Crowntail

ikermalli · 10-21-2007, 05:37 PM

Hi, I just bought a red and black crowntail for petsmart, he is very colorful but unfortunately must be kept in a 1 gallon tank (for now) every time I put food in he doesn't notice it. Also he is always beautifully half flared but when I put a mirror in front of him he doesn't flare, this happened with my other betta then a couple days later he started but does anybody know why they do this? Also he doesn't move around much, my cousin says this usually happens for three days and then he will start moving, anybody have any input as to why they do this?

anasfire23 · 10-21-2007, 08:18 PM

stress from the move, getting used to new surroundings etc. Just give him a few days to settle into his new home and i'm sure he'll be back to his normal self, whatever that is!

ikermalli · 10-22-2007, 05:27 AM

alright, do you think one gallon will be okay for him for a couple weeks?

**Baby_Baby** · 10-22-2007, 05:58 AM

One gallon will be perfectly fine

Dr_House · 10-22-2007, 02:25 PM

Agreed...1 gallon will do quite nicely. I'm also in agreement that I would not worry too much about your new guy. Some bettas will immediately acclimate to new surroundings and others will take more time. Assuming that all toxin levels are 0 and nitrate is minimal, the behavior is most likely due to the move.

On a side note, make sure you remove any food that the betta doesn't eat to avoid polluting the water. In 1 gallon, water quality can diminish quite quickly.

P.S. I love the signature and the picture, Baby_Baby. Well done.

ikermalli · 10-22-2007, 03:27 PM

yes, id o keep all the un eaten food out, as soon as i know he won't eat the food i take it out, also the water is very clean, will 2.5 Gallons be a good size for maybe 3-5 months?

kbjunior8 · 10-22-2007, 03:35 PM

i disagree 1 gallon will not do nicely in my opinion no offense
\its just because my betta was in a 1 gallon and was never flaring or active.
I got a 10 gallon and he never stops moving or flaring.
1 gallon is comparable to living in a smart car lol

ikermalli · 10-22-2007, 04:10 PM

I hate having him in a one, my Vieltail betta is in a 5G and he never stops moving (unless he is sleeping) or flaring. Wanted to get that ten gallon you have but is it safe to keep a ten G without a filter for a little bit, also kb how much was your cover?

Dr_House · 10-22-2007, 04:52 PM

No offense taken. A divergence in opinion need not be accompanied by hard feelings, as they so often are. I would not advocate for a 1 gallon aquarium for a betta, but I would say it is acceptable, especially for a short period of time. In the world of the aquarium, bigger is always better, but smaller, in this case, I believe is sufficient. Especially when taking into account ikermalli's apparent diligence, I see no cause for concern.

ikermalli · 10-22-2007, 05:00 PM

Dr_house, would it be safe to buy a 10 Gallon tank and fill it with water and de-chlorinate it, and then put my fish in without a heater or filter, a heater I would probably get in a day or two after I get the tank but the filter may take longer to get because I am a big fan of penguin bio-wheel filters. Also if i do get a 10 Gallon, and put my crowntail in would some aquarium salt be good to lessen the stress of him moving?

ikermalli · 10-22-2007, 05:20 PM

And kb how much was your hood, also will pet valu have another one of your tanks?

kbjunior8 · 10-22-2007, 05:22 PM

they probably will and 16.99 plus tax

Dr.House those are some wise words

i need a thesaurus to say half of what he said lol

ikermalli · 10-22-2007, 05:23 PM

that's how much your hood was? That's not bad at all

ikermalli · 10-22-2007, 05:24 PM

what do you think about my other post?

Quote:

Dr_house, would it be safe to buy a 10 Gallon tank and fill it with water and de-chlorinate it, and then put my fish in without a heater or filter, a heater I would probably get in a day or two after I get the tank but the filter may take longer to get because I am a big fan of penguin bio-wheel filters. Also if i do get a 10 Gallon, and put my crowntail in would some aquarium salt be good to lessen the stress of him moving

ikermalli · 10-22-2007, 05:25 PM

what do you guys think of this pic? It is kinda blurry and doesn't show the true colours of my crowntail but he does look pretty nice to me.

ikermalli · 10-22-2007, 06:39 PM

does anybody know if my betta would be okay with a ten gallon without a filter or heater for a few days?

Blue Cray · 10-22-2007, 06:56 PM

I'm not too sure but maybe if you have air bubblles and some plants. The tank should be betta safe or cycled.

You could try just filling the tank up halfway or so. A heater is not needed either.

ikermalli · 10-22-2007, 07:05 PM

I know that a heater is not needed but i like having them because I keep my water at exactly 82 Degreed Fahrenheit and my vieltail betta got much darker and moves around alot more, I most probably am not going to get a light if I don't have to but a heater is one of the things neccesary to me, next week on saturday I will probably be picking the tank up so I think he should be fine for a while but anybody else think a heater is not neccesary?

**JustOneMore20** · 10-22-2007, 07:51 PM

Bettas need heaters unless your tank will stay around 77-80F at room temp and not drop at night.

**Baby_Baby** · 10-22-2007, 08:02 PM

It is not a MAJOR OMIGOD YOU ARE GOING TO DIE WITHOUT A HEATER necessity, HOWEVER it is a major fighter against swim bladder disease and in the long run, itll keep him happy

Its worth the few extra bucks, I'll say that much

p.s.
Thank you kindly, Dr_House

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10-21-2007, 05:37 PM	#1
ikermalli Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 708	Crowntail Hi, I just bought a red and black crowntail for petsmart, he is very colorful but unfortunately must be kept in a 1 gallon tank (for now) every time I put food in he doesn't notice it. Also he is always beautifully half flared but when I put a mirror in front of him he doesn't flare, this happened with my other betta then a couple days later he started but does anybody know why they do this? Also he doesn't move around much, my cousin says this usually happens for three days and then he will start moving, anybody have any input as to why they do this? __________________ Take a look at my site http://aquariumexpertise.freeforums.org/

10-21-2007, 08:18 PM	#2
anasfire23 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Gold Coast, Queensland Australia Age: 26 Posts: 583	stress from the move, getting used to new surroundings etc. Just give him a few days to settle into his new home and i'm sure he'll be back to his normal self, whatever that is! __________________ ~60L Planted Community Tank~ Plants: 1 x Elodea Fish: 3 Month old guppy fry, mixed sex, 4 M & 3 F guppies, 1 x 10m old M DC Fry ~Male Bettas:~ Robin - HM or Delta CT Cyborg & Slade DC Fry Braedan - CT & Proud Daddy ~Female Bettas~ Starbuck & Scarlet CT Girls 190L (50G) Planted Tank Plants: 3 x Jungle Val, 1 x Ludwidgia Fish: 6 x Harlequin Rasboras, 6 Black, 5 glowlight & 12 Neon tetras, 2 Common Pleco's

10-22-2007, 05:27 AM	#3
ikermalli Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 708	alright, do you think one gallon will be okay for him for a couple weeks? __________________ Take a look at my site http://aquariumexpertise.freeforums.org/

10-22-2007, 05:58 AM	#4
Baby_Baby Friendly Neighborhood Mod Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tulsa Posts: 3,681	One gallon will be perfectly fine __________________ *Why do you have to "put your two cents in"... but it's only a "penny for your thoughts"? Where's that extra penny going to?*

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10-22-2007, 02:25 PM	#5
Dr_House Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 346	Agreed...1 gallon will do quite nicely. I'm also in agreement that I would not worry too much about your new guy. Some bettas will immediately acclimate to new surroundings and others will take more time. Assuming that all toxin levels are 0 and nitrate is minimal, the behavior is most likely due to the move. On a side note, make sure you remove any food that the betta doesn't eat to avoid polluting the water. In 1 gallon, water quality can diminish quite quickly. P.S. I love the signature and the picture, Baby_Baby. Well done.

10-22-2007, 03:27 PM	#6
ikermalli Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 708	yes, id o keep all the un eaten food out, as soon as i know he won't eat the food i take it out, also the water is very clean, will 2.5 Gallons be a good size for maybe 3-5 months? __________________ Take a look at my site http://aquariumexpertise.freeforums.org/

10-22-2007, 03:35 PM	#7
kbjunior8 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Ontario Posts: 172	i disagree 1 gallon will not do nicely in my opinion no offense \its just because my betta was in a 1 gallon and was never flaring or active. I got a 10 gallon and he never stops moving or flaring. 1 gallon is comparable to living in a smart car lol __________________ 10 Gallon Tank 1 male vieltail betta (red) name: Zuljana

10-22-2007, 04:10 PM	#8
ikermalli Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 708	I hate having him in a one, my Vieltail betta is in a 5G and he never stops moving (unless he is sleeping) or flaring. Wanted to get that ten gallon you have but is it safe to keep a ten G without a filter for a little bit, also kb how much was your cover? __________________ Take a look at my site http://aquariumexpertise.freeforums.org/

10-22-2007, 04:52 PM	#9
Dr_House Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 346	No offense taken. A divergence in opinion need not be accompanied by hard feelings, as they so often are. I would not advocate for a 1 gallon aquarium for a betta, but I would say it is acceptable, especially for a short period of time. In the world of the aquarium, bigger is always better, but smaller, in this case, I believe is sufficient. Especially when taking into account ikermalli's apparent diligence, I see no cause for concern. Last edited by Dr_House; 10-22-2007 at 04:55 PM.

10-22-2007, 05:00 PM	#10
ikermalli Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 708	Dr_house, would it be safe to buy a 10 Gallon tank and fill it with water and de-chlorinate it, and then put my fish in without a heater or filter, a heater I would probably get in a day or two after I get the tank but the filter may take longer to get because I am a big fan of penguin bio-wheel filters. Also if i do get a 10 Gallon, and put my crowntail in would some aquarium salt be good to lessen the stress of him moving? __________________ Take a look at my site http://aquariumexpertise.freeforums.org/

10-22-2007, 05:20 PM	#11
ikermalli Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 708	And kb how much was your hood, also will pet valu have another one of your tanks? __________________ Take a look at my site http://aquariumexpertise.freeforums.org/

10-22-2007, 05:22 PM	#12
kbjunior8 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Ontario Posts: 172	they probably will and 16.99 plus tax Dr.House those are some wise words i need a thesaurus to say half of what he said lol __________________ 10 Gallon Tank 1 male vieltail betta (red) name: Zuljana

10-22-2007, 05:23 PM	#13
ikermalli Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 708	that's how much your hood was? That's not bad at all __________________ Take a look at my site http://aquariumexpertise.freeforums.org/

10-22-2007, 05:25 PM	#15
ikermalli Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 708	what do you guys think of this pic? It is kinda blurry and doesn't show the true colours of my crowntail but he does look pretty nice to me. __________________ Take a look at my site http://aquariumexpertise.freeforums.org/

10-22-2007, 06:39 PM	#16
ikermalli Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 708	does anybody know if my betta would be okay with a ten gallon without a filter or heater for a few days? __________________ Take a look at my site http://aquariumexpertise.freeforums.org/

10-22-2007, 06:56 PM	#17
Blue Cray Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Age: 17 Posts: 487	I'm not too sure but maybe if you have air bubblles and some plants. The tank should be betta safe or cycled. You could try just filling the tank up halfway or so. A heater is not needed either. __________________ 55g Planted -golden zebra danios -striped raphael catfish -angelfish -bronze cories -gold gourami -SAE -brochis catfish -Boeseman's Rainbowfish -Flying Foxes -BGK -kribensis 22g Planted -zebra loach -glo lite tetras 5g Semi Planted -endlers

10-22-2007, 07:05 PM	#18
ikermalli Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 708	I know that a heater is not needed but i like having them because I keep my water at exactly 82 Degreed Fahrenheit and my vieltail betta got much darker and moves around alot more, I most probably am not going to get a light if I don't have to but a heater is one of the things neccesary to me, next week on saturday I will probably be picking the tank up so I think he should be fine for a while but anybody else think a heater is not neccesary? __________________ Take a look at my site http://aquariumexpertise.freeforums.org/

10-22-2007, 07:51 PM	#19
JustOneMore20 Moderator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Birmingham, AL Age: 22 Posts: 3,580	Bettas need heaters unless your tank will stay around 77-80F at room temp and not drop at night. __________________ *Kristin* 5 Planted tanks: 55g, 40g, 29g, 20g, 5.5g

10-22-2007, 08:02 PM	#20
Baby_Baby Friendly Neighborhood Mod Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tulsa Posts: 3,681	It is not a MAJOR OMIGOD YOU ARE GOING TO DIE WITHOUT A HEATER necessity, HOWEVER it is a major fighter against swim bladder disease and in the long run, itll keep him happy Its worth the few extra bucks, I'll say that much p.s. Thank you kindly, Dr_House __________________ *Why do you have to "put your two cents in"... but it's only a "penny for your thoughts"? Where's that extra penny going to?*

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