is he ok?

emo_gazz · 06-28-2006, 09:43 AM

ok, my new betta was a lively chap when i first got him swimmin about but now all he seems to do is lay on the bottom of the tank.

He swims to the other side of the tank then floats to the bottom and lays there again. Is this normal?

Sprite42 · 06-28-2006, 09:47 AM

How long have you had him? What are you feeding him?....What are his tankmates and what size tank? What is your water change routine?

Is that enough questions? LOL

emo_gazz · 06-28-2006, 09:57 AM

OK, ive had him since sunday just gone.

Im feedin him tropicaly fish pellets and dry bloodworms (which he isnt eating)

His tanksmates are 2 silver tips and 3 neon tetras.

Size tank is 4g and

Water change routine is ever 2 days.

Hope thats all ok and im not ****in it up somewhere.

Sprite42 · 06-28-2006, 10:16 AM

Well, the first thing that jumps out at me is the amount of fish for that size tank. I, personally, would put anything in that size tank but the betta.

Do you change out 100% of the water? Or, is the tank cycled?

Durbkat · 06-28-2006, 10:24 AM

I'd return all the fish besides the betta as its over stocked and tetras need 6 or more of their kind so they can school and be secure. Do you have a filter in the tank?

Puffer Pita · 06-28-2006, 11:29 AM

My first thought is what is the water temp? Bettas like it warm, upper 70s to low 80s. When I had mine in an unheated tank, the temp was in the mid-70s and that's pretty much what it did. I threw a heater in and it got real lively.

Additionally, I'd lose the dry worms. Try some frozen bloodworms, live blackworms, betta pellets, etc. You can soak the food for a few minutes in some tank water with some garlic slices. Garlic is a good appetite stimulant.

emo_gazz · 06-28-2006, 11:38 AM

Ok ive taken note of what people have said.

The LPS had about 15 silver tips and 1 betta in a small tank and i was told that it was ok.

I'll try some diff foods for the betta.
The temp could be wrong as well.

http://www.fishforums.com/forum/gene...53-heater.html

This is the link to my heater problem if i have one. Could it be that maybe?

leafgirl115 · 06-28-2006, 12:13 PM

You need to get a thermometer to see what the temp in the tank is. Your heater is fine though i have it to

emo_gazz · 06-28-2006, 04:05 PM

phew, thought it was a faulty heater. Ive up the temp a little to see if he'll perk up but i shall get a thermometer or ill go try it now with the human one.

Thanks to all for there replys...

JustOneMore20 · 06-28-2006, 08:10 PM

Quote:

The LPS had about 15 silver tips and 1 betta in a small tank and i was told that it was ok

They aren't saying that the silvertips can't be kept with the betta. They are saying that your tank is too small for the tetras. They are schooling and need atleast a 10g tank. A 4g isn't big enough.

darkfalz · 06-28-2006, 08:37 PM

Pet stores will tell you anything to get the sale. If you realise your mistake, they get money again when you buy a bigger tank (or more fish to replace your dead ones).

That many fish in a 4 gallon is just not a good idea. The Betta by himself would be okay. A bigger tank will mean you only need to change the water once a week, and everyone is happier.

With Bettas, they often just get sick when you change their living conditions, especially if you don't acclimate them to their new water. It's just a mode they go on where they move very little and often their fins clamp. At this time all kinds of bacterias and things are trying to attack them because their immune system is shocked. This is why when I get a new Betta I always put him into his new water very gradually, and I put him first in an empty tank with no gravel and just the kind of water I use (PH, salinity etc.) so he can get used to that, then I move him into the full tank. Once he's used to the water and his immune system is strong, the things that live in the gravel etc. won't be a problem.

emo_gazz · 06-29-2006, 04:57 AM

Ive uped the temp and now he's back to normal.

leafgirl115 · 06-29-2006, 11:31 AM

Congrats!!! see if you can take back the other fish

emo_gazz · 07-01-2006, 12:17 PM

Just to let you all know, i took back the silver tips and neons. Even got ma money back.

Told the pet shop (pets at home) that neons nip at the betta's fins and shouldnt be put together, all i got was a shrug.

So now im gonna get my fish for the LPS near me. They seem to know there stuff.

Christine · 07-01-2006, 12:25 PM

Good for you!

leafgirl115 · 07-01-2006, 07:44 PM

Congrats

Thats great that you got your money back.

emo_gazz · 07-06-2006, 06:44 AM

Ok its happened again. Ive taken the fish back now and all is good buuuuuuuuut now all he does is lay on the bottom of the tank all day. Hardly moves and never eats.

Anyone know if its normal?

emo_gazz · 07-08-2006, 07:51 AM

bump..............

Puffer Pita · 07-08-2006, 08:20 AM

No, its not normal. As far as what it could be, it could be many things. My first thought is ammonia and/or nitrite poisoning. Was the tank cycled before he was put in it? Are you still doing water changes every 2 days and if so, how much are you changing? Are you conditioning the replacement water with something that removes chlorine and chloramines?

Christine · 07-08-2006, 08:20 AM

Have you bought a thermometer yet?

06-28-2006, 09:43 AM	#1
emo_gazz Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Doncaster. UK Age: 22 Posts: 37	is he ok? ok, my new betta was a lively chap when i first got him swimmin about but now all he seems to do is lay on the bottom of the tank. He swims to the other side of the tank then floats to the bottom and lays there again. Is this normal?

06-28-2006, 09:47 AM	#2
Sprite42 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Arkansas Age: 46 Posts: 315	How long have you had him? What are you feeding him?....What are his tankmates and what size tank? What is your water change routine? Is that enough questions? LOL __________________ First, Do No Harm!

06-28-2006, 10:16 AM	#4
Sprite42 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Arkansas Age: 46 Posts: 315	Well, the first thing that jumps out at me is the amount of fish for that size tank. I, personally, would put anything in that size tank but the betta. Do you change out 100% of the water? Or, is the tank cycled? __________________ First, Do No Harm!

06-28-2006, 11:29 AM	#6
Puffer Pita Puffer Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,672	My first thought is what is the water temp? Bettas like it warm, upper 70s to low 80s. When I had mine in an unheated tank, the temp was in the mid-70s and that's pretty much what it did. I threw a heater in and it got real lively. Additionally, I'd lose the dry worms. Try some frozen bloodworms, live blackworms, betta pellets, etc. You can soak the food for a few minutes in some tank water with some garlic slices. Garlic is a good appetite stimulant. __________________ Tina Puffers: Auriglobus silus x2 Colomesus asellus x1 Tetraodon travancoricus x1 Tetraodon biocellatus x2 Tetraodon nigroviridis x1 Tetraodon baileyi x2 Tetraodon lineatus x1 Tetraodon palembangensis x1 The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way in which its animals are treated. - Mohandas Gandhi

06-28-2006, 12:13 PM	#8
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06-28-2006, 09:57 AM	#3
emo_gazz Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Doncaster. UK Age: 22 Posts: 37	OK, ive had him since sunday just gone. Im feedin him tropicaly fish pellets and dry bloodworms (which he isnt eating) His tanksmates are 2 silver tips and 3 neon tetras. Size tank is 4g and Water change routine is ever 2 days. Hope thats all ok and im not ****in it up somewhere.

06-28-2006, 10:24 AM	#5
Durbkat It's the Evil Monkey!! Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kentucky Age: 17 Posts: 1,112	I'd return all the fish besides the betta as its over stocked and tetras need 6 or more of their kind so they can school and be secure. Do you have a filter in the tank?

06-28-2006, 11:38 AM	#7
emo_gazz Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Doncaster. UK Age: 22 Posts: 37	Ok ive taken note of what people have said. The LPS had about 15 silver tips and 1 betta in a small tank and i was told that it was ok. I'll try some diff foods for the betta. The temp could be wrong as well. http://www.fishforums.com/forum/gene...53-heater.html This is the link to my heater problem if i have one. Could it be that maybe?

06-28-2006, 04:05 PM	#9
emo_gazz Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Doncaster. UK Age: 22 Posts: 37	phew, thought it was a faulty heater. Ive up the temp a little to see if he'll perk up but i shall get a thermometer or ill go try it now with the human one. Thanks to all for there replys... Last edited by emo_gazz; 06-28-2006 at 04:10 PM.

06-28-2006, 08:37 PM	#11
darkfalz Vishy vishies! Join Date: May 2006 Location: Australia Age: 29 Posts: 482	Pet stores will tell you anything to get the sale. If you realise your mistake, they get money again when you buy a bigger tank (or more fish to replace your dead ones). That many fish in a 4 gallon is just not a good idea. The Betta by himself would be okay. A bigger tank will mean you only need to change the water once a week, and everyone is happier. With Bettas, they often just get sick when you change their living conditions, especially if you don't acclimate them to their new water. It's just a mode they go on where they move very little and often their fins clamp. At this time all kinds of bacterias and things are trying to attack them because their immune system is shocked. This is why when I get a new Betta I always put him into his new water very gradually, and I put him first in an empty tank with no gravel and just the kind of water I use (PH, salinity etc.) so he can get used to that, then I move him into the full tank. Once he's used to the water and his immune system is strong, the things that live in the gravel etc. won't be a problem. __________________ 40L - 1 opaline gourami 160L planted - 8 harlequin rasboras, 6 tiger barbs, 2 swordtails, 1 bristlenose pleco

06-29-2006, 04:57 AM	#12
emo_gazz Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Doncaster. UK Age: 22 Posts: 37	Ive uped the temp and now he's back to normal.

06-29-2006, 11:31 AM	#13
leafgirl115 ₪ Morgan ₪ Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Canada Age: 18 Posts: 477	Congrats!!! see if you can take back the other fish __________________ ₪ Morgan ₪ 20g Marble/Salfin Molly's Silver/Salfin Molly's Red Commet Platy's Ted- Commpn Pelico lots of molly fry!!! 5g Aquarius -VT Male betta / Austin -Blue VT Male betta 1g Rose-Green HM female

07-01-2006, 12:17 PM	#14
emo_gazz Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Doncaster. UK Age: 22 Posts: 37	Just to let you all know, i took back the silver tips and neons. Even got ma money back. Told the pet shop (pets at home) that neons nip at the betta's fins and shouldnt be put together, all i got was a shrug. So now im gonna get my fish for the LPS near me. They seem to know there stuff.

07-01-2006, 12:25 PM	#15
Christine Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Age: 39 Posts: 859	Good for you!

07-01-2006, 07:44 PM	#16
leafgirl115 ₪ Morgan ₪ Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Canada Age: 18 Posts: 477	Congrats Thats great that you got your money back. __________________ ₪ Morgan ₪ 20g Marble/Salfin Molly's Silver/Salfin Molly's Red Commet Platy's Ted- Commpn Pelico lots of molly fry!!! 5g Aquarius -VT Male betta / Austin -Blue VT Male betta 1g Rose-Green HM female

07-06-2006, 06:44 AM	#17
emo_gazz Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Doncaster. UK Age: 22 Posts: 37	Ok its happened again. Ive taken the fish back now and all is good buuuuuuuuut now all he does is lay on the bottom of the tank all day. Hardly moves and never eats. Anyone know if its normal?

07-08-2006, 07:51 AM	#18
emo_gazz Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Doncaster. UK Age: 22 Posts: 37	bump..............

07-08-2006, 08:20 AM	#19
Puffer Pita Puffer Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,672	No, its not normal. As far as what it could be, it could be many things. My first thought is ammonia and/or nitrite poisoning. Was the tank cycled before he was put in it? Are you still doing water changes every 2 days and if so, how much are you changing? Are you conditioning the replacement water with something that removes chlorine and chloramines? __________________ Tina Puffers: Auriglobus silus x2 Colomesus asellus x1 Tetraodon travancoricus x1 Tetraodon biocellatus x2 Tetraodon nigroviridis x1 Tetraodon baileyi x2 Tetraodon lineatus x1 Tetraodon palembangensis x1 The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way in which its animals are treated. - Mohandas Gandhi

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