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Yeah ok, this is just going around in circles. But I still stand by what I've said, and I'd tell people it again. Remember I'm only trying to give information to people based on my opinions and experiences. Its not like I lurk the forums preying on newbies with the aim of destroying their tanks in mind. I knew my opinion on this topic wouldn't be popular, but at least there are two different opinions out there now.
Tis been a fun discussion though... Last edited by fishfingers; 03-29-2007 at 07:53 AM. |
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To each their own
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I have kept my mouth shut in this thread so far, biting my tounge hard. Now my tounge started bleeding so I had to speak up when I saw what I feel to be "facts"! posted. Great, Now some of you will hate me.
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By the way, reading does not gain you experience. How long have you been keeping saltwater, Kyoberr?
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CollegeReefer you basically summed up my orginal point in your last post. I think I might of gotten a bit caught up in the swing of things trying to defend my position, but thats basically what I was trying to say. |
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And we do understand you point of view, but I believe you 2 are missing the bigger picture T.O.S. touched on without actually saying it. It IS possible to do it. But the % of failure is A LOT higher. A lot of corals are still harvested which depletes the ocean. To encourage a new reefer (whether or not you believe you are) is not healthy to our environment. Our natural reefs are being depleted already let alone to risk the lives of these animals because one doesn't want to give their tank the best possible chance of success. It would be great if everyone succeeded but thats just not possible. Why increase the chances of killing the animals if you dont have to?
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I'm going to have to agree with TOS, Reefneck & Damon on their responses. I, too was going to start a SW tank with a 36G tank but decided to start with a much larger tank after some serious advice be considered by Reefneck. Since then I have begun to to read and research more on SW keeping.
I'm also going to agree with harif with the notion one must start with FW keeping before getting into SW. I've read in amny books that people have started out in SW with great success without starting a FW tank. Nano tanks - is it possible ? Yes. Is it good starter for a beginner ? No. Is it more probable to failure for a beginner ? Yes. Small tanks, IMO are best left alone to experienced aquarists. Just my 2 cents ... |
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I like most you you hate that so much is being taken from the oceans, and that is why i stated to the orginal poster that he should just get some coral frags. They are cheap and are not taking away from the already dewindling ocean corals and fish. There are so many tank bred fish and coral that i would hope people will start buying those instead of fish and corals from the ocean.
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A 10 gallon reef tank is definately tough. I've done it... but its not all that enjoyable LOL
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instead they could have been doing salt water from the beginning, and know how a skimmer works, and know about the proper lighting, and know why crushed coral and other mechanical filters are junk. get some good lights, a good skimmer, and some live rock. BOOM instant reef, change a couple gallons every week, and keep it topped off, what else is there?
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Thanks level drummer and well said. The saltwater part of fishforums needs lots of help before it will ever grow.
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Yeah thanks for sticking up for us LD. As I've said in another post I've found most people here to be very helpful but tbh TOS's comment did cut a little deep. I tend to ignore things like that though.
Its good to hear you know of some people who have done a nano tank on their first go. I'm sure it could be done, but I've never talked to anyone whos done it, with people usually saying "it's to hard, I'll learn with FW first". Now that I've accomplished tropicals, cichlids and reef tanks, I'm surprised I thought this when I first began. You sum everything up nicely, well done. |
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Again I'm not saying it cant be done. Its just much harder......... And for every 1 person you know that started with a nano and it thrived, I can list 10 who failed..........
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