asian needle nose breeding?

heatherhoge · 11-27-2005, 08:42 PM

I had a pair of asian needle noses breeding like crazy for me. No one in my area has never accomplished breeding these fish so no info was given to me rather than something is going good.

My male of the breeding pair died and I don't know if its a breeding thing like the male dies after he is done doing his job or what. He stopped eating while they were breeding and lived for 3 months then passed away giving us hundreds of babies. I went out and bought 3 more asian needle noses hopeing one would be a male since I can not tell the sex of these fish. My female (i know from observation

) wont take to any of them. I am trying to find out are they one mate type of fish and never mate with others or do I possibly have the luck of having 4 females in one tank.

that could be my luck. lol

any info on the breeding rituals of these guys would be great.

**Cichlid Man** · 11-28-2005, 09:07 AM

What size are the others? Maybe they're too young and inexperienced. Keep an eye on them and make sure they don't eat each other, females are particualy firery when mating and may attack the male if he's too small.
As far as I know sexes are indes.... indisting.... indi.... hard to tell apart.LOL.
Obviously you could tell which one was your female though.LOL
Fry are very difficult to feed. What do yours eat?

flamingo · 11-28-2005, 04:08 PM

Are you talking about xenentodon cancila?

If so the only thing I can remember is that they're eggs are supposedly poisonous.You should document they're breeding though. I have searched every where on breeding when I was planning on getting my first ones and all they said was the eggs are poisonous and that they don't breed a lot for most people.

heatherhoge · 11-28-2005, 04:21 PM

I am not sure of the scientific name I just know them as asian needle nose. I guess they are family to the gars. I haven't found any info on them breeding at all. Where did you find the info on the eggs? If a web or book let me know so I can see if we are talking about the same fish.

**Scuba Kid** · 11-28-2005, 04:28 PM

actually i don't think they are related to gars at all. they are known as a "false gar". i think you might get more info by searching needle nose gar though.

flamingo · 11-28-2005, 04:30 PM

I don;t remmeber the exact site. Your best bet would be to search on google or something.

Aqualandpetsplus.com has some pics on them. Go to they're gar page and they should be on it.

You may be talking about something else than im thinking of because theres 3 different ones that are called asian needlenose fish

flamingo · 11-28-2005, 04:33 PM

Yes tehy are a flase gar, I think they are more closely related to characins.

Do you have any pics of them though?

heatherhoge · 11-28-2005, 04:58 PM

I have pix but don't know how to post the pix. I stink with computers. lol. I tryed to post pix but not working for me. I know I prob. doing it wrong but still working on it.

heatherhoge · 11-28-2005, 05:14 PM

I attempted to attach the pix.

heatherhoge · 11-28-2005, 05:15 PM

sorry didn't work.

Fishboy93 · 11-28-2005, 05:49 PM

Go to photobucket.com and put pics there then from there upload them using the img file Ex.

[/IMG]http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a131/Fishboy93/FullAquariumPic.jpg is what it should look like and then the IMG on the end like up front. Anywho congrats on ur Needle noses

heatherhoge · 11-28-2005, 06:08 PM

I checked out the web. I have to wait a while for it to activate. Soon as I can work with it I will try to insert pix again. Thanks for the advice.

Fishboy93 · 11-28-2005, 06:15 PM

Sure i wanna see the pics of ur fish

heatherhoge · 11-29-2005, 04:58 PM

ok I think I got this pix thing going. The pix of the asian needle nose is not the best but hope you can make it out. Ok here goes my attempt

Thanks for info on the website I like it!!

heatherhoge · 11-29-2005, 04:59 PM

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaa I did it. lol

**Scuba Kid** · 11-29-2005, 05:07 PM

look like needle nose gars to me, xenentodon cancila. they will get about a foot long i believe. they eat just about anything that fits into their mouth also, so be aware of that.

heatherhoge · 11-29-2005, 05:11 PM

I had them for a while. They really are not pigish.lol They eat what they need. They don't eat till all feeders are gone. The biggest one eats about 6 feeder and wont even touch a feeder for 24 hours. If a fish is to big for their mouth they wont even try. It's amazing how they can size up the food with out even trying to eat it.

**Cichlid Man** · 11-30-2005, 05:45 AM

I like your fish, but that goldfish is too big for them.

flamingo · 11-30-2005, 05:50 AM

Yep defintely xenentodon cancila....

Is that goldfish they're food? If so please don't ffed them that.... get them on some other fish or even better yet something like freeze dried krill.

And yes some do get about a foot long. Most are around 9 inches though.

heatherhoge · 11-30-2005, 06:18 AM

LOL No they are not the feeders. They eat feeder guppies. I adopted these gold fish as a rescue from a friends who tank broke and now I am trying to find the 5 gold fish a home. We put them in this tank since there is only the needle noses in it and the water being a little warm I though would make these 5 hemerage but they are doing good. The gold do help keep the tank clean but they have to go. the needle noses wont eat frozen. Believe me I tried everything. So now they get guppies and rosey reds if store out of guppies. I also tried ghost shrimp and they wont even touch that. I also had this issue with stingrays. If they want live food they will starve them selves.

11-27-2005, 08:42 PM	#1
heatherhoge Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: broadview ht ohio Age: 33 Posts: 98 User Feedback: (0)	asian needle nose breeding? I had a pair of asian needle noses breeding like crazy for me. No one in my area has never accomplished breeding these fish so no info was given to me rather than something is going good. My male of the breeding pair died and I don't know if its a breeding thing like the male dies after he is done doing his job or what. He stopped eating while they were breeding and lived for 3 months then passed away giving us hundreds of babies. I went out and bought 3 more asian needle noses hopeing one would be a male since I can not tell the sex of these fish. My female (i know from observation ) wont take to any of them. I am trying to find out are they one mate type of fish and never mate with others or do I possibly have the luck of having 4 females in one tank. that could be my luck. lol any info on the breeding rituals of these guys would be great.

11-28-2005, 09:07 AM	#2
Cichlid Man Super moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,100 User Feedback: (0)	What size are the others? Maybe they're too young and inexperienced. Keep an eye on them and make sure they don't eat each other, females are particualy firery when mating and may attack the male if he's too small. As far as I know sexes are indes.... indisting.... indi.... hard to tell apart.LOL. Obviously you could tell which one was your female though.LOL Fry are very difficult to feed. What do yours eat? __________________ If you have a big enough tank with enough hiding places, pH of around 7, you can keep virtually any fish together as long as all the fish are around the same size and these two groups of fish are avioded: Serrasalmus Tetradon(figure eights and dwarfs are the exception). I keep a successful community of fish in a 4 foot tank including the following families: Cichlids, tetras, loaches, gouramis, barbs, rainbows, livebearers, killiefish, catfish, puffers.

11-28-2005, 04:08 PM	#3
flamingo One Word: Croutons. Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Wisconsin Age: 16 Posts: 1,892 User Feedback: (2)	Are you talking about xenentodon cancila? If so the only thing I can remember is that they're eggs are supposedly poisonous.You should document they're breeding though. I have searched every where on breeding when I was planning on getting my first ones and all they said was the eggs are poisonous and that they don't breed a lot for most people. __________________ Color exists only in the mind. . Am I only a thought?

11-28-2005, 04:28 PM	#5
Scuba Kid Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: RI Age: 17 Posts: 3,859 User Feedback: (1)	actually i don't think they are related to gars at all. they are known as a "false gar". i think you might get more info by searching needle nose gar though. __________________ Current setups: 1800 gallon koi pond, 10 gallon planted, 150 gallon reef, other FOWLR tanks

11-28-2005, 04:30 PM	#6
flamingo One Word: Croutons. Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Wisconsin Age: 16 Posts: 1,892 User Feedback: (2)	I don;t remmeber the exact site. Your best bet would be to search on google or something. Aqualandpetsplus.com has some pics on them. Go to they're gar page and they should be on it. You may be talking about something else than im thinking of because theres 3 different ones that are called asian needlenose fish __________________ Color exists only in the mind. . Am I only a thought?

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11-28-2005, 04:21 PM	#4
heatherhoge Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: broadview ht ohio Age: 33 Posts: 98 User Feedback: (0)	I am not sure of the scientific name I just know them as asian needle nose. I guess they are family to the gars. I haven't found any info on them breeding at all. Where did you find the info on the eggs? If a web or book let me know so I can see if we are talking about the same fish.

11-28-2005, 04:33 PM	#7
flamingo One Word: Croutons. Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Wisconsin Age: 16 Posts: 1,892 User Feedback: (2)	Yes tehy are a flase gar, I think they are more closely related to characins. Do you have any pics of them though? __________________ Color exists only in the mind. . Am I only a thought?

11-28-2005, 04:58 PM	#8
heatherhoge Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: broadview ht ohio Age: 33 Posts: 98 User Feedback: (0)	I have pix but don't know how to post the pix. I stink with computers. lol. I tryed to post pix but not working for me. I know I prob. doing it wrong but still working on it.

11-28-2005, 05:14 PM	#9
heatherhoge Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: broadview ht ohio Age: 33 Posts: 98 User Feedback: (0)	I attempted to attach the pix.

11-28-2005, 05:15 PM	#10
heatherhoge Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: broadview ht ohio Age: 33 Posts: 98 User Feedback: (0)	sorry didn't work.

11-28-2005, 05:49 PM	#11
Fishboy93 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ft. Myers, FL Age: 15 Posts: 658 User Feedback: (0)	Go to photobucket.com and put pics there then from there upload them using the img file Ex. [/IMG]http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a131/Fishboy93/FullAquariumPic.jpg is what it should look like and then the IMG on the end like up front. Anywho congrats on ur Needle noses __________________ 29 Gallon Reef

11-28-2005, 06:08 PM	#12
heatherhoge Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: broadview ht ohio Age: 33 Posts: 98 User Feedback: (0)	I checked out the web. I have to wait a while for it to activate. Soon as I can work with it I will try to insert pix again. Thanks for the advice.

11-28-2005, 06:15 PM	#13
Fishboy93 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ft. Myers, FL Age: 15 Posts: 658 User Feedback: (0)	Sure i wanna see the pics of ur fish __________________ 29 Gallon Reef

11-29-2005, 04:58 PM	#14
heatherhoge Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: broadview ht ohio Age: 33 Posts: 98 User Feedback: (0)	ok I think I got this pix thing going. The pix of the asian needle nose is not the best but hope you can make it out. Ok here goes my attempt Thanks for info on the website I like it!!

11-29-2005, 04:59 PM	#15
heatherhoge Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: broadview ht ohio Age: 33 Posts: 98 User Feedback: (0)	yaaaaaaaaaaaaaa I did it. lol

11-29-2005, 05:07 PM	#16
Scuba Kid Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: RI Age: 17 Posts: 3,859 User Feedback: (1)	look like needle nose gars to me, xenentodon cancila. they will get about a foot long i believe. they eat just about anything that fits into their mouth also, so be aware of that. __________________ Current setups: 1800 gallon koi pond, 10 gallon planted, 150 gallon reef, other FOWLR tanks

11-29-2005, 05:11 PM	#17
heatherhoge Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: broadview ht ohio Age: 33 Posts: 98 User Feedback: (0)	I had them for a while. They really are not pigish.lol They eat what they need. They don't eat till all feeders are gone. The biggest one eats about 6 feeder and wont even touch a feeder for 24 hours. If a fish is to big for their mouth they wont even try. It's amazing how they can size up the food with out even trying to eat it.

11-30-2005, 05:45 AM	#18
Cichlid Man Super moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,100 User Feedback: (0)	I like your fish, but that goldfish is too big for them. __________________ If you have a big enough tank with enough hiding places, pH of around 7, you can keep virtually any fish together as long as all the fish are around the same size and these two groups of fish are avioded: Serrasalmus Tetradon(figure eights and dwarfs are the exception). I keep a successful community of fish in a 4 foot tank including the following families: Cichlids, tetras, loaches, gouramis, barbs, rainbows, livebearers, killiefish, catfish, puffers.

11-30-2005, 05:50 AM	#19
flamingo One Word: Croutons. Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Wisconsin Age: 16 Posts: 1,892 User Feedback: (2)	Yep defintely xenentodon cancila.... Is that goldfish they're food? If so please don't ffed them that.... get them on some other fish or even better yet something like freeze dried krill. And yes some do get about a foot long. Most are around 9 inches though. __________________ Color exists only in the mind. . Am I only a thought?

11-30-2005, 06:18 AM	#20
heatherhoge Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: broadview ht ohio Age: 33 Posts: 98 User Feedback: (0)	LOL No they are not the feeders. They eat feeder guppies. I adopted these gold fish as a rescue from a friends who tank broke and now I am trying to find the 5 gold fish a home. We put them in this tank since there is only the needle noses in it and the water being a little warm I though would make these 5 hemerage but they are doing good. The gold do help keep the tank clean but they have to go. the needle noses wont eat frozen. Believe me I tried everything. So now they get guppies and rosey reds if store out of guppies. I also tried ghost shrimp and they wont even touch that. I also had this issue with stingrays. If they want live food they will starve them selves.

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