I have fry!

Skylarbelle1977 · 10-02-2006, 10:37 AM

I have a pair of angels who have been laying eggs for a year. My sucker fish kept eating them. I have finally put up a divider in the tank and they once again laid eggs. But for the first time I HAVE FRY!! They are still in the tank with the parents. I have read that I shouldn't feed them BBS until day 5. Should I move them to their own tank at day 5 and feed them then? What do I do now?

**Damon** · 10-02-2006, 10:58 AM

Depends on your seriousness of breeding. Most remove the parents. You can remove the fry instead but that adds stress. Feeding bbs on day 5 is fine. The parents May or may not eat them.

Skylarbelle1977 · 10-02-2006, 11:32 AM

if I remove the parents when should I do that?

mama is tending to them nicely now. scooping them up in her mouth and placing them back on the leaf if they wiggle off.

**Damon** · 10-02-2006, 01:03 PM

Normally, after 3-5 days when the eggsacs are used up and most of the fry are freeswimming. Then they can fend for themselves.

Skylarbelle1977 · 10-02-2006, 01:46 PM

any other tips or hints? I really want these babies to make it!

craftyflalady · 10-04-2006, 07:22 AM

As long as the parents are careing for them. Let them remain with the parents. They may end up being very good parents.Try leaving them a night light at night, it helps alot.

If your still afraid of the parents eatting them or have other fish in the tank with the parents, Remove the fry right before they go freeswimming. You will begin to see one or two of the fry starting to swim and then head back to wiggling. I use a piece of airline and just suck them into a smaller tank along with tank water from the parents tank. Then it's all on you to raise them. So think hard before you do that.

Do you have the time it takes to tend fry? { Mine get fed 6 times a day } Do you have a plan to keep them and let them grow out? Angels need large grow out tanks to veil out properly. at the very least a bare bottom 29 gal...55 gal would be alot better. Then you have to find homes for all the fry.

Just a few things to consider. Hope that helped some.

Good luck,
Kathy

Skylarbelle1977 · 10-04-2006, 09:16 AM

If I leave them with the parents, is there a chance they will survive? or are the parents sure to eat them?

I have a 29 gallon that I plan to put them in. The pet store told me that they would pay me $5 per fish (a $5 store credit if they didn't really need them) I would be happy if a few lived, I would keep them myself.

darkfalz · 10-04-2006, 07:09 PM

Get microworms or a BBS hatchery going. S

doggydad38 · 10-05-2006, 01:13 PM

Deciding on whether to let the parents raise the fry is a crap shoot. Sounds to me like the parents are doing what they are supposed to do. If it were my decision, I'd leave them where they are. Fry that are raised by their parents tend to raise their own fry as adults. I had a pair years ago that went in stages. First, they ate the eggs. Then they ate the fry when they hatched. Next, they ate them when they became free swimming. It wasn't until their 4th batch of fry that they raised them. They were super parents from that point on and the fry did extremely well. Always give your Angel pairs the opportunity to be parents. You will know soon enough if you will need to raise the fry artificially. Just my opinion and experience with Angels.
Tony

Skylarbelle1977 · 10-06-2006, 10:13 AM

they are 5 days old today. not free swimming but very close. they are all in a clump on a leaf. They wiggle free a bit but then go back to the group. I think tomorrow they will be swimming. Mama has done wonderfully so far. she fanned and fanned theose eggs, then tended to them perfectly. now if one wiggles too far away she scoops it up with her mouth and puts it back. Dad has been off in the corner "guarding". Today I saw him being a more active parent. he was scooping the wigglers up and spitting them back on the leaf. my bbs haven't hatched yet. Hoping I get some soon!

doggydad38 · 10-06-2006, 01:42 PM

Sounds like you got a good pair of Angels. Best of luck.
Tony

darkfalz · 10-06-2006, 10:22 PM

BBS hatching can be very frustrating, if the conditions aren't right they just don't hatch, and even if you hatch some it's impossible to separate from the unhatched to get any kind of harvest. Microworms are a million times easier.

Skylarbelle1977 · 10-07-2006, 09:36 AM

I bought the little black box bbs kit at the pet store for $7.99. they hatched within 12 hours and there were TONS. yes I am hatching them again now since they need to be fed so often

they are all swimming abuot now with mom and dad. they are in a 29 gallon with their parents only

Skylarbelle1977 · 10-07-2006, 10:42 AM

they are so fun to watch

darkfalz · 10-07-2006, 07:48 PM

That's great. I never had such luck with BBS, even in summer.

**Damon** · 10-07-2006, 07:56 PM

Me neither. Even when I did get the to hatch, seperating them from the eggshells was a crapshoot for me. I went with vinegar eels and microworms. Vinegar eels swim which is nice but harder to harvest than microworms.

flamingo · 10-07-2006, 10:05 PM

That's my problem too, I can hatch the brine in most cases..but can't seperate them. But..that's why they have decapsulated :P.

But..microworms, etc. are easier like said..and also..they have most of their nutrition even after 4 hours of hatching :P.

Skylarbelle1977 · 10-08-2006, 11:07 AM

they are not swimming in a cloud anymore. they are all over the 29 gallon. this is driving mom and dad crazy! they keep scooping them up and trying to keep them all in the corner. Will mom and dad ever give up?

there doesn't seem to be as many, but maybe that is because they are all over the tank. When should I move them to a new tank? When should I expect mom and dad to lay eggs again?

darkfalz · 10-08-2006, 05:13 PM

I'm not sure about moving fry, they are very delicate at first. But feeding fry in a large planted tank with gravel is a difficiult task. So much will end up in the gravel.

Skylarbelle1977 · 10-09-2006, 09:25 AM

There are only about 20 fry. they are swimming happily about. I assume the others died. Mom and dad are still tending to them nicely.

10-02-2006, 10:37 AM	#1
Skylarbelle1977 Fishy Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 12	I have fry! I have a pair of angels who have been laying eggs for a year. My sucker fish kept eating them. I have finally put up a divider in the tank and they once again laid eggs. But for the first time I HAVE FRY!! They are still in the tank with the parents. I have read that I shouldn't feed them BBS until day 5. Should I move them to their own tank at day 5 and feed them then? What do I do now?

10-02-2006, 10:58 AM	#2
Damon Aquatic Naturalist Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dayton, Ohio Age: 32 Posts: 14,982	Depends on your seriousness of breeding. Most remove the parents. You can remove the fry instead but that adds stress. Feeding bbs on day 5 is fine. The parents May or may not eat them. __________________ For in much wisdom [is] much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow. Member of the AGA (Aquatic Gardner's Association) Member of the IBC (International Betta Congress)

10-02-2006, 01:03 PM	#4
Damon Aquatic Naturalist Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dayton, Ohio Age: 32 Posts: 14,982	Normally, after 3-5 days when the eggsacs are used up and most of the fry are freeswimming. Then they can fend for themselves. __________________ For in much wisdom [is] much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow. Member of the AGA (Aquatic Gardner's Association) Member of the IBC (International Betta Congress)

10-02-2006, 01:46 PM	#5
Skylarbelle1977 Fishy Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 12	any other tips or hints? I really want these babies to make it! Attached Images Last edited by Skylarbelle1977; 10-03-2006 at 03:03 PM.

10-04-2006, 07:22 AM	#6
craftyflalady Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Age: 50 Posts: 397	As long as the parents are careing for them. Let them remain with the parents. They may end up being very good parents.Try leaving them a night light at night, it helps alot. If your still afraid of the parents eatting them or have other fish in the tank with the parents, Remove the fry right before they go freeswimming. You will begin to see one or two of the fry starting to swim and then head back to wiggling. I use a piece of airline and just suck them into a smaller tank along with tank water from the parents tank. Then it's all on you to raise them. So think hard before you do that. Do you have the time it takes to tend fry? { Mine get fed 6 times a day } Do you have a plan to keep them and let them grow out? Angels need large grow out tanks to veil out properly. at the very least a bare bottom 29 gal...55 gal would be alot better. Then you have to find homes for all the fry. Just a few things to consider. Hope that helped some. Good luck, Kathy __________________ *"This sure is a Fishy Place!"*

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10-02-2006, 11:32 AM	#3
Skylarbelle1977 Fishy Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 12	if I remove the parents when should I do that? mama is tending to them nicely now. scooping them up in her mouth and placing them back on the leaf if they wiggle off.

10-04-2006, 09:16 AM	#7
Skylarbelle1977 Fishy Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 12	If I leave them with the parents, is there a chance they will survive? or are the parents sure to eat them? I have a 29 gallon that I plan to put them in. The pet store told me that they would pay me $5 per fish (a $5 store credit if they didn't really need them) I would be happy if a few lived, I would keep them myself.

10-04-2006, 07:09 PM	#8
darkfalz Vishy vishies! Join Date: May 2006 Location: Australia Age: 29 Posts: 476	Get microworms or a BBS hatchery going. S __________________ 40L planted - 1 (opaline?) gourami 160L planted - 9 harlequin rasboras, 3 platys, 3 swordtails, 1 guppy

10-05-2006, 01:13 PM	#9
doggydad38 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 189	Deciding on whether to let the parents raise the fry is a crap shoot. Sounds to me like the parents are doing what they are supposed to do. If it were my decision, I'd leave them where they are. Fry that are raised by their parents tend to raise their own fry as adults. I had a pair years ago that went in stages. First, they ate the eggs. Then they ate the fry when they hatched. Next, they ate them when they became free swimming. It wasn't until their 4th batch of fry that they raised them. They were super parents from that point on and the fry did extremely well. Always give your Angel pairs the opportunity to be parents. You will know soon enough if you will need to raise the fry artificially. Just my opinion and experience with Angels. Tony

10-06-2006, 10:13 AM	#10
Skylarbelle1977 Fishy Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 12	they are 5 days old today. not free swimming but very close. they are all in a clump on a leaf. They wiggle free a bit but then go back to the group. I think tomorrow they will be swimming. Mama has done wonderfully so far. she fanned and fanned theose eggs, then tended to them perfectly. now if one wiggles too far away she scoops it up with her mouth and puts it back. Dad has been off in the corner "guarding". Today I saw him being a more active parent. he was scooping the wigglers up and spitting them back on the leaf. my bbs haven't hatched yet. Hoping I get some soon!

10-06-2006, 01:42 PM	#11
doggydad38 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 189	Sounds like you got a good pair of Angels. Best of luck. Tony

10-06-2006, 10:22 PM	#12
darkfalz Vishy vishies! Join Date: May 2006 Location: Australia Age: 29 Posts: 476	BBS hatching can be very frustrating, if the conditions aren't right they just don't hatch, and even if you hatch some it's impossible to separate from the unhatched to get any kind of harvest. Microworms are a million times easier. __________________ 40L planted - 1 (opaline?) gourami 160L planted - 9 harlequin rasboras, 3 platys, 3 swordtails, 1 guppy Last edited by darkfalz; 10-06-2006 at 10:26 PM.

10-07-2006, 09:36 AM	#13
Skylarbelle1977 Fishy Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 12	I bought the little black box bbs kit at the pet store for $7.99. they hatched within 12 hours and there were TONS. yes I am hatching them again now since they need to be fed so often they are all swimming abuot now with mom and dad. they are in a 29 gallon with their parents only

10-07-2006, 07:48 PM	#15
darkfalz Vishy vishies! Join Date: May 2006 Location: Australia Age: 29 Posts: 476	That's great. I never had such luck with BBS, even in summer. __________________ 40L planted - 1 (opaline?) gourami 160L planted - 9 harlequin rasboras, 3 platys, 3 swordtails, 1 guppy

10-07-2006, 07:56 PM	#16
Damon Aquatic Naturalist Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dayton, Ohio Age: 32 Posts: 14,982	Me neither. Even when I did get the to hatch, seperating them from the eggshells was a crapshoot for me. I went with vinegar eels and microworms. Vinegar eels swim which is nice but harder to harvest than microworms. __________________ For in much wisdom [is] much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow. Member of the AGA (Aquatic Gardner's Association) Member of the IBC (International Betta Congress)

10-07-2006, 10:05 PM	#17
flamingo One Word: Croutons. Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Wisconsin Age: 17 Posts: 1,897	That's my problem too, I can hatch the brine in most cases..but can't seperate them. But..that's why they have decapsulated :P. But..microworms, etc. are easier like said..and also..they have most of their nutrition even after 4 hours of hatching :P. __________________ If you put "u" instead of typing out the actual, shocking, three letter word... i'm not going to read your ramblings. I'm so behind it's not even funny.

10-08-2006, 11:07 AM	#18
Skylarbelle1977 Fishy Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 12	they are not swimming in a cloud anymore. they are all over the 29 gallon. this is driving mom and dad crazy! they keep scooping them up and trying to keep them all in the corner. Will mom and dad ever give up? there doesn't seem to be as many, but maybe that is because they are all over the tank. When should I move them to a new tank? When should I expect mom and dad to lay eggs again?

10-08-2006, 05:13 PM	#19
darkfalz Vishy vishies! Join Date: May 2006 Location: Australia Age: 29 Posts: 476	I'm not sure about moving fry, they are very delicate at first. But feeding fry in a large planted tank with gravel is a difficiult task. So much will end up in the gravel. __________________ 40L planted - 1 (opaline?) gourami 160L planted - 9 harlequin rasboras, 3 platys, 3 swordtails, 1 guppy

10-09-2006, 09:25 AM	#20
Skylarbelle1977 Fishy Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 12	There are only about 20 fry. they are swimming happily about. I assume the others died. Mom and dad are still tending to them nicely.

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