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Old 02-17-2013, 10:05 AM   #16
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betta man....what "bad bacteria" are you talking about ??
yes ; carbon will remove chemicals and other impurities ; but only for a short period of time..although it is argued ; it is pretty much about 2-3 weeks..it then becomes saturated and no longer able to absorb any more.if left in the filter it will start to leech toxins back into ther tank after a while..
a filter will remove debris.....but it do provide a place for bacteria to build that will maintain the the levels of ammonia and nitrite....yes , the gravel in a tank will also do that.but the gravel by itself will not remove debris.thus the need for a filter...plants will help some , but are not enough to not use filtration..yes , you can keep unfiltered tanks , but one needs to be somewhat more experienced in fishkeeping.....
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Old 02-17-2013, 11:32 AM   #17
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Personally I can't imagine someone not recommending a filter. I mean it just doesn't even make sense not to suggest one. They are beneficial and often outright important. A plant helps with nitrates. It does not help with all of the other junk that can float around in the tank. I keeps a stable source of good bacteria so you can do gravel vacuuming without worrying about harming your biology.

Seriously dude, get a filter.

Get a heater, they need heat as they are tropical. They make tiny ones for 1 gallon tanks that go under the gravel, the look like a little paddle. They are inexpensive.

In a one gallon- water change every 1-3 days. In a 5 gallon water change weekly. Keep in mind that just because you "can" be lazy and get away with longer between, does not mean you "should" as your tank is more vulnerable to negative consequences (such as crashing) with less than weekly water changes in a 5 gallon. You will want to change about 10-20% weekly.
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Old 02-17-2013, 12:09 PM   #18
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I agree with Obsidian. Carbon filters are a must, because they do remove bad things in the tank, and they are a place for good bacteria.
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Old 02-17-2013, 01:21 PM   #19
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i agree with obs...
there are a lot of things that one can "get away with" ; such as having 200 young common plecos in a 20 long...it all depends on how well one knows what they are doing...
but in general it is always best to make sure you do everything you can to make sure your fish thrive...know their needs and provide them..
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Old 02-17-2013, 01:52 PM   #20
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Originally Posted by Angelclown View Post
Carbon filters is what I am talking about. Carbon removes chemicals in the water. Here is a link to this:

http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/carbon.php

I guess we are both right about carbon.
Interesting link, thank you.
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Old 02-17-2013, 02:39 PM   #21
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I should clarify- I am not saying that the filter has to have carbon. If you are going to use carbon then change it every 3-4 weeks. You do not need carbon in most instances other than to pull out medications. I don't use carbon in my filters.

In the one gallon put in a small sponge filter. In the 5 you can go with sponge or a smaller hang on back.
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Old 02-17-2013, 02:42 PM   #22
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Loha, I was talking about the "bad bacteria" that angelclown mentioned.
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Old 02-17-2013, 04:02 PM   #23
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well kid ; you are waaaay wrong...angelclown was talking about ammonia and nitrites...they are the "bad bacteria"...and filters remove them..gravel does not remove them , but houses the good bacteria that consumes them..just like the other hard surfaces in the tank..plants help some because they also provide a surface for the good bacteria to inhabit..
as i have been trying to tell folks all along...;carbon is not really needed all the time..mainly just for removing chemicals , impurities and staining...it is functional for only a short period of time...and later on it will leech toxins back into the tank...
why do manufacturers recommend carbon ? because it is more revenue for them.....
and that is why they tell you to change the filter cartridge every 2 weeks...
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Old 02-17-2013, 04:05 PM   #24
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Originally Posted by Betta man View Post
IMO, non carbon filters only house bacteria which gravel does too. I don't think filters remove bad bacteria. Could you post a link to a source? Carbon filters remove some ammonia as far as I know.

Perhaps a refresher course of the nitrogen cycle in regards to a NON-carbon filter.

http://www.firsttankguide.net/filters.php


http://animal-world.com/encyclo/fres...leAquarium.php



http://www.americanaquariumproducts....gen_cycle.html


Long reads ,

but well worth it for a complete understanding of not only the function of the filter but the IMPORTANCE of its use in most cases.


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Actually, I hate to break it to ya guys, BUT, ammonia is not bacteria. Sorry to pop yer bubble. I do agree that carbon should not be used all the time on tanks though.
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Betta man,

Did you read the links posted above?

While ammonia is not a "bacteria" it is referred to as such by some.
Really no need for attempted "wiseacre" remark.
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I have read the first link and the last link, and they are both very informative.

Betta man: I suggest reading those links.
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Why would you not correct someone for using the word bacteria for ammonia? They are not the same and should not be used as such. The nitrogen cycle and other aspects of aqurium keeping are hard enough to understand without confusing the terms.
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+1. Also, for someone who likes to call bacteria bacteria and toxins toxins, that is quite confusing.
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Also, my wiseacre remark comes after months of frustration with you and loha...... I interpreted your review wrong and saw it as an insult. I apologize.
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