Import of fishes and plants

shaman · 06-16-2005, 03:37 AM

Hi all,

If I wish to export fish and plants to USA or Europe, do I need to apply any permits?
Is there any website I can refer to?

Thank you

**Damon** · 06-16-2005, 08:50 AM

Depends on where you are located.

maxpayne_lhp · 06-16-2005, 09:38 AM

Yes.... any maybe disease checking or something like that
Ah by the way... as some members here know that I'm in Vietnam and about to move to the US next year, I plan to bring my betta along. Will that be possible? And if yes, what should I do? Well I mean the paperwork first, not aboutt he tips for moving.... I'll ask later lol
Well thanks

**Fishfirst** · 06-16-2005, 10:30 AM

I doubt you will have a huge deal getting a betta over here. You'll have no problems getting him on the plane, but you may have some problems when you get to the us. I would just claim it when you get to customs, explain the situation (its a pet, you are moving here, etc), show them the betta (or let them find it in your bag, sometimes they can be quite invasive) let them check for any other "exotic" animal or plant, and most likely since its so common here in the us for people to have a betta, they won't think twice about it.

**TheOldSalt** · 06-16-2005, 12:16 PM

Of course you need export permits, but I haven't the foggiest idea where to get them in your country.

shaman · 06-16-2005, 06:35 PM

Hi,
Thanks for your replies...

Just sending an item like a small plant will need an export permit too?
umm...
then how bout the USA custom? If the plant is well-known, then it should be allowed to pass?
I am from singapore

**Fishfirst** · 06-16-2005, 06:40 PM

plants are pretty restricted when being shipped to the US. By the way, why do you want to in the first place?

shaman · 06-16-2005, 07:04 PM

I am thinking of exporting plants to USA or europe...
Just wonder if it's workable?

maxpayne_lhp · 06-16-2005, 08:27 PM

Sharman, I believe it is once your have contract for the trading. Import from other countries is quite common in the states rite?
Ok... thanks Fishfirst! How about I make contact with the US airports? Is it possible?

**Fishfirst** · 06-17-2005, 12:29 AM

look it up in yellowbook.com just type in the airport you are flying into, and the city name.

**Damon** · 06-17-2005, 12:52 AM

Your best bet is to find a transshipper. They are already established and can get your items through. Obtaining a permit for yourself will end up costing more than the items are worth. You would need to export a lot to recoup the costs. Many betta breeders do this also.

maxpayne_lhp · 06-17-2005, 01:04 AM

transshipper? Sorry but what is it?

**TheOldSalt** · 06-17-2005, 09:55 PM

Transshippers are people who sell things they do not have.
That is, they buy and sell and ship stuff, but they do it by having the person they buy something from send the stuff directly to the one they sold it to.
For example, a fish company in Los Angeles would sell some fish from Hawaii to a wholesaler in Atlanta, and he would have the guy in Hawaii send the fish directly to the guy in Atlanta without them ever going to his place in Los Angeles. Well, technically they would go through Los Angeles in this case, but this is a bad example. This method of buying and selling is called transhipping.
The tricky part is all the work involved in making it possible for the guy in Hawaii to send the fish directly to Atlanta. That's what transhippers do. Okay, again, Hawaii is a bad example since it's a State, but replace "Hawaii" with "Indonesia" and you'll see what I mean.

maxpayne_lhp · 06-17-2005, 10:10 PM

Oh I see... Thanks very much, theOldSalt.

06-16-2005, 03:37 AM	#1
shaman Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Age: 29 Posts: 3	Import of fishes and plants Hi all, If I wish to export fish and plants to USA or Europe, do I need to apply any permits? Is there any website I can refer to? Thank you

06-16-2005, 08:50 AM	#2
Damon Aquatic Naturalist Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dayton, Ohio Age: 32 Posts: 14,982	Depends on where you are located. __________________ For in much wisdom [is] much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow. Member of the AGA (Aquatic Gardner's Association) Member of the IBC (International Betta Congress)

06-16-2005, 09:38 AM	#3
maxpayne_lhp Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: West Michigan Age: 20 Posts: 2,174	Yes.... any maybe disease checking or something like that Ah by the way... as some members here know that I'm in Vietnam and about to move to the US next year, I plan to bring my betta along. Will that be possible? And if yes, what should I do? Well I mean the paperwork first, not aboutt he tips for moving.... I'll ask later lol Well thanks __________________ ~Nam Nguyen~

06-16-2005, 10:30 AM	#4
Fishfirst Fish Guru Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Soon to be Northern Wisconsin Age: 24 Posts: 3,506	I doubt you will have a huge deal getting a betta over here. You'll have no problems getting him on the plane, but you may have some problems when you get to the us. I would just claim it when you get to customs, explain the situation (its a pet, you are moving here, etc), show them the betta (or let them find it in your bag, sometimes they can be quite invasive) let them check for any other "exotic" animal or plant, and most likely since its so common here in the us for people to have a betta, they won't think twice about it. __________________ 210 Gal Reef w/ 55 Gallon Sump/Fuge, 125 Gal Fish Only, 65 Gal Seahorse-29 Gallon Sump, 55 Gal FOWLR, 54 Gal Corner FW Community, 20 Gal Nano FOWLR, 55 Gal Piranha, 29 gallon QT "All the yellow tangs and clownfish in the world can't save you now! hahahah" Peter from Family Guy

06-16-2005, 06:40 PM	#7
Fishfirst Fish Guru Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Soon to be Northern Wisconsin Age: 24 Posts: 3,506	plants are pretty restricted when being shipped to the US. By the way, why do you want to in the first place? __________________ 210 Gal Reef w/ 55 Gallon Sump/Fuge, 125 Gal Fish Only, 65 Gal Seahorse-29 Gallon Sump, 55 Gal FOWLR, 54 Gal Corner FW Community, 20 Gal Nano FOWLR, 55 Gal Piranha, 29 gallon QT "All the yellow tangs and clownfish in the world can't save you now! hahahah" Peter from Family Guy

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06-16-2005, 12:16 PM	#5
TheOldSalt Darth Ichthyos Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,253	Of course you need export permits, but I haven't the foggiest idea where to get them in your country.

06-16-2005, 06:35 PM	#6
shaman Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Age: 29 Posts: 3	Hi, Thanks for your replies... Just sending an item like a small plant will need an export permit too? umm... then how bout the USA custom? If the plant is well-known, then it should be allowed to pass? I am from singapore

06-16-2005, 07:04 PM	#8
shaman Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Age: 29 Posts: 3	I am thinking of exporting plants to USA or europe... Just wonder if it's workable?

06-16-2005, 08:27 PM	#9
maxpayne_lhp Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: West Michigan Age: 20 Posts: 2,174	Sharman, I believe it is once your have contract for the trading. Import from other countries is quite common in the states rite? Ok... thanks Fishfirst! How about I make contact with the US airports? Is it possible? __________________ ~Nam Nguyen~

06-17-2005, 12:29 AM	#10
Fishfirst Fish Guru Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Soon to be Northern Wisconsin Age: 24 Posts: 3,506	look it up in yellowbook.com just type in the airport you are flying into, and the city name. __________________ 210 Gal Reef w/ 55 Gallon Sump/Fuge, 125 Gal Fish Only, 65 Gal Seahorse-29 Gallon Sump, 55 Gal FOWLR, 54 Gal Corner FW Community, 20 Gal Nano FOWLR, 55 Gal Piranha, 29 gallon QT "All the yellow tangs and clownfish in the world can't save you now! hahahah" Peter from Family Guy

06-17-2005, 12:52 AM	#11
Damon Aquatic Naturalist Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dayton, Ohio Age: 32 Posts: 14,982	Your best bet is to find a transshipper. They are already established and can get your items through. Obtaining a permit for yourself will end up costing more than the items are worth. You would need to export a lot to recoup the costs. Many betta breeders do this also. __________________ For in much wisdom [is] much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow. Member of the AGA (Aquatic Gardner's Association) Member of the IBC (International Betta Congress)

06-17-2005, 01:04 AM	#12
maxpayne_lhp Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: West Michigan Age: 20 Posts: 2,174	transshipper? Sorry but what is it? __________________ ~Nam Nguyen~

06-17-2005, 09:55 PM	#13
TheOldSalt Darth Ichthyos Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,253	Transshippers are people who sell things they do not have. That is, they buy and sell and ship stuff, but they do it by having the person they buy something from send the stuff directly to the one they sold it to. For example, a fish company in Los Angeles would sell some fish from Hawaii to a wholesaler in Atlanta, and he would have the guy in Hawaii send the fish directly to the guy in Atlanta without them ever going to his place in Los Angeles. Well, technically they would go through Los Angeles in this case, but this is a bad example. This method of buying and selling is called transhipping. The tricky part is all the work involved in making it possible for the guy in Hawaii to send the fish directly to Atlanta. That's what transhippers do. Okay, again, Hawaii is a bad example since it's a State, but replace "Hawaii" with "Indonesia" and you'll see what I mean.

06-17-2005, 10:10 PM	#14
maxpayne_lhp Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: West Michigan Age: 20 Posts: 2,174	Oh I see... Thanks very much, theOldSalt. __________________ ~Nam Nguyen~

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