Cross breading

IloveCichlids · 09-18-2005, 11:30 PM

a couple of months ago I aquired a M and F royal blue pea**** from a friend, I put both in my 120. The female was fine but the male was very lathargic, sat at the bottom, did not swim much, and hardly ever ate. I decided to move move him to my 55 to recouperate and get better so I could stick him back on the big tank. He is doing a little better but will take a bit more time.

Well, while big daddy is away the female has been courted by just about all the males in the tank. She has been considerably friendly with my red empress. They have bread once and I stripped the eggs imediately, but then began to wonder what they would look like if aloud to mature to see some coloration. I realize this goes against everything myself and every other cichlid enthusiast believes in, but I can't help my curiosity. I would never sell or let these fish get into the hands of any one else! I guess I am doing all of this babbaling to see what you other cichlid fans think as they are about ready to work their magic again.

**Cichlid Man** · 09-19-2005, 02:35 PM

If you're going to keep them for yourself then that's OK, but letting them out into the aquatic circle isn't going to do any favours for anyone as you already said. The only exeption is if they are very colourful or have a unique pattern, if not they won't be worth much, but by all means go ahead and see what they look like.

**Osiris** · 09-19-2005, 02:52 PM

As he said ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You can sell them but make sure their listed as what hybrids they are........

Orbital · 09-19-2005, 05:42 PM

If you have any bigger haps, hybrids make good feeders.

Hamm35924 · 09-19-2005, 07:05 PM

sorry for the stupid question, but i dont know anything about cichlids, so why is it bad to crossbreed?

Orbital · 09-19-2005, 09:09 PM

Its not really bad if they are not released out to the public, but they are crossed with pure strains and destroy them. Alot of the fish you see at chain petstores marked as assorted cichlids are crosses. They may look pure, but have often times be crossed in the past making it even more confusing. Many people like to argue about this subject, but whatever. If you're going to breed fish, get them from a reliable source. Because alot of pet store strains of fish are already polluted with hybrid strains.

**Osiris** · 09-20-2005, 09:05 AM

Exactly^^ ^^^^^^^

AshleytheGreat · 09-20-2005, 03:30 PM

Wow, I guess majority of mine are hybrid

. Got most of 'em from the "Assorted cichlid" tank.

Orbital · 09-20-2005, 03:49 PM

Depending on where you got them, they could be. But if you aren't breeding them and they are just for enjoyment in your tanks, its not really an issue.

solar-ton · 09-20-2005, 04:04 PM

a good example is the midas,RD,and the citrenellum theyre so closely related that people mix them all the time

AshleytheGreat · 09-20-2005, 06:24 PM

I know examples of hybrids...

But all in all i guess i dont mind.

IloveCichlids · 09-28-2005, 01:49 AM

Correct me if I am wrong but I have heard that Eureka's are actually a recognized hybrid.

IloveCichlids · 11-09-2005, 12:23 AM

well my female is holding again, I think her and the empress worked it. Have not been home much lately to watch and see which one she had her little escapade with, but I guess we shall find out. will keep you posted on how things turn out.

IloveCichlids · 12-07-2006, 11:05 PM

It has been a while since I have even seen this post...

I have 2 survivors from the last batch of fry between the two fish that I talked about above. That is the last I will ever see as I do not have either fish anymore.

My largest of the two is really starting to color up nicely. I took a good look at the tank after work and I was amazed. I am going to give him a couple more days and then try to get a pic of him to post.

I am rather excited!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

super7 · 12-15-2006, 12:03 PM

how long does it take cichlid fry to colour once spat, no yolk sack remained when spat, rift lake

kay-bee · 12-15-2006, 04:00 PM

Depends on the species. Some are fully colored when released by the mother...while others develop coloration over time.

What type do you have?

kay-bee · 12-15-2006, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AshleytheGreat

Wow, I guess majority of mine are hybrid

. Got most of 'em from the "Assorted cichlid" tank.

Not necessarily. Assorted cichlid tanks can contain various species, as well as hybrids.

super7 · 02-04-2007, 03:29 PM

yellow lab x red zebra, it was an acciedent though, thought the lab was male had pointy dorsal and black on the anal fin, not old enough for the stache

09-18-2005, 11:30 PM	#1
IloveCichlids Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: St. Louis, MO Age: 29 Posts: 461	Cross breading a couple of months ago I aquired a M and F royal blue pea**** from a friend, I put both in my 120. The female was fine but the male was very lathargic, sat at the bottom, did not swim much, and hardly ever ate. I decided to move move him to my 55 to recouperate and get better so I could stick him back on the big tank. He is doing a little better but will take a bit more time. Well, while big daddy is away the female has been courted by just about all the males in the tank. She has been considerably friendly with my red empress. They have bread once and I stripped the eggs imediately, but then began to wonder what they would look like if aloud to mature to see some coloration. I realize this goes against everything myself and every other cichlid enthusiast believes in, but I can't help my curiosity. I would never sell or let these fish get into the hands of any one else! I guess I am doing all of this babbaling to see what you other cichlid fans think as they are about ready to work their magic again. __________________ When you feel like this... , just watch your fish, & have a tasty beverage (of your choice, I like Kool-Aid)!

09-19-2005, 02:35 PM	#2
Cichlid Man Super moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,095	If you're going to keep them for yourself then that's OK, but letting them out into the aquatic circle isn't going to do any favours for anyone as you already said. The only exeption is if they are very colourful or have a unique pattern, if not they won't be worth much, but by all means go ahead and see what they look like. __________________ If you have a big enough tank with enough hiding places, pH of around 7, you can keep virtually any fish together as long as all the fish are around the same size and these two groups of fish are avioded: Serrasalmus Tetradon(figure eights and dwarfs are the exception). I keep a successful community of fish in a 4 foot tank including the following families: Cichlids, tetras, loaches, gouramis, barbs, rainbows, livebearers, killiefish, catfish, puffers.

09-19-2005, 02:52 PM	#3
Osiris Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Wisconsin Age: 25 Posts: 3,814	As he said ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ You can sell them but make sure their listed as what hybrids they are........ __________________ Reality is for people who can't handle Science-Fiction

09-19-2005, 05:42 PM	#4
Orbital Pimpin' fish ain't easy Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Quad Cities, IA/IL Age: 30 Posts: 138	If you have any bigger haps, hybrids make good feeders. __________________

09-19-2005, 09:09 PM	#6
Orbital Pimpin' fish ain't easy Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Quad Cities, IA/IL Age: 30 Posts: 138	Its not really bad if they are not released out to the public, but they are crossed with pure strains and destroy them. Alot of the fish you see at chain petstores marked as assorted cichlids are crosses. They may look pure, but have often times be crossed in the past making it even more confusing. Many people like to argue about this subject, but whatever. If you're going to breed fish, get them from a reliable source. Because alot of pet store strains of fish are already polluted with hybrid strains. __________________ Last edited by Orbital; 09-19-2005 at 09:13 PM.

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09-19-2005, 07:05 PM	#5
Hamm35924 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Age: 16 Posts: 228	sorry for the stupid question, but i dont know anything about cichlids, so why is it bad to crossbreed?

09-20-2005, 09:05 AM	#7
Osiris Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Wisconsin Age: 25 Posts: 3,814	Exactly^^ ^^^^^^^ __________________ Reality is for people who can't handle Science-Fiction

09-20-2005, 03:30 PM	#8
AshleytheGreat Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mi Town Posts: 785	Wow, I guess majority of mine are hybrid . Got most of 'em from the "Assorted cichlid" tank. __________________ So let the haters hate, let the doubters doubt, I stand by my book, and my life, and I won't dignify this malarkey with any sort of further response.

09-20-2005, 03:49 PM	#9
Orbital Pimpin' fish ain't easy Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Quad Cities, IA/IL Age: 30 Posts: 138	Depending on where you got them, they could be. But if you aren't breeding them and they are just for enjoyment in your tanks, its not really an issue. __________________

09-20-2005, 04:04 PM	#10
solar-ton guardian of the sea Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: a tree Age: 16 Posts: 683	a good example is the midas,RD,and the citrenellum theyre so closely related that people mix them all the time __________________ minimum oscar tank size: 75 gallon for 2 a 125 goldfish can cause hith diesease! so dont feed them goldfish as a staple diet!

09-20-2005, 06:24 PM	#11
AshleytheGreat Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mi Town Posts: 785	I know examples of hybrids... But all in all i guess i dont mind. __________________ So let the haters hate, let the doubters doubt, I stand by my book, and my life, and I won't dignify this malarkey with any sort of further response.

09-28-2005, 01:49 AM	#12
IloveCichlids Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: St. Louis, MO Age: 29 Posts: 461	Correct me if I am wrong but I have heard that Eureka's are actually a recognized hybrid. __________________ When you feel like this... , just watch your fish, & have a tasty beverage (of your choice, I like Kool-Aid)!

11-09-2005, 12:23 AM	#13
IloveCichlids Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: St. Louis, MO Age: 29 Posts: 461	well my female is holding again, I think her and the empress worked it. Have not been home much lately to watch and see which one she had her little escapade with, but I guess we shall find out. will keep you posted on how things turn out. __________________ When you feel like this... , just watch your fish, & have a tasty beverage (of your choice, I like Kool-Aid)!

12-07-2006, 11:05 PM	#14
IloveCichlids Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: St. Louis, MO Age: 29 Posts: 461	It has been a while since I have even seen this post... I have 2 survivors from the last batch of fry between the two fish that I talked about above. That is the last I will ever see as I do not have either fish anymore. My largest of the two is really starting to color up nicely. I took a good look at the tank after work and I was amazed. I am going to give him a couple more days and then try to get a pic of him to post. I am rather excited!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! __________________ When you feel like this... , just watch your fish, & have a tasty beverage (of your choice, I like Kool-Aid)!

12-15-2006, 12:03 PM	#15
super7 Fishy Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Vancouver Posts: 27	how long does it take cichlid fry to colour once spat, no yolk sack remained when spat, rift lake

12-15-2006, 04:00 PM	#16
kay-bee Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Tampa, FL Age: 39 Posts: 79	Depends on the species. Some are fully colored when released by the mother...while others develop coloration over time. What type do you have?

02-04-2007, 03:29 PM	#18
super7 Fishy Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Vancouver Posts: 27	yellow lab x red zebra, it was an acciedent though, thought the lab was male had pointy dorsal and black on the anal fin, not old enough for the stache

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