50G equipment & livestock

Ice · 11-15-2006, 10:28 PM

I'd like to hear some input on equipment for the 50 gallon Show Tank I might be getting.

Lighting : Can I still use a 36" Orbit PowerCompact lighting fixture ? Or should I get the 30 inch Orbit PowerCompact ? I can't afford the MH light fixture at this time. (Beginner Coral will be added first before any fish is added.)

Coralife Super Skimmer (up to 65 gallons model)
I did see a SeaCLone brand venturi Skimmer for up to 100 gallons at PetSmart for $99.99. Input on that brand please.

2 SEIO Powerhead /Pump m620 or m820 ? Please advise Reefneck.

How many wattage heaters will I need ? I want to put 2 in it. What brand is good ? I'm thinking Vis-Therm Stealth heaters.

Will I need a Calcium reactor and/or UV Sterilizers with a 50 gallon tank set=up?

Live Rock - about 45 lbs - 50 lbs ?
Sand - how many pounds ? tank dimension is (in inches) : 30L x 21H x 18D

Livestock :

Ocellaris Clownfish (tank-raised) x 2

B&W Clownfish (tank-raised) x 2
***PLEASE ADVISE if I can have 2 more clowns in 50 gal. tank ***

Coral Beauty Angelfish OR Flame Angelfish (1)
Yellow Tang (1) OR some other good Tang for a beginner
Clown Goby (1) OR Royal Gramma (1)
Jeweled Blenny (1)
Mated pair Coral Banded Shrimps (white or blue variety)
Usual tank cleaner pak for 50 gallon tank
Marble Sea Star or Double Sea Star (1 pending on my decision to add this to tank)

Corals :

Mushrooms, Polyps, Zoas, Xenias, maybe Candy Cane Coral or Fox Coral.
(These will be added first and settled in for a couple months or so before fish in introduced to tank.)

I'd like to hear some ideas or suggestions on anything above, especially on livestock if I have too many. Feel free to adjust, reduce or recommend livestock from list above what you would add to the tank.

guppy_breeder! · 11-15-2006, 10:47 PM

Sorry but the Tangs need a 75gal at least! minimum of a 65gal tank.
Clowns MAX of two per tank, and if added at the same time you will get a pair.

But the rest sounds good.

atnixon · 11-16-2006, 04:02 AM

i second the above about the tangs...Unless you want the tang police banging on your door...And i agree with the clowns, two per tank, pref a mated pair if possible, but if i had to choose between Ocellaris Clownfish and the Black and white's, i would have to go with Ocellaris Clownfish because i think they have a great personality and the colours really compliment a tank that has corals in...

Niko

Reefneck · 11-16-2006, 06:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ice

I'd like to hear some input on equipment for the 50 gallon Show Tank I might be getting.

Lighting : Can I still use a 36" Orbit PowerCompact lighting fixture ? Or should I get the 30 inch Orbit PowerCompact ? I can't afford the MH light fixture at this time. (Beginner Coral will be added first before any fish is added.) I'm not sure the length of a "50 Show" but if it's a 36" tank and a 36" fixture then it will work. if not, then you can use it but it will hang over both ends.

Coralife Super Skimmer (up to 65 gallons model)
I did see a SeaCLone brand venturi Skimmer for up to 100 gallons at PetSmart for $99.99. Input on that brand please. SeaClowns are complete garbage!

2 SEIO Powerhead /Pump m620 or m820 ? Please advise Reefneck. 2 620's!

How many wattage heaters will I need ? I want to put 2 in it. What brand is good ? I'm thinking Vis-Therm Stealth heaters. 2X150W Stealths are fine.

Will I need a Calcium reactor and/or UV Sterilizers with a 50 gallon tank set=up? UV only if NOT a reef! CR if you can afford it.

Live Rock - about 45 lbs - 50 lbs ? 50-75LBs
Sand - how many pounds ? 30LBstank dimension is (in inches) : 30L x 21H x 18D

Livestock :

Ocellaris Clownfish (tank-raised) x 2

B&W Clownfish (tank-raised) x 2
***PLEASE ADVISE if I can have 2 more clowns in 50 gal. tank *** You should stick to a single pair to avoid conflicts in such a small tank.

Coral Beauty Angelfish OR Flame Angelfish (1)
Yellow Tang (1) OR some other good Tang for a beginner No Tangs)
Clown Goby (1) OR Royal Gramma (1)
Jeweled Blenny (1)
Mated pair Coral Banded Shrimps (white or blue variety)Not good in a Reef.
Usual tank cleaner pak for 50 gallon tank
Marble Sea Star or Double Sea Star (1 pending on my decision to add this to tank)

Corals :

Mushrooms, Polyps, Zoas, Xenias, maybe Candy Cane Coral or Fox Coral.
(These will be added first and settled in for a couple months or so before fish in introduced to tank.)

I'd like to hear some ideas or suggestions on anything above, especially on livestock if I have too many. Feel free to adjust, reduce or recommend livestock from list above what you would add to the tank.

See above in blue.

vvolfe1 · 11-16-2006, 08:16 AM

Live Rock - about 45 lbs - 50 lbs ?
Sand - how many pounds ? tank dimension is (in inches) : 30L x 21H x 18D

I think they go with 1.25 -2 lbs per gallon for standard recs. depending on the type of rock. I have looked at around 30 tanks in the last couple months. I perfer the tanks that have more rock in them piled from side to side and to the top. It just seems like the difference between "yeah thats nice" to "WOW THATS COOL". Seems like the fuller tanks also have more hiding spots for fish to hide in and places for corals to grow on. I'd probably go a min of 75 pounds rock possibly 100 depending on the rock.

**Damon** · 11-16-2006, 08:20 AM

I stated this in your other post about tanks but a 65 gallon tank is 36 inches and has plenty of depth for liverock. Much better than a 50 gallon tank.

Ice · 11-16-2006, 08:49 AM

I'm sticking with a pair of O. clowns.
Seaclone skimmer I'm skipping on.
What is a Calcium Reactor used for ?
Why do you say mated pair of Coral Banded shrimps not good for reef ? Is it best to keep just one instead ?
Thanks for the replies. Keep'em coming if any have other ideas/suggestions/advices.

**Fishfirst** · 11-16-2006, 09:23 AM

I've never trusted coral bandeds in a reef with smaller fishes... although we had one in the big tank at work and he never bothered anything but bristleworms (which wasn't good).

Ice · 11-16-2006, 12:35 PM

So I'm assuming most of you prefer Peppermints or Cleaner shrimps or even the Fire Shrimps (Bloods).

guppy_breeder! · 11-16-2006, 08:32 PM

For stocking try to go with one dwarf angel, and a few smaller fish like basslets and clowns or even a goby or two!

Ice · 11-17-2006, 07:37 AM

I have planned going that direction. LOL !! See my list above except eliminate the tang.

Ice · 11-20-2006, 09:36 AM

As for the clownsfish choices, I think I'm going to go with (both tank-raised) the orange Ocellaris Clownfish and a B&W Ocellaris Clownfish. Of course, I will add them to the tank at the same time so there is now aggression with the two. Although I just might go with a pair of Onyx Clownfishes instead ! Wow ! So many choices in clownfishes ! LOL !!

**Fishfirst** · 11-20-2006, 09:47 AM

that would probably work...

CarterNichols · 03-03-2008, 08:47 PM

so what is the problem with coral banded shrimp in a tank?

Ice · 03-05-2008, 02:00 PM

LOL !! This is an old thread of mine. I am postponing starting my first SW tank indefinitely due to family & personal endeavors.

**TheOldSalt** · 03-06-2008, 01:42 AM

Coral bandeds, or "bandits," are cute and graceful, but they're also mean as all get out, and they don't play well with others.

11-15-2006, 10:28 PM	#1
Ice Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Age: 43 Posts: 502 User Feedback: (0)	50G equipment & livestock I'd like to hear some input on equipment for the 50 gallon Show Tank I might be getting. Lighting : Can I still use a 36" Orbit PowerCompact lighting fixture ? Or should I get the 30 inch Orbit PowerCompact ? I can't afford the MH light fixture at this time. (Beginner Coral will be added first before any fish is added.) Coralife Super Skimmer (up to 65 gallons model) I did see a SeaCLone brand venturi Skimmer for up to 100 gallons at PetSmart for $99.99. Input on that brand please. 2 SEIO Powerhead /Pump m620 or m820 ? Please advise Reefneck. How many wattage heaters will I need ? I want to put 2 in it. What brand is good ? I'm thinking Vis-Therm Stealth heaters. Will I need a Calcium reactor and/or UV Sterilizers with a 50 gallon tank set=up? Live Rock - about 45 lbs - 50 lbs ? Sand - how many pounds ? tank dimension is (in inches) : 30L x 21H x 18D Livestock : Ocellaris Clownfish (tank-raised) x 2 B&W Clownfish (tank-raised) x 2 *PLEASE ADVISE if I can have 2 more clowns in 50 gal. tank * Coral Beauty Angelfish OR Flame Angelfish (1) Yellow Tang (1) OR some other good Tang for a beginner Clown Goby (1) OR Royal Gramma (1) Jeweled Blenny (1) Mated pair Coral Banded Shrimps (white or blue variety) Usual tank cleaner pak for 50 gallon tank Marble Sea Star or Double Sea Star (1 pending on my decision to add this to tank) Corals : Mushrooms, Polyps, Zoas, Xenias, maybe Candy Cane Coral or Fox Coral. (These will be added first and settled in for a couple months or so before fish in introduced to tank.) I'd like to hear some ideas or suggestions on anything above, especially on livestock if I have too many. Feel free to adjust, reduce or recommend livestock from list above what you would add to the tank.

11-16-2006, 08:20 AM	#6
Damon Aquatic Naturalist Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dayton, Ohio Age: 32 Posts: 14,982 User Feedback: (0)	I stated this in your other post about tanks but a 65 gallon tank is 36 inches and has plenty of depth for liverock. Much better than a 50 gallon tank. __________________ For in much wisdom [is] much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow. Member of the AGA (Aquatic Gardner's Association) Member of the IBC (International Betta Congress)

11-16-2006, 09:23 AM	#8
Fishfirst Fish Guru Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Soon to be Northern Wisconsin Age: 24 Posts: 3,478 User Feedback: (1)	I've never trusted coral bandeds in a reef with smaller fishes... although we had one in the big tank at work and he never bothered anything but bristleworms (which wasn't good). __________________ 210 Gal Reef w/ 55 Gallon Sump/Fuge, 125 Gal Fish Only, 65 Gal Seahorse-29 Gallon Sump, 55 Gal FOWLR, 54 Gal Corner FW Community, 20 Gal Nano FOWLR, 55 Gal Piranha, 29 gallon QT "All the yellow tangs and clownfish in the world can't save you now! hahahah" Peter from Family Guy

11-20-2006, 09:47 AM	#13
Fishfirst Fish Guru Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Soon to be Northern Wisconsin Age: 24 Posts: 3,478 User Feedback: (1)	that would probably work... __________________ 210 Gal Reef w/ 55 Gallon Sump/Fuge, 125 Gal Fish Only, 65 Gal Seahorse-29 Gallon Sump, 55 Gal FOWLR, 54 Gal Corner FW Community, 20 Gal Nano FOWLR, 55 Gal Piranha, 29 gallon QT "All the yellow tangs and clownfish in the world can't save you now! hahahah" Peter from Family Guy

03-03-2008, 08:47 PM	#14
CarterNichols Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Age: 18 Posts: 109 User Feedback: (0)	so what is the problem with coral banded shrimp in a tank? __________________ Freshwater. 4 SunBurst Platties.2 Neon Tetras.2 ghost shrimp.2 snails Saltwater. 2 Ocellaris Clown Fish.Coral Banded Shrimp.2 hermits.

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11-15-2006, 10:47 PM	#2
guppy_breeder! Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 7 User Feedback: (0)	Sorry but the Tangs need a 75gal at least! minimum of a 65gal tank. Clowns MAX of two per tank, and if added at the same time you will get a pair. But the rest sounds good.

11-16-2006, 04:02 AM	#3
atnixon Fishy Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Staffordshire UK Age: 34 Posts: 24 User Feedback: (0)	i second the above about the tangs...Unless you want the tang police banging on your door...And i agree with the clowns, two per tank, pref a mated pair if possible, but if i had to choose between Ocellaris Clownfish and the Black and white's, i would have to go with Ocellaris Clownfish because i think they have a great personality and the colours really compliment a tank that has corals in... Niko

11-16-2006, 08:16 AM	#5
vvolfe1 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Age: 38 Posts: 126 User Feedback: (0)	Live Rock - about 45 lbs - 50 lbs ? Sand - how many pounds ? tank dimension is (in inches) : 30L x 21H x 18D I think they go with 1.25 -2 lbs per gallon for standard recs. depending on the type of rock. I have looked at around 30 tanks in the last couple months. I perfer the tanks that have more rock in them piled from side to side and to the top. It just seems like the difference between "yeah thats nice" to "WOW THATS COOL". Seems like the fuller tanks also have more hiding spots for fish to hide in and places for corals to grow on. I'd probably go a min of 75 pounds rock possibly 100 depending on the rock.

11-16-2006, 08:49 AM	#7
Ice Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Age: 43 Posts: 502 User Feedback: (0)	I'm sticking with a pair of O. clowns. Seaclone skimmer I'm skipping on. What is a Calcium Reactor used for ? Why do you say mated pair of Coral Banded shrimps not good for reef ? Is it best to keep just one instead ? Thanks for the replies. Keep'em coming if any have other ideas/suggestions/advices.

11-16-2006, 12:35 PM	#9
Ice Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Age: 43 Posts: 502 User Feedback: (0)	So I'm assuming most of you prefer Peppermints or Cleaner shrimps or even the Fire Shrimps (Bloods).

11-16-2006, 08:32 PM	#10
guppy_breeder! Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 7 User Feedback: (0)	For stocking try to go with one dwarf angel, and a few smaller fish like basslets and clowns or even a goby or two!

11-17-2006, 07:37 AM	#11
Ice Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Age: 43 Posts: 502 User Feedback: (0)	I have planned going that direction. LOL !! See my list above except eliminate the tang.

11-20-2006, 09:36 AM	#12
Ice Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Age: 43 Posts: 502 User Feedback: (0)	As for the clownsfish choices, I think I'm going to go with (both tank-raised) the orange Ocellaris Clownfish and a B&W Ocellaris Clownfish. Of course, I will add them to the tank at the same time so there is now aggression with the two. Although I just might go with a pair of Onyx Clownfishes instead ! Wow ! So many choices in clownfishes ! LOL !!

03-05-2008, 02:00 PM	#15
Ice Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Age: 43 Posts: 502 User Feedback: (0)	LOL !! This is an old thread of mine. I am postponing starting my first SW tank indefinitely due to family & personal endeavors.

03-06-2008, 01:42 AM	#16
TheOldSalt Darth Ichthyos Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,005 User Feedback: (5)	Coral bandeds, or "bandits," are cute and graceful, but they're also mean as all get out, and they don't play well with others.

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