a few questions

bobberz87 · 01-09-2007, 08:13 PM

Yes I have a few questions and was wondering if anyone could help me out.

1 I was wondering what is the best way to cycle a fish only or reefless tank?

2Also, I was wondering the lighting required for live rock?

3 what is the difference between cured and uncured live rock?
thanks alot,
bob

Ice · 01-09-2007, 09:53 PM

Although your first question is confusing with your 2nd question. Are you going with Fish Only set-up or Fish Only With Live Rock set-up ?

Bump on question #1 - can ya answer this one for him guys ?

#2 - type of lighting is not a factor in cycling live rock.

#3 - Uncured live rock is rock that is shipped with alot of die-offs from transport. They have to be cured at your home for 3 weeks or so to rid of the die-offs before putting into your DT.

Cured live rock is rock that is cured but but not completely.You will need to cure it more but curing time quicker. Unless you get FULLY cured rock from your lfs, they can be added to your DT right away and cycle from there.

bobberz87 · 01-09-2007, 10:23 PM

sorry that I didnt specify, I plan on doing a reef, but my friend is setting up a reefless tank and asked me to ask.
So you dont need any special lighting for live rock? if you did have like rock would they benefit from like compact lighting or high Intensity?

**Damon** · 01-10-2007, 07:03 AM

The best way to cycle a tank with live rock is to put it in and make weekly waterchanges. Without liverock I'd use a piece of uncooked shrimp from your local grocery store.

fishfingers · 01-10-2007, 03:32 PM

The live rock itself won't need any lighting, however any corals or algaes on the live rock may die if adequate lighting isn't provided.

**TheOldSalt** · 01-10-2007, 03:34 PM

Yes, you need the same kind of lights for your liverock as you would need for corals, unless you have rock that is very plain and ugly, used only for filtration. Without such lighting, the liverock won't stay very lively for long, and it will become the ugly "base' rock.

Fishnewb1 · 01-10-2007, 06:04 PM

and only leave your lights on 8-10 hours a day even for the cycling process. I learned the hard way 14hours...

hair algae like no other...

bobberz87 · 01-10-2007, 07:22 PM

thanks alot guys, one more quick question, ive heard and read so much on the right salinity to run for fish and reef tanks anywhere from1.019 to 1.027 which is the best?

fishfingers · 01-11-2007, 04:44 AM

Opinions vary a lot, from my experience american's seem to prefer around 1.023-1.025 where in australia we seem to prefer 1.025-1.028. Most of my stock comes from the GBR which has a S.G of 1.027, so that's what I keep my tanks at. However for a reef tank IMO I would not suggest going lower than 1.024.

linda · 02-09-2007, 09:11 AM

hi i am cycling a tank at day 7 in the cycling process i added afew peices of live rock and a damsel however i already had ammonia my question is will this make the ammonia levels higher or will it be any6 difference in the long run?

**Fishfirst** · 02-09-2007, 10:09 AM

liverock will greatly speed up the cycle if it was cured properly and shipped properly... the damsel you could have just skipped on.

harif87 · 02-09-2007, 10:35 AM

To elaborate; if there was dieoff on the live rock, due to improper shipment or care, then youll have higher ammonia readings. On the other hand, if everything went smooth, then you shouldnt experience dieoff, hence no excess ammo, rather lower ammo

01-10-2007, 07:03 AM	#4
Damon Aquatic Naturalist Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dayton, Ohio Age: 32 Posts: 14,982	The best way to cycle a tank with live rock is to put it in and make weekly waterchanges. Without liverock I'd use a piece of uncooked shrimp from your local grocery store. __________________ For in much wisdom [is] much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow. Member of the AGA (Aquatic Gardner's Association) Member of the IBC (International Betta Congress)

01-10-2007, 06:04 PM	#7
Fishnewb1 Future Marine Biologist Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 394	and only leave your lights on 8-10 hours a day even for the cycling process. I learned the hard way 14hours... hair algae like no other... __________________ 55g Reef 16g of water.

02-09-2007, 10:09 AM	#11
Fishfirst Fish Guru Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Northern Wisconsin Age: 24 Posts: 3,546	liverock will greatly speed up the cycle if it was cured properly and shipped properly... the damsel you could have just skipped on. __________________ 210 Gal Reef w/ 55 Gallon Sump/Fuge, 125 Gal Fish Only, 65 Gal Seahorse-29 Gallon Sump, 55 Gal FOWLR, 54 Gal Corner FW Community, 20 Gal Nano FOWLR, 55 Gal Piranha, 29 gallon QT "All the yellow tangs and clownfish in the world can't save you now! hahahah" Peter from Family Guy

02-09-2007, 10:35 AM	#12
harif87 Minor Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Age: 21 Posts: 996	To elaborate; if there was dieoff on the live rock, due to improper shipment or care, then youll have higher ammonia readings. On the other hand, if everything went smooth, then you shouldnt experience dieoff, hence no excess ammo, rather lower ammo __________________ sorry for beating you senseless "The human torch was denied a bank loan"

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01-09-2007, 08:13 PM	#1
bobberz87 bobberz87 Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 21 Posts: 8	a few questions Yes I have a few questions and was wondering if anyone could help me out. 1 I was wondering what is the best way to cycle a fish only or reefless tank? 2Also, I was wondering the lighting required for live rock? 3 what is the difference between cured and uncured live rock? thanks alot, bob

01-09-2007, 09:53 PM	#2
Ice Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Age: 43 Posts: 533	Although your first question is confusing with your 2nd question. Are you going with Fish Only set-up or Fish Only With Live Rock set-up ? Bump on question #1 - can ya answer this one for him guys ? #2 - type of lighting is not a factor in cycling live rock. #3 - Uncured live rock is rock that is shipped with alot of die-offs from transport. They have to be cured at your home for 3 weeks or so to rid of the die-offs before putting into your DT. Cured live rock is rock that is cured but but not completely.You will need to cure it more but curing time quicker. Unless you get FULLY cured rock from your lfs, they can be added to your DT right away and cycle from there.

01-09-2007, 10:23 PM	#3
bobberz87 bobberz87 Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 21 Posts: 8	sorry that I didnt specify, I plan on doing a reef, but my friend is setting up a reefless tank and asked me to ask. So you dont need any special lighting for live rock? if you did have like rock would they benefit from like compact lighting or high Intensity?

01-10-2007, 03:32 PM	#5
fishfingers Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Australia Age: 18 Posts: 129	The live rock itself won't need any lighting, however any corals or algaes on the live rock may die if adequate lighting isn't provided.

01-10-2007, 03:34 PM	#6
TheOldSalt Darth Ichthyos Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,378	Yes, you need the same kind of lights for your liverock as you would need for corals, unless you have rock that is very plain and ugly, used only for filtration. Without such lighting, the liverock won't stay very lively for long, and it will become the ugly "base' rock.

01-10-2007, 07:22 PM	#8
bobberz87 bobberz87 Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 21 Posts: 8	thanks alot guys, one more quick question, ive heard and read so much on the right salinity to run for fish and reef tanks anywhere from1.019 to 1.027 which is the best?

01-11-2007, 04:44 AM	#9
fishfingers Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Australia Age: 18 Posts: 129	Opinions vary a lot, from my experience american's seem to prefer around 1.023-1.025 where in australia we seem to prefer 1.025-1.028. Most of my stock comes from the GBR which has a S.G of 1.027, so that's what I keep my tanks at. However for a reef tank IMO I would not suggest going lower than 1.024.

02-09-2007, 09:11 AM	#10
linda Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Age: 33 Posts: 1	hi i am cycling a tank at day 7 in the cycling process i added afew peices of live rock and a damsel however i already had ammonia my question is will this make the ammonia levels higher or will it be any6 difference in the long run?

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