29 and questions

awesome kid · 09-14-2005, 08:07 PM

in a 29 reef could i have...

1 Yellowhead Jawfish
2 or 3 Banggai or Highfin Cardinals
2 Neon Gobies
1 Blue Starfish
1 Common Cleaner Shrimp
1 Peppermint Shrimp

I also plan to put in about 15-25 lbs of live rock, 10 lbs of live sand (in addition to what I have which is about 1.5 inches) and corals possibly...

Pineapple
Jewel stone
Green Star Polyps
(are these good for a first timer?)

My filtration would be live rock, a Whisper 30 H.O.B. and a protien skimmer. Which protien skimmer should I get for my setup? Some of the brands I've heard are good are...

Aqua-C Remora and Remora Pro
Euro-Reef CS Series
Euro-Reef ES Series
Red Sea Prizms (I've heard a few people who didnt like these)
Advanced Acrylics Excalibur Models (I've heard one person who didnt like this)

Also what kind of water pump and/or powerheads should I get?

**Fishfirst** · 09-15-2005, 08:34 AM

Okay a few problems I see with your stocking list, first off the blue starfish you are probably refering to is the "blue linckia starfish" these starfish are notorously hard to keep in captivity because we have no idea what they eat! That means a lot of liverock is needed to keep this starfish going long term. 3 Banggai cardinalfish are not a good idea. I'd get five and see who pairs up, then give the other three away. Also I would like to add that these fish are a bit tricky to get eating. Get the aqua c for a skimmer, and as for corals, what lighting do you/will you have?

awesome kid · 09-15-2005, 12:31 PM

currently i have a regular single florecent strip with a regular bulb. i might get a coral life bulb

**Osiris** · 09-15-2005, 12:48 PM

Fishfirst, i am pretty sure them linkia's they discovered aren't reef friendly....

ur jawfish wait til tank is ready i am actually having on eshipped to me tomorrow they are very cool fish liveaquaria never have them in...

Ebay u can easily get a 30" 130w new for under $100.

Are you going to run a sump?

I would run four powerheads two on top and two on bottem smaller ones on bottem i think...

the filter dont use it or if u do get ac500 and turn it into a fuge packed with cheato, I am not a fan of HOB skimmer's, as they tend to overflow easily when setup..hence why i like sump..skimmer actually cheaper for sump too.

awesome kid · 09-15-2005, 01:11 PM

i wasnt planing on running a sump, i will probably use 1-2 powerheads

**Osiris** · 09-15-2005, 01:55 PM

k, then keep a close eye on that skimmer, as until they are broken in i think takes 1-2mos are most prone time to overflowing..

awesome kid · 09-15-2005, 02:08 PM

MalawianPro said

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i think takes 1-2mos are most prone time to overflowing..

does this mean that it will take 1-2 moths for it to over flow or it is prone to overflow in the first two moths?

**Osiris** · 09-15-2005, 02:18 PM

That's the timeframe where it's most prone to overflowing, as the air valve needs tweaking and stuff...just keep an eye on it.

BTW do u remember the website where they were selling excalibur's? if not it's ok i just search RC again til i find the website..

awesome kid · 09-15-2005, 05:01 PM

this was the site i heard about them from
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ca/cav1i1...mpressions.htm
but they dont sell them its like what 1 person used and liked/disliked. the person is bias against Rio pumps

**Fishfirst** · 09-16-2005, 11:03 AM

the linkia is "reef safe" but no one really knows what they eat that I know of. Rio pumps are pretty low quality if I remember. The lighting malawianpro is suggesting probably is good enough for what you want to keep. The normal output florescents are not.

**Osiris** · 09-16-2005, 12:46 PM

hmm i must be thinking of the chocalate chip ones that aren't reef safe colorful but deadly lol

awesome kid · 09-18-2005, 10:49 AM

ok so no starfish so could i add another cleaner shrimp and another peppermint shrimp?

awesome kid · 09-18-2005, 10:55 AM

what kind of powerhead should i get?
Which skimmer (Aqua C Remora or the Remora pro?
what water pump should i get instead of the Rio?

**Osiris** · 09-18-2005, 12:53 PM

You can never have too many cleaner shrimp in there

starfish u could have a sandsifting starfish they just completely burrow under the sand could for keeping it cleaned up but could starve if not moved to bigger tank in 4-6mos..

I prefer the rio powerheads but that's me just cuz of the accesories they come with.

awesome kid · 09-19-2005, 12:39 PM

so this looks like what my setup will be

FISH
1 Yellowhead Jawfish
2 Banggai Cardinals
2 Neon Gobies

INVERTS
2 Common Cleaner Shrimp
2 Peppermint Shrimp

CORALS
Pineapple
Jewel stone
Green Star Polyps

DECORATION
15-25 lbs of live rock
10-15 lbs of live sand in addition to what is in there now

LIGHTING
Coralife bulb

FILTRATION
Live rock and a protein skimmer (Aqua-C Remora)

PUMP AND POWERHEADS
Rio pump
Rio powerhead

anything else i would need (not including food)

**Fishfirst** · 09-19-2005, 01:17 PM

sounds good, but rio is a low quality powerhead. Peppermint shrimp are not 100% reef safe so you may lose there depending... what about mushroom corals, plate corals, hairy mushroom corals, montipora corals, (all good ones)

**Osiris** · 09-19-2005, 01:22 PM

Yea i agreei wouldn't even get pepperiment shrimp they remind me of ghost shrimp lol. Fire Shrimp are really neat usually double price though of regular cleaner shrimp.

awesome kid · 09-19-2005, 06:29 PM

so not peppermint but could i add 2 more cleaners?
what other kind of powerhead would you recommend FishFirst?
ill add mushrooms to my list of corals

awesome kid · 09-19-2005, 06:40 PM

oh btw, besides marine flakes what should i get for food (freeze dried krill, frozen brine shrimp perhaps)?

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09-14-2005, 08:07 PM	#1
awesome kid Huh? Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: I'm right behind you, hahahahaha Posts: 268	29 and questions in a 29 reef could i have... 1 Yellowhead Jawfish 2 or 3 Banggai or Highfin Cardinals 2 Neon Gobies 1 Blue Starfish 1 Common Cleaner Shrimp 1 Peppermint Shrimp I also plan to put in about 15-25 lbs of live rock, 10 lbs of live sand (in addition to what I have which is about 1.5 inches) and corals possibly... Pineapple Jewel stone Green Star Polyps (are these good for a first timer?) My filtration would be live rock, a Whisper 30 H.O.B. and a protien skimmer. Which protien skimmer should I get for my setup? Some of the brands I've heard are good are... Aqua-C Remora and Remora Pro Euro-Reef CS Series Euro-Reef ES Series Red Sea Prizms (I've heard a few people who didnt like these) Advanced Acrylics Excalibur Models (I've heard one person who didnt like this) Also what kind of water pump and/or powerheads should I get? __________________ Here are my virtual pets! 55 mbuna 29 community clueless cat even more clueless dog

09-15-2005, 08:34 AM	#2
Fishfirst Fish Guru Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Soon to be Northern Wisconsin Age: 24 Posts: 3,505	Okay a few problems I see with your stocking list, first off the blue starfish you are probably refering to is the "blue linckia starfish" these starfish are notorously hard to keep in captivity because we have no idea what they eat! That means a lot of liverock is needed to keep this starfish going long term. 3 Banggai cardinalfish are not a good idea. I'd get five and see who pairs up, then give the other three away. Also I would like to add that these fish are a bit tricky to get eating. Get the aqua c for a skimmer, and as for corals, what lighting do you/will you have? __________________ 210 Gal Reef w/ 55 Gallon Sump/Fuge, 125 Gal Fish Only, 65 Gal Seahorse-29 Gallon Sump, 55 Gal FOWLR, 54 Gal Corner FW Community, 20 Gal Nano FOWLR, 55 Gal Piranha, 29 gallon QT "All the yellow tangs and clownfish in the world can't save you now! hahahah" Peter from Family Guy

09-15-2005, 12:31 PM	#3
awesome kid Huh? Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: I'm right behind you, hahahahaha Posts: 268	currently i have a regular single florecent strip with a regular bulb. i might get a coral life bulb __________________ Here are my virtual pets! 55 mbuna 29 community clueless cat even more clueless dog

09-15-2005, 12:48 PM	#4
Osiris Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Wisconsin Age: 25 Posts: 3,692	Fishfirst, i am pretty sure them linkia's they discovered aren't reef friendly.... ur jawfish wait til tank is ready i am actually having on eshipped to me tomorrow they are very cool fish liveaquaria never have them in... Ebay u can easily get a 30" 130w new for under $100. Are you going to run a sump? I would run four powerheads two on top and two on bottem smaller ones on bottem i think... the filter dont use it or if u do get ac500 and turn it into a fuge packed with cheato, I am not a fan of HOB skimmer's, as they tend to overflow easily when setup..hence why i like sump..skimmer actually cheaper for sump too. __________________ Reality is for people who can't handle Science-Fiction

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09-15-2005, 01:11 PM	#5
awesome kid Huh? Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: I'm right behind you, hahahahaha Posts: 268	i wasnt planing on running a sump, i will probably use 1-2 powerheads __________________ Here are my virtual pets! 55 mbuna 29 community clueless cat even more clueless dog

09-15-2005, 01:55 PM	#6
Osiris Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Wisconsin Age: 25 Posts: 3,692	k, then keep a close eye on that skimmer, as until they are broken in i think takes 1-2mos are most prone time to overflowing.. __________________ Reality is for people who can't handle Science-Fiction

09-15-2005, 02:18 PM	#8
Osiris Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Wisconsin Age: 25 Posts: 3,692	That's the timeframe where it's most prone to overflowing, as the air valve needs tweaking and stuff...just keep an eye on it. BTW do u remember the website where they were selling excalibur's? if not it's ok i just search RC again til i find the website.. __________________ Reality is for people who can't handle Science-Fiction

09-15-2005, 05:01 PM	#9
awesome kid Huh? Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: I'm right behind you, hahahahaha Posts: 268	this was the site i heard about them from http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ca/cav1i1...mpressions.htm but they dont sell them its like what 1 person used and liked/disliked. the person is bias against Rio pumps __________________ Here are my virtual pets! 55 mbuna 29 community clueless cat even more clueless dog

09-16-2005, 11:03 AM	#10
Fishfirst Fish Guru Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Soon to be Northern Wisconsin Age: 24 Posts: 3,505	the linkia is "reef safe" but no one really knows what they eat that I know of. Rio pumps are pretty low quality if I remember. The lighting malawianpro is suggesting probably is good enough for what you want to keep. The normal output florescents are not. __________________ 210 Gal Reef w/ 55 Gallon Sump/Fuge, 125 Gal Fish Only, 65 Gal Seahorse-29 Gallon Sump, 55 Gal FOWLR, 54 Gal Corner FW Community, 20 Gal Nano FOWLR, 55 Gal Piranha, 29 gallon QT "All the yellow tangs and clownfish in the world can't save you now! hahahah" Peter from Family Guy

09-16-2005, 12:46 PM	#11
Osiris Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Wisconsin Age: 25 Posts: 3,692	hmm i must be thinking of the chocalate chip ones that aren't reef safe colorful but deadly lol __________________ Reality is for people who can't handle Science-Fiction

09-18-2005, 10:49 AM	#12
awesome kid Huh? Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: I'm right behind you, hahahahaha Posts: 268	ok so no starfish so could i add another cleaner shrimp and another peppermint shrimp? __________________ Here are my virtual pets! 55 mbuna 29 community clueless cat even more clueless dog

09-18-2005, 10:55 AM	#13
awesome kid Huh? Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: I'm right behind you, hahahahaha Posts: 268	what kind of powerhead should i get? Which skimmer (Aqua C Remora or the Remora pro? what water pump should i get instead of the Rio? __________________ Here are my virtual pets! 55 mbuna 29 community clueless cat even more clueless dog

09-18-2005, 12:53 PM	#14
Osiris Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Wisconsin Age: 25 Posts: 3,692	You can never have too many cleaner shrimp in there starfish u could have a sandsifting starfish they just completely burrow under the sand could for keeping it cleaned up but could starve if not moved to bigger tank in 4-6mos.. I prefer the rio powerheads but that's me just cuz of the accesories they come with. __________________ Reality is for people who can't handle Science-Fiction

09-19-2005, 12:39 PM	#15
awesome kid Huh? Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: I'm right behind you, hahahahaha Posts: 268	so this looks like what my setup will be FISH 1 Yellowhead Jawfish 2 Banggai Cardinals 2 Neon Gobies INVERTS 2 Common Cleaner Shrimp 2 Peppermint Shrimp CORALS Pineapple Jewel stone Green Star Polyps DECORATION 15-25 lbs of live rock 10-15 lbs of live sand in addition to what is in there now LIGHTING Coralife bulb FILTRATION Live rock and a protein skimmer (Aqua-C Remora) PUMP AND POWERHEADS Rio pump Rio powerhead anything else i would need (not including food) __________________ Here are my virtual pets! 55 mbuna 29 community clueless cat even more clueless dog

09-19-2005, 01:17 PM	#16
Fishfirst Fish Guru Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Soon to be Northern Wisconsin Age: 24 Posts: 3,505	sounds good, but rio is a low quality powerhead. Peppermint shrimp are not 100% reef safe so you may lose there depending... what about mushroom corals, plate corals, hairy mushroom corals, montipora corals, (all good ones) __________________ 210 Gal Reef w/ 55 Gallon Sump/Fuge, 125 Gal Fish Only, 65 Gal Seahorse-29 Gallon Sump, 55 Gal FOWLR, 54 Gal Corner FW Community, 20 Gal Nano FOWLR, 55 Gal Piranha, 29 gallon QT "All the yellow tangs and clownfish in the world can't save you now! hahahah" Peter from Family Guy

09-19-2005, 01:22 PM	#17
Osiris Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Wisconsin Age: 25 Posts: 3,692	Yea i agreei wouldn't even get pepperiment shrimp they remind me of ghost shrimp lol. Fire Shrimp are really neat usually double price though of regular cleaner shrimp. __________________ Reality is for people who can't handle Science-Fiction

09-19-2005, 06:29 PM	#18
awesome kid Huh? Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: I'm right behind you, hahahahaha Posts: 268	so not peppermint but could i add 2 more cleaners? what other kind of powerhead would you recommend FishFirst? ill add mushrooms to my list of corals __________________ Here are my virtual pets! 55 mbuna 29 community clueless cat even more clueless dog

09-19-2005, 06:40 PM	#19
awesome kid Huh? Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: I'm right behind you, hahahahaha Posts: 268	oh btw, besides marine flakes what should i get for food (freeze dried krill, frozen brine shrimp perhaps)? __________________ Here are my virtual pets! 55 mbuna 29 community clueless cat even more clueless dog