Information for Beginners & Returnees

lochness · 01-11-2006, 05:23 PM

I found this at http://www.aquatics-warehouse.co.uk/
and thought it would be a great introduction as many of these questions are asked in the beginner's section.

[NOTE: Although we are appreciative of the original author's expertise, this information has been modified and will continue to be altered at the discretion of this thread's poster to update and correct the *Golden Rules* of Fishkeeping as we deem appropriate.]
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In a new tank the good beneficial bacteria which is responsible for the biological filtering of fish daily waste takes about 4 weeks to mature. This can be sped up by adding a maturing agent to your tank.

When it comes to stocking a new tank with fish you should only put in a few fish to start off with and then build the stocks up gradually over the next month or two. This is to let the tank mature slowly and to stop the nitrites going very high too soon.

When it comes to putting new gravel, rocks or bogwood into the aquarium make sure that you give them a good washing first of all. To wash gravel put a small quantity of it into a clean bucket and then fill this with cold water. You should now swill the gravel around releasing the dirt from the gravel into the water. This dirty water should be poured away and then swill the gravel again in the same way until the water is clear. Rocks need to be soaked in hot or preferably boiling water for about an hour. To clean bogwood you should soak it in a bucket of boiling water over night, and for several nights afterwords. This will make the water brown in colour as it removes the stain from the bogwood. It should be soaked in fresh clean boiling water until the water is clear or at least less brown.

Never use a bucket that has had chemicals like bleach, soap etc. in it as this will harm your fish. It is best to buy a new bucket and use it just for the fish tank, maybe even write on it "Fish tank" to avoid any accidental usage.

Never put shells, corals or anything off the beach into your coldwater or tropical aquarium as this will cause problems in the future.

Once a week you should do a 20%-30% water change, this stops the potential build up of fish waste from getting too high. If your tank is *overstocked*, then a larger water change weekly may be necessary. Some change the water more often and others do it every 2 weeks - weekly is good to maintain some form of stability and yet keep the ammonia to 0 as much as possible - of course every tank is different so to find out what's best for yours, test your water regularly a couple of hours after a water change and gage the numbers -- and then alter your water changing regime accordingly. When replacing this water you need to treat it before putting it back into your tank with a water conditioner as these remove the chlorine and the bad metal ions from the water. Remember to get the temperature of the water you are using to roughly the same as the tank.

The ideal tank temperature for tropical fish is 75 - 82 F ( 24 - 28 C)

If you should have to strip the tank fully then always try and keep some of the mature substrate in the same aquarium water. This will give it a good start when setting it back up again and remember to unplug the heater/stat for 5 minutes to let it cool down before you remove the water.

You should feed your fish sparingly twice a day, if any of the flake food sinks to the bottom then you have over fed and this can lead to cloudy tanks and poor water quality. Never crush the food as even a neon can eat a flake as its like tissue paper and folds up in its mouth. By crushing the flake it makes it very bitty and this tends to make it sink almost straight away again clouding the water after a while. If your tank is less than a month old then you should only feed once a day until it matures, which takes a month.

If your water goes cloudy then it is nearly always due to over feeding, so carry out a quarter water change and then add a product to help clear the water and from then on cut down on the food as overfeeding is the most common problem in this hobby.

Should you suffer from algae in your tank then this can be cured by cutting down the number of hours that you have your light on and also by adding an algae control product.

To grow plants successfully they need about 8 - 12 hours a day of light. Its a case of getting a happy balance where your plants grow well and the algae doesn't ! If the plants still are not growing as well as you would like them then it might be time for a new light tube as after 12 - 18 months the strength of the light given off by the tube decreases. Adding a reflector to the light doubles the brightness and you will see a tremendous difference. You might want to replace your light with a brighter one to help with plant growth.

You should be testing the water from your tank every week for best results as the water in a fishes life is the most important thing (other than the temperature in a tropical tank). You should be testing for a few things: Ph, Nitrites, Ammonia and Nitrates. These important water qualities keep the fish in tip top health and prevent the fish being stressed which would normally lead to poor health.

Here's a little about the Ph scale which is measured from 1 - 14.

1 <-------ACID-------> 6.9
7.0 (Neutral)
7.1 <-------ALKALINE-------> 14

Check your fish's profiles to determine what Ph is ideal for the species.

When cleaning internal or external filters it's best to use water from the tank to wash out the media as using hot water or even cold tap water (full of chlorine) can kill the good beneficial bacteria which is responsible for keeping your tank biologically clean.

When you have purchased your fish you need to introduce them into your tank slowly and carefully. This is best done by utilizing a bucket whose purpose is for aquarium use only. Fill this bucket halfway with aquarium water (using a small airstone and submersible heater in the bucket would be wise as well to minimise the stress on the new fish when it is introduced to the tank). You may float the bag, unopened, for 10 minutes in the bucket as this allows the temperature of the water in the bag to equalize to the temperature in the tank. Then dip a little water from your bucket into the bag a little bit at a time for about an hour so that the new fish can best acclimitise. When you are ready, feed the fish in your tank as you normally would. Then, using a plastic container similar to that in use at pet stores (or a small breeder container) and slowly capture your fish and gently place it into your tank. Care should be taken with the entire bag of a new purchase - outside, inside (water), the fish itself and the established aquarium and its inhabitants. The true origin and travails of the newly purchased fish is unknown, so it wouldn't be wise to subject an environment in which is controlled and kept as well-maintained as possible to the unknown. There are *Golden Rules* in the sense that they have been tested and tried and shown to be the optimal methods - mostly taken from the experiences of Seasoned Hobbyists that suffered adverse reactions and results and shared them in the hopes that another Hobbyist doesn't have to endure the same trials and tribulations and heartache. These are not hard and fast rules so you may choose to not adhere to them, and that's all well and fine - but if a problem arises which could have been avoided, there may be losses of time, money and sadly, the loss of life of your fish.

You should always check the forums and other fish resources when choosing fish to put in your tank to see if they are compatible with what you have in your tank already and for the estimated size the fish will be once it matures.

**TheOldSalt** · 01-15-2006, 11:00 AM

Well, like most of these info-lists, some of the info is good and some is junk.
Overall, it's one of the better ones I've seen, and I thank you for posting it!

This should provide fodder aplenty for a nice lively discussion as we try to separate the wheat from the chaff. Come on, fishfolks, lets have some fun with it! What do you agree with, and what do you think is wrong?

ron v · 01-15-2006, 11:45 AM

[quote=lochness]I found this at http://www.aquatics-warehouse.co.uk/
and thought it would be a great introduction as many of these questions are asked in the beginner's section.
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, this is best done by floating the bag for 15 minutes before letting them out.

......This is the old way. New evidence indicates floating a bag is not the best way.

Every 4 - 6 weeks you should do a quarter water change,

....not often enough.

If you should have to strip the tank fully then always try and keep some of the good mature water.

.....The water does no good.

kristian18f · 01-15-2006, 11:56 AM

Most of the info is great, most people say not to use any products though as it does no good in the long run.

Eolith · 01-15-2006, 03:18 PM

Alright, since I am a beginner, what is the correct info?

lochness · 01-16-2006, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOldSalt

Well, like most of these info-lists, some of the info is good and some is junk.
Overall, it's one of the better ones I've seen, and I thank you for posting it!

This should provide fodder aplenty for a nice lively discussion as we try to separate the wheat from the chaff. Come on, fishfolks, lets have some fun with it! What do you agree with, and what do you think is wrong?

hehe agreed and this is with the fact that i took the liberty of changing it a bit - i will actually edit it as people keep adding their input so that we hve a better guideline.

lochness · 01-16-2006, 01:12 PM

[quote=ron v]

Quote:

Originally Posted by lochness

I found this at http://www.aquatics-warehouse.co.uk/
and thought it would be a great introduction as many of these questions are asked in the beginner's section.
**************************************

[b][font=Arial][size=3]

, this is best done by floating the bag for 15 minutes before letting them out.

......This is the old way. New evidence indicates floating a bag is not the best way.

Every 4 - 6 weeks you should do a quarter water change,

....not often enough.

If you should have to strip the tank fully then always try and keep some of the good mature water.

.....The water does no good.

what new evidence ron v - please be specific so i can make corrections and additions as needed

lochness · 01-16-2006, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eolith

Alright, since I am a beginner, what is the correct info?

the post is generally correct and can safely be followed Eo - I will, however, be making slight modifications to it as the other knowledgeable people add to the thread (as i have already done), but the overall info on the post is correct and good to follow

ron v · 01-16-2006, 01:16 PM

Lochness, I just started a new thread about this. Check it out. I anticipate some discussion on this topic!!!

lochness · 01-16-2006, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ron v

Lochness, I just started a new thread about this. Check it out. I anticipate some discussion on this topic!!!

k - i've used a little bit of my own and simpte's methods to modify the orig post - thnx

ron v · 01-16-2006, 02:11 PM

Let's wait before we modify. Let's have some more discussion before we decide what's best to do.

lochness · 01-16-2006, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ron v

Let's wait before we modify. Let's have some more discussion before we decide what's best to do.

well i disagreed with the orig link anyhow and your question and simpte's reply made me rethink the wording - as more add to the threads, I will keep modifying - it's easier for me that way.

lochness · 01-17-2006, 12:40 PM

the post has been modified

BlueMaxx · 01-17-2006, 01:17 PM

Ok ok I have a question, what happend to jsut float the bag and dump the fish in.
Why does that work and why doesn't it.
i want another betta, I will clean the freak'n tank so well that you can eat off it. I will put the water in (might even let it sit for one week to detox itself) add fish and be done.

Now can that actually work or do i have to add all this crap still add this take this water out then add this in blah blah. Geezsh what happend to the good old days. buy and dump fish in.

lochness · 01-17-2006, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueMaxx

Ok ok I have a question, what happend to jsut float the bag and dump the fish in.
Why does that work and why doesn't it.
i want another betta, I will clean the freak'n tank so well that you can eat off it. I will put the water in (might even let it sit for one week to detox itself) add fish and be done.

Now can that actually work or do i have to add all this crap still add this take this water out then add this in blah blah. Geezsh what happend to the good old days. buy and dump fish in.

These are based on 100 yrs of *the good old days* of fishkeeping

you may prefer the thread ron v started entitled *something to think about*

again, as stated above clearly, these are not hard fast rules, these are suggestions and advice from ichthyologists and laypeople from years of experience and scientific testings.

the bottom line is, you may take it or leave it, but it's here when you need it.

BlueMaxx · 01-17-2006, 02:53 PM

Thanks Lochness
I so want my next fishie to live a long happy healthy life.
I love this board it'a great and the info is wonder. I saw some awsome bettas at this LFS by my house and I was soo temped to get one, I am not ready yet I don't want to get one and have it kick on me. So i will let it rest for a while.

So can I fill my tank and let it sit for a week and then add my new one?

lochness · 01-17-2006, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueMaxx

Thanks Lochness
I so want my next fishie to live a long happy healthy life.
I love this board it'a great and the info is wonder. I saw some awsome bettas at this LFS by my house and I was soo temped to get one, I am not ready yet I don't want to get one and have it kick on me. So i will let it rest for a while.

So can I fill my tank and let it sit for a week and then add my new one?

Fishforums has a section dedicated to Bettas that you will find useful:

http://www.fishforums.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=20

standing water usually dechlorinates after about 3-4 days.

that being said, it is best to keep a Betta in a tank that contains filtration and a heater

tho i gave my 14 yr old niece a betta for her birthday a few yrs ago despite her mom's protests due to the small apt they lived in- the betta was housed in a small tank whose only source of heat was the incandescent bulb in the hood, had some gravel and 2 plants - but i did make her change 10% of the water every 3 days using a dechlorinator (with her best attempts of temperature guesses) and the betta had beautiful colors, was active, never got sick and enjoyed a 3 yr lifetime

BlueMaxx · 01-17-2006, 04:45 PM

wow great good for her to keep it that long.
Been to that place done that place.

lochness · 01-17-2006, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueMaxx

wow great good for her to keep it that long.
Been to that place done that place.

yeah i had more confidence in her than her mom did hehe -- i forgot to note that i had gotten an already mature male betta so it might have been 4 yrs old in reality.

ahh ok - there's always a betta section coverage in aquariumfish.com - they print great articles on them in AFM

lochness · 01-23-2006, 02:53 PM

welcome to fishforums.com!

01-11-2006, 05:23 PM	#1
lochness Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: USA Age: 39 Posts: 374 User Feedback: (0)	Information for Beginners & Returnees I found this at http://www.aquatics-warehouse.co.uk/ and thought it would be a great introduction as many of these questions are asked in the beginner's section. [NOTE: Although we are appreciative of the original author's expertise, this information has been modified and will continue to be altered at the discretion of this thread's poster to update and correct the Golden Rules of Fishkeeping as we deem appropriate.] ************************************** In a new tank the good beneficial bacteria which is responsible for the biological filtering of fish daily waste takes about 4 weeks to mature. This can be sped up by adding a maturing agent to your tank. When it comes to stocking a new tank with fish you should only put in a few fish to start off with and then build the stocks up gradually over the next month or two. This is to let the tank mature slowly and to stop the nitrites going very high too soon. When it comes to putting new gravel, rocks or bogwood into the aquarium make sure that you give them a good washing first of all. To wash gravel put a small quantity of it into a clean bucket and then fill this with cold water. You should now swill the gravel around releasing the dirt from the gravel into the water. This dirty water should be poured away and then swill the gravel again in the same way until the water is clear. Rocks need to be soaked in hot or preferably boiling water for about an hour. To clean bogwood you should soak it in a bucket of boiling water over night, and for several nights afterwords. This will make the water brown in colour as it removes the stain from the bogwood. It should be soaked in fresh clean boiling water until the water is clear or at least less brown. Never use a bucket that has had chemicals like bleach, soap etc. in it as this will harm your fish. It is best to buy a new bucket and use it just for the fish tank, maybe even write on it "Fish tank" to avoid any accidental usage. Never put shells, corals or anything off the beach into your coldwater or tropical aquarium as this will cause problems in the future. Once a week you should do a 20%-30% water change, this stops the potential build up of fish waste from getting too high. If your tank is overstocked, then a larger water change weekly may be necessary. Some change the water more often and others do it every 2 weeks - weekly is good to maintain some form of stability and yet keep the ammonia to 0 as much as possible - of course every tank is different so to find out what's best for yours, test your water regularly a couple of hours after a water change and gage the numbers -- and then alter your water changing regime accordingly. When replacing this water you need to treat it before putting it back into your tank with a water conditioner as these remove the chlorine and the bad metal ions from the water. Remember to get the temperature of the water you are using to roughly the same as the tank. The ideal tank temperature for tropical fish is 75 - 82 F ( 24 - 28 C) If you should have to strip the tank fully then always try and keep some of the mature substrate in the same aquarium water. This will give it a good start when setting it back up again and remember to unplug the heater/stat for 5 minutes to let it cool down before you remove the water. You should feed your fish sparingly twice a day, if any of the flake food sinks to the bottom then you have over fed and this can lead to cloudy tanks and poor water quality. Never crush the food as even a neon can eat a flake as its like tissue paper and folds up in its mouth. By crushing the flake it makes it very bitty and this tends to make it sink almost straight away again clouding the water after a while. If your tank is less than a month old then you should only feed once a day until it matures, which takes a month. If your water goes cloudy then it is nearly always due to over feeding, so carry out a quarter water change and then add a product to help clear the water and from then on cut down on the food as overfeeding is the most common problem in this hobby. Should you suffer from algae in your tank then this can be cured by cutting down the number of hours that you have your light on and also by adding an algae control product. To grow plants successfully they need about 8 - 12 hours a day of light. Its a case of getting a happy balance where your plants grow well and the algae doesn't ! If the plants still are not growing as well as you would like them then it might be time for a new light tube as after 12 - 18 months the strength of the light given off by the tube decreases. Adding a reflector to the light doubles the brightness and you will see a tremendous difference. You might want to replace your light with a brighter one to help with plant growth. You should be testing the water from your tank every week for best results as the water in a fishes life is the most important thing (other than the temperature in a tropical tank). You should be testing for a few things: Ph, Nitrites, Ammonia and Nitrates. These important water qualities keep the fish in tip top health and prevent the fish being stressed which would normally lead to poor health. Here's a little about the Ph scale which is measured from 1 - 14. 1 <-------ACID-------> 6.9 7.0 (Neutral) 7.1 <-------ALKALINE-------> 14 Check your fish's profiles to determine what Ph is ideal for the species. When cleaning internal or external filters it's best to use water from the tank to wash out the media as using hot water or even cold tap water (full of chlorine) can kill the good beneficial bacteria which is responsible for keeping your tank biologically clean. When you have purchased your fish you need to introduce them into your tank slowly and carefully. This is best done by utilizing a bucket whose purpose is for aquarium use only. Fill this bucket halfway with aquarium water (using a small airstone and submersible heater in the bucket would be wise as well to minimise the stress on the new fish when it is introduced to the tank). You may float the bag, unopened, for 10 minutes in the bucket as this allows the temperature of the water in the bag to equalize to the temperature in the tank. Then dip a little water from your bucket into the bag a little bit at a time for about an hour so that the new fish can best acclimitise. When you are ready, feed the fish in your tank as you normally would. Then, using a plastic container similar to that in use at pet stores (or a small breeder container) and slowly capture your fish and gently place it into your tank. Care should be taken with the entire bag of a new purchase - outside, inside (water), the fish itself and the established aquarium and its inhabitants. The true origin and travails of the newly purchased fish is unknown, so it wouldn't be wise to subject an environment in which is controlled and kept as well-maintained as possible to the unknown. There are Golden Rules in the sense that they have been tested and tried and shown to be the optimal methods - mostly taken from the experiences of Seasoned Hobbyists that suffered adverse reactions and results and shared them in the hopes that another Hobbyist doesn't have to endure the same trials and tribulations and heartache. These are not hard and fast rules so you may choose to not adhere to them, and that's all well and fine - but if a problem arises which could have been avoided, there may be losses of time, money and sadly, the loss of life of your fish. You should always check the forums and other fish resources when choosing fish to put in your tank to see if they are compatible with what you have in your tank already and for the estimated size the fish will be once it matures. Last edited by lochness; 01-23-2006 at 05:56 PM.

01-15-2006, 11:56 AM	#4
kristian18f Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 331 User Feedback: (0)	Most of the info is great, most people say not to use any products though as it does no good in the long run. __________________ This whole fish thing started with ONE betta. http://www.neopets.com/refer.phtml?username=kristian18f

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lochness Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: USA Age: 39 Posts: 374 User Feedback: (0)	*updated* the post has been modified

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TheOldSalt Darth Ichthyos Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,058 User Feedback: (5)	Well, like most of these info-lists, some of the info is good and some is junk. Overall, it's one of the better ones I've seen, and I thank you for posting it! This should provide fodder aplenty for a nice lively discussion as we try to separate the wheat from the chaff. Come on, fishfolks, lets have some fun with it! What do you agree with, and what do you think is wrong?

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ron v Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Alabama Age: 61 Posts: 1,123 User Feedback: (3)	[quote=lochness]I found this at http://www.aquatics-warehouse.co.uk/ and thought it would be a great introduction as many of these questions are asked in the beginner's section. ************************************** [b][font=Arial][size=3] , this is best done by floating the bag for 15 minutes before letting them out. ......This is the old way. New evidence indicates floating a bag is not the best way. Every 4 - 6 weeks you should do a quarter water change, ....not often enough. If you should have to strip the tank fully then always try and keep some of the good mature water. .....The water does no good.

01-15-2006, 03:18 PM	#5
Eolith Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Seattle, Washington Posts: 8 User Feedback: (0)	Alright, since I am a beginner, what is the correct info?

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ron v Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Alabama Age: 61 Posts: 1,123 User Feedback: (3)	Lochness, I just started a new thread about this. Check it out. I anticipate some discussion on this topic!!!

01-16-2006, 02:11 PM	#11
ron v Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Alabama Age: 61 Posts: 1,123 User Feedback: (3)	Let's wait before we modify. Let's have some more discussion before we decide what's best to do.

01-17-2006, 01:17 PM	#14
BlueMaxx Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: California, Sillycon valley Age: 40 Posts: 194 User Feedback: (0)	Ok ok I have a question, what happend to jsut float the bag and dump the fish in. Why does that work and why doesn't it. i want another betta, I will clean the freak'n tank so well that you can eat off it. I will put the water in (might even let it sit for one week to detox itself) add fish and be done. Now can that actually work or do i have to add all this crap still add this take this water out then add this in blah blah. Geezsh what happend to the good old days. buy and dump fish in.

01-17-2006, 02:53 PM	#16
BlueMaxx Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: California, Sillycon valley Age: 40 Posts: 194 User Feedback: (0)	Thanks Lochness I so want my next fishie to live a long happy healthy life. I love this board it'a great and the info is wonder. I saw some awsome bettas at this LFS by my house and I was soo temped to get one, I am not ready yet I don't want to get one and have it kick on me. So i will let it rest for a while. So can I fill my tank and let it sit for a week and then add my new one?

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