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Old 12-31-2012, 09:19 AM   #16
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i must agree that betta fry are nowhere near the most difficult fry to raise..i am by no means a betta expert ; but i have raised thousands of them with very little problem..but i have and still do keep and breed several species that are far more difficult to rear...many of the loricaridae species are much more difficult..as well as many tetras and rasboras,some species of gouramies and rainbows too..compared to them bettas are a snap..
i also agree that absolute dedication and preparation are critical..having 1 extra tank and food like hikari first bites is not "prepared"...

if i give information or advice on something , it is coming from my own personal experiences and not from what i heard from a source that i don't personally know as one that is valid.
and i also agree that it is an absolute fact that what works for one may not work for another..i have done a lot of crazy stuff with fish in the last 40 years..stuff that i would not suggest for others to try.
i remember having a conversation many years ago with Paul Loiselle about bettas and the quest to develop a pure green line...no black scale edges..or head..just a pure emerald green....he said that that was probably going to next to impossible to do....he was right as i have yet to see one....we talked about the genetics of bettas and ways to achieve certain desired traits and it came down to the fact that the ability to predict exactly what will come out of a spawn of bettas is not possible....the keeping and breeding is easy..raising the fry is easy....knowing what is coming is not....predictability is only a small percentage..the best we can do is take good care of our fish and enjoy them..study them and learn from them...and perhaps one day somebody will develop that pure green betta....and become rich..
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Old 12-31-2012, 01:17 PM   #17
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If you read my post, I said some of the hardest fw fry to raise. The aren't the hardest, but they are hard. I think that if someone wanted to develop a green betta, they should breed splendens with smaragdina. Wildforfish, I have talked with several breeders who say bettas are tricky fish. One of my big arguments was about amputating part of the fins on a betta. I successfully did this with direction and was saying my personnel experience. Friendly fishies, when you disagreed with me, I did not feel offended. You are very polite and nice. Bullsyejoey, have you ever been a member of another forum? They have no flaming rules, some have rules that if a mod flames, he or she will be banned. If the people there disagree with you, they say it politely and respectfully. I am a member of two of those forums, and those forums get loyalty from their members. Forums that allow flamers only damage themselves.
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Old 01-01-2013, 12:44 AM   #18
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Green? I grew up with nothing but Green, Red or Blue Bettas. I found a Yellow one I thought was an albino but it was just a dull non-iredescent Yellow. I did get a Brown one out of his spawn though. Not the Chocolates we have today. It was just Brown. I get Green Bettas almost everytime I crossbreed colors. Maybe they've been crossed with Blue, Steel and Royal Blue so much over the years the color genes have combined to make the Turquoise that's so common. Now Purple, that was something I get excited about. I had some dark Purple bodied fry show up in a spawn 4 years ago and have been working on them ever since. Getting rich,.... not likely. Getting credit for developing the color,....hopefully. Seeing their color enhance with every generation (and getting 18 to 25 bucks apiece) .....priceless!
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Old 01-01-2013, 01:02 AM   #19
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i see a red betta couple of weeks ago, gotta admit it looked a beauty, it was a deep blood red, crimson red i suppose you would call it.. if i didnt have the tetras in the smaller tank i would have got him there and then
like you say the more common i see are purple in colour or blue, everyone seems to have them
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Old 01-01-2013, 12:11 PM   #20
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Chard56: what colors are not as common as the others? I know red and blue are common, but what about the other colors?
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Old 01-01-2013, 05:28 PM   #21
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I'm talking about a true breeding Purple strain of Betta, not an occassional Purplish, or Purpley colored one. Other than my Purple line I don't know of anyone in the known universe that has one. I get a lot of inquiries asking if I have White, Black; Purple or the so called Fancy multi-colored Dragon types. The "holy grail" White Halfmoons must be hard to maintain or they wouldn't get $100 on Aquabid for them. I bought one at Petco a few weeks ago (not for $100) and put him in a spawning tank with one of my pale White/Green Pastels. I don't think any color is really rare except Albinos. Popular colors I get asked for I try to accomodate by getting that color and seeing how the offspring sell. Black Orchid, anything Black; Orange, Yellow; White and MG. Purple and Dragon all sell well along with the Marbles and Butterflies.
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Old 01-01-2013, 05:57 PM   #22
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Originally Posted by Chard56 View Post
I'm talking about a true breeding Purple strain of Betta, not an occassional Purplish, or Purpley colored one. Other than my Purple line I don't know of anyone in the known universe that has one. I get a lot of inquiries asking if I have White, Black; Purple or the so called Fancy multi-colored Dragon types. The "holy grail" White Halfmoons must be hard to maintain or they wouldn't get $100 on Aquabid for them. I bought one at Petco a few weeks ago (not for $100) and put him in a spawning tank with one of my pale White/Green Pastels. I don't think any color is really rare except Albinos. Popular colors I get asked for I try to accomodate by getting that color and seeing how the offspring sell. Black Orchid, anything Black; Orange, Yellow; White and MG. Purple and Dragon all sell well along with the Marbles and Butterflies.
Petco has been having trouble with its fish having mycro which is a relative of tuberculosis. I would be really careful with that fish if I was you. Their farm is infected from what I hear.
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Old 01-01-2013, 06:25 PM   #23
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Thank you Chard56. I miss my halfmoon that I had, he was read and blue, but when I took a picture of him he looked purple. I would like to have a good healthy halfmoon betta, the color I would like to get a really pretty teal. Chard56: have you ever seen a teal betta, or get one from one of your spawns?
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Old 01-01-2013, 08:47 PM   #24
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kind of strange......i haven't seen anything like mycro ; nor have i heard anything about petco having troubles with it...99% of all the bettas are actually quite healthy..there are always at least 50 in stock at all times..maybe you have some kind of inside line to the petco farms......
chard...i'm not talking about kind of green..or them having any other colors..no other colors on the ventrals or pectoral..no black head..no black edging on the scales or fins...
nothing but pure emerald green from nose to tail...i have to see one and am pretty sure they do not exist.
in my opinion a great many colors around today are really ugly...but breeders don't want to have to cull ugly fish..it would cost them too much money...so they come up with some kind of name and hype the daylights out of it...i just can't understand how or why some halfwitted twit would name a betta color "musdtard gas"..kinda sick to me..

angel.....teal is a bird......lol
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Old 01-01-2013, 09:14 PM   #25
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Lohachata: here is a link that says that teal is a color

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teal

The color I like is teal blue.
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After further review, I think it's myco, not mycro. Any Petco's here are good here, too. I think their fish from FA are as healthy as you can hope from a chain.

Considering how global the fish supplies are, you can't trust any new fish. Always QT everything. Always.

I always figured the chain store bettas were the "culls". That someone buys up thumbnail sized rejects and rears them by the thousands.
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what i am seeing now that i had never seen before in my years in the hobby is the sale of baby bettas.....the store i work at has quite a few of them..and i believe that they are the same price as the adults....which means major profits all the way around...for the breeder...selling his fish at 4-6 weeks old instead of have to house and then sort for 5 or 6 months.....and chains like petco pay only pennies per fish.....much the same as angelfish..when i was breeding the young were kept for about 3 months old or quarter sized bodies....now they are sold at 6 weeks and dime sized bodies..

emc.....i had never heard it called mycro or myco...only as fish TB...lol....but i know a couple of members of our club that had it...not a pretty thing...

angel.......i was teasing....lol
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