
Kribensis12 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Age: 15 Posts: 109	I;d blame it one the Black Skirts. Mine were absolute devils. Tehy almost killed my 2 baby 4 inch angels a while ago. So i seperated the angels adn sold the black skirts. __________________ My tank's: 30g tank: 1 angelfish 1 Fancy Guppies 2 Zebra Danio's 2 Black Mollies 2 Dalmation Mollies 3 platies ( 5 baby green sailfin mollies and 2 guppies in a breeder, being feed BBS daily) 20g Flat Hexagon 1 baby guppy 1 baby swordtail 1 Baby half black striped angelfish( 4 inches tall) 10g: 1 baby half black striped angelfish( 4 inches tall) 1 baby mickey mouse swordtail several baby guppies 1 baby mollie

03-10-2008, 04:12 PM	#12
elvis332 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 192	it may had matting and it could be breeding

03-10-2008, 04:19 PM	#13
elvis332 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 192	i have two danios and they are very active!!!

03-10-2008, 09:53 PM	#15
CarterNichols Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Age: 18 Posts: 109	my tetras nip.. but usually if they nip they won't destroy the whole fin because the fish being nipped defends itself thats why i suggested fin rot, check your parameters and let us know. and yes, it can happen at anytime. __________________ Freshwater. 4 SunBurst Platties.2 Neon Tetras.2 ghost shrimp.2 snails Saltwater. 2 Ocellaris Clown Fish.Coral Banded Shrimp.2 hermits.

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