Iridecent Shark

SBDTHUR · 06-14-2007, 09:04 PM

Well, recently one of my 2 iridecent shark's passed away due to an unknown reason. But now his buddy, seem's to be looking for his friend. Like, he's been acting unusually, digging his head in the substrate, swimming up to the top. Live he never does. Im just afraid once he realizes that his friend has disappeared that he's going to become stressed out. These kind of catfish swim in a community and im just afraid he's going to become stressed and stop eating. Any suggestions? or do you think he will be just fine?

**Scuba Kid** · 06-14-2007, 09:10 PM

He may be acting strange for the same reason the other one died. Check your water parameters (ammonia, nitrite, nitrates) and you should do a water change to be safe. How long has this tank been set up? Is it cycled? How big is it? How big are the sharks?

SBDTHUR · 06-15-2007, 08:58 AM

Well the other one started laying on his side, in a corner of the tank, like he was stressed out. He is extremly active.

**Scuba Kid** · 06-15-2007, 11:13 AM

What about everything else I asked?

Its most likely a water quality problem if you can't see any sure signs of disease.

And FYI, Irridescent sharks get HUGE (3-4 FEET in length) and require enormous tanks.

SBDTHUR · 06-15-2007, 01:33 PM

Well, I think ill keep him until he get's bigger. He's only a small 2 1/2 inches right now. Plus as soon as he get's to one foot there are other place's I can take him to live.

**Scuba Kid** · 06-15-2007, 01:41 PM

an active 12 inch fish in a 29 gallon? i dont think so.

SBDTHUR · 06-15-2007, 01:45 PM

pH - 6.5
kH - 80
GH - 120
NitrIte - 1.0
NitrAte - 10

None of these look to bad, but I want to get Nitrite down? Any idea's how?

SBDTHUR · 06-15-2007, 01:51 PM

Trust me, Im gonna at least give him a while.

He's got a nice new home waiting for him next year in the form a 120 gallon tank. Or ill just take him to my aunt's heated pond. She has other catfish there.

bscman · 06-15-2007, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SBDTHUR

Well, I think ill keep him until he get's bigger. He's only a small 2 1/2 inches right now. Plus as soon as he get's to one foot there are other place's I can take him to live.

Unless you already have a HUGE tank for him to live, it's not going to be an easy task finding him a home.

Most hobbyists don't have room for a fish that large. Many pet stores won't take fish back for free, let alone for credit. Releasing it to the wild is a TERRIBLE idea. Keeping him in a small tank will stunt him and eventually lead to his (unhappy and untimely) death.

I know the "Well, he's small now...but I have a lot of time before I need to upgrade" speach well...and it rarely ever turns out like that.
Things like money, jobs, living situations, or even just falling out of the hobby can all lead to a big fish being stuck in a little tank. YOu should never have to say "I'll upgrade later, when he's bigger" because, more often that not, what you're really saying is "I'm not really ready to care for a fish this big...but I'll enjoy him while he's small, as he'll probably die before he gets big anyway"...which is all too true trying to keep a LARGE fish in a LITTLE tank.

Not trying to reprimand you for the way you're raising fish...simply suggesting you start looking for a new home NOW...because if you don't, you might never get one...and the fish will suffer.

redpaulhus · 06-15-2007, 01:55 PM

How long has the tank been setup ?
what's your ammonia level ?

It sounds like its not completely cycled (ie the biofilter isn't keeping up with the fish waste yet).
Could be too many fish too soon, or an overzealous overcleaning of the biofilter, etc

Change water and take some fish out until you have consistantly zero ammonia and nitrite.
Then add no more than 6 one-inch fish in any given month (so that your biofilter can catch up)

Don't buy IR sharks if you can't keep them as adults - they're not easy to find homes for -- unless you know somebody with a 10'x10' tank (a tank the size of most bedrooms) -- then you don't know somebody with a tank that can handle a 3' fish.
Would you say
"look at my cool rottweiler puppy, I'll give it away when its an unwanted 150lb adult ? "
how about
"check out my baby elephant, I'm sure somebody will want to house and feed it when its huge" ?

If you're not equiped to house an adult animal, its irrepsonsible to buy it. Would you put a baby rabbit in a hamster cage ?

flamingo · 06-15-2007, 01:57 PM

Really, at a foot long, it's almost impossible to get rid of a fish like that. Pacus, large catfish, plecos, they come up all the time- no one even takes one look at them.

redpaulhus · 06-15-2007, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SBDTHUR

Trust me, Im gonna at least give him a while.

He's got a nice new home waiting for him next year in the form a 120 gallon tank. (Savin Up!)

a 120g tank won't house an IR shark for a year.

SBDTHUR · 06-15-2007, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bscman

Unless you already have a HUGE tank for him to live, it's not going to be an easy task finding him a home.

Most hobbyists don't have room for a fish that large. Many pet stores won't take fish back for free, let alone for credit. Releasing it to the wild is a TERRIBLE idea. Keeping him in a small tank will stunt him and eventually lead to his (unhappy and untimely) death.

I know the "Well, he's small now...but I have a lot of time before I need to upgrade" speach well...and it rarely ever turns out like that.
Things like money, jobs, living situations, or even just falling out of the hobby can all lead to a big fish being stuck in a little tank. YOu should never have to say "I'll upgrade later, when he's bigger" because, more often that not, what you're really saying is "I'm not really ready to care for a fish this big...but I'll enjoy him while he's small, as he'll probably die before he gets big anyway"...which is all too true trying to keep a LARGE fish in a LITTLE tank.

Not trying to reprimand you for the way you're raising fish...simply suggesting you start looking for a new home NOW...because if you don't, you might never get one...and the fish will suffer.

Well it is a catfish, he can live in a heated pond. and seriously at this small he's got a long time to go.

SBDTHUR · 06-15-2007, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redpaulhus

a 120g tank won't house an IR shark for a year.

Hmm? I dont understand, he's not going to be 3-4 feet long, and if he is ill probably just move him to a pond. Or ill just get rid of him.

SBDTHUR · 06-15-2007, 02:06 PM

You guy's dont understand, I already have a new home for him. I am just keeping him with me until he's of size so he can live with the fish in that place. At his current size he would get eaten in minutes.

flamingo · 06-15-2007, 02:09 PM

http://bestfish.com/tour/960lunker.html
Tell that to bubba

SBDTHUR · 06-15-2007, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flamingo

http://bestfish.com/tour/960lunker.html
Tell that to bubba

Haha, the IR is the one at the bottom. But that is a HUGE fish.

flamingo · 06-15-2007, 02:13 PM

The one at the bottom is 2 feet, the one in the middle is just an albino form, and its about twice the size.

**Scuba Kid** · 06-15-2007, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SBDTHUR

Hmm? I dont understand, he's not going to be 3-4 feet long, and if he is ill probably just move him to a pond. Or ill just get rid of him.

Given the proper environment, he could very well get that large. And no, a 120 gallon tank is nowhere near large enough.

Now Im not understanding your story....you will be buying him a 120 gallon tank when he outgrows your tank, but you're also saying that he has a home to go to when he outgrows your tank....Which is it?

And a pond is no little thing. Where will you have a heated pond for him thats big enough?

SBDTHUR · 06-15-2007, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scuba Kid

Given the proper environment, he could very well get that large. And no, a 120 gallon tank is nowhere near large enough.

Now Im not understanding your story....you will be buying him a 120 gallon tank when he outgrows your tank, but you're also saying that he has a home to go to when he outgrows your tank....Which is it?

And a pond is no little thing. Where will you have a heated pond for him thats big enough?

If you read my other post.. I understand that a 120 is not big enough, it's not going to permenant. And my aunt has a 900 Gallon pond.. If im correct that should be large enough, if not then what should I do..

And about the ammonia, how can I lower that? I have a feeling that it's to high because one of my guppies just lost all of his color.

06-14-2007, 09:04 PM	#1
SBDTHUR is SBDTHUR Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Michigan Age: 15 Posts: 269	Iridecent Shark Well, recently one of my 2 iridecent shark's passed away due to an unknown reason. But now his buddy, seem's to be looking for his friend. Like, he's been acting unusually, digging his head in the substrate, swimming up to the top. Live he never does. Im just afraid once he realizes that his friend has disappeared that he's going to become stressed out. These kind of catfish swim in a community and im just afraid he's going to become stressed and stop eating. Any suggestions? or do you think he will be just fine? __________________ 29 Gallon 1 - Zebra Danio To come.. TL the Piranha (Sauromalus Sanchezi)

06-14-2007, 09:10 PM	#2
Scuba Kid Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: RI Age: 17 Posts: 4,160	He may be acting strange for the same reason the other one died. Check your water parameters (ammonia, nitrite, nitrates) and you should do a water change to be safe. How long has this tank been set up? Is it cycled? How big is it? How big are the sharks? __________________ Current setups: 1800 gallon koi pond, 10 gallon planted, 150 gallon reef, other FOWLR tanks

06-15-2007, 08:58 AM	#3
SBDTHUR is SBDTHUR Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Michigan Age: 15 Posts: 269	Well the other one started laying on his side, in a corner of the tank, like he was stressed out. He is extremly active. __________________ 29 Gallon 1 - Zebra Danio To come.. TL the Piranha (Sauromalus Sanchezi)

06-15-2007, 11:13 AM	#4
Scuba Kid Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: RI Age: 17 Posts: 4,160	What about everything else I asked? Its most likely a water quality problem if you can't see any sure signs of disease. And FYI, Irridescent sharks get HUGE (3-4 FEET in length) and require enormous tanks. __________________ Current setups: 1800 gallon koi pond, 10 gallon planted, 150 gallon reef, other FOWLR tanks

06-15-2007, 01:33 PM	#5
SBDTHUR is SBDTHUR Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Michigan Age: 15 Posts: 269	Well, I think ill keep him until he get's bigger. He's only a small 2 1/2 inches right now. Plus as soon as he get's to one foot there are other place's I can take him to live. __________________ 29 Gallon 1 - Zebra Danio To come.. TL the Piranha (Sauromalus Sanchezi)

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06-15-2007, 01:41 PM	#6
Scuba Kid Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: RI Age: 17 Posts: 4,160	an active 12 inch fish in a 29 gallon? i dont think so. __________________ Current setups: 1800 gallon koi pond, 10 gallon planted, 150 gallon reef, other FOWLR tanks

06-15-2007, 01:45 PM	#7
SBDTHUR is SBDTHUR Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Michigan Age: 15 Posts: 269	pH - 6.5 kH - 80 GH - 120 NitrIte - 1.0 NitrAte - 10 None of these look to bad, but I want to get Nitrite down? Any idea's how? __________________ 29 Gallon 1 - Zebra Danio To come.. TL the Piranha (Sauromalus Sanchezi)

06-15-2007, 01:51 PM	#8
SBDTHUR is SBDTHUR Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Michigan Age: 15 Posts: 269	Trust me, Im gonna at least give him a while. He's got a nice new home waiting for him next year in the form a 120 gallon tank. Or ill just take him to my aunt's heated pond. She has other catfish there. __________________ 29 Gallon 1 - Zebra Danio To come.. TL the Piranha (Sauromalus Sanchezi) Last edited by SBDTHUR; 06-15-2007 at 02:10 PM.

06-15-2007, 01:55 PM	#10
redpaulhus fishgeek Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Boston Age: 38 Posts: 452	How long has the tank been setup ? what's your ammonia level ? It sounds like its not completely cycled (ie the biofilter isn't keeping up with the fish waste yet). Could be too many fish too soon, or an overzealous overcleaning of the biofilter, etc Change water and take some fish out until you have consistantly zero ammonia and nitrite. Then add no more than 6 one-inch fish in any given month (so that your biofilter can catch up) Don't buy IR sharks if you can't keep them as adults - they're not easy to find homes for -- unless you know somebody with a 10'x10' tank (a tank the size of most bedrooms) -- then you don't know somebody with a tank that can handle a 3' fish. Would you say "look at my cool rottweiler puppy, I'll give it away when its an unwanted 150lb adult ? " how about "check out my baby elephant, I'm sure somebody will want to house and feed it when its huge" ? If you're not equiped to house an adult animal, its irrepsonsible to buy it. Would you put a baby rabbit in a hamster cage ? Last edited by redpaulhus; 06-15-2007 at 01:57 PM.

06-15-2007, 01:57 PM	#11
flamingo One Word: Croutons. Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Wisconsin Age: 17 Posts: 1,897	Really, at a foot long, it's almost impossible to get rid of a fish like that. Pacus, large catfish, plecos, they come up all the time- no one even takes one look at them. __________________ If you put "u" instead of typing out the actual, shocking, three letter word... i'm not going to read your ramblings. I'm so behind it's not even funny.

06-15-2007, 02:06 PM	#15
SBDTHUR is SBDTHUR Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Michigan Age: 15 Posts: 269	You guy's dont understand, I already have a new home for him. I am just keeping him with me until he's of size so he can live with the fish in that place. At his current size he would get eaten in minutes. __________________ 29 Gallon 1 - Zebra Danio To come.. TL the Piranha (Sauromalus Sanchezi)

06-15-2007, 02:09 PM	#16
flamingo One Word: Croutons. Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Wisconsin Age: 17 Posts: 1,897	http://bestfish.com/tour/960lunker.html Tell that to bubba __________________ If you put "u" instead of typing out the actual, shocking, three letter word... i'm not going to read your ramblings. I'm so behind it's not even funny.

06-15-2007, 02:13 PM	#18
flamingo One Word: Croutons. Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Wisconsin Age: 17 Posts: 1,897	The one at the bottom is 2 feet, the one in the middle is just an albino form, and its about twice the size. __________________ If you put "u" instead of typing out the actual, shocking, three letter word... i'm not going to read your ramblings. I'm so behind it's not even funny.

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