What Kind of Ram is This?

dwool36 · 02-24-2006, 06:52 AM

This ram is supposed to be a blue ram, but it does not look like any of the pictures I have seen. Can anyone identify it?

**Damon** · 02-24-2006, 08:15 AM

Looks like a german ram to me. Not as colorful but could be young or stressed. Have you had them long?

**Osiris** · 02-24-2006, 08:20 AM

That's what i was thinking. German ram, think there's been a Ram craze lately!

**Damon** · 02-24-2006, 09:15 AM

Alas yes, and while its good that more people are getting into different fish, this also triggers the mass production of said fish causing poorer quality of stock.

dwool36 · 02-24-2006, 10:32 AM

I only have one. It is over 2 inches long and is thriving in 7.2 ph. He shows no signs of stress and is actually a little aggrssive towards other fish. He is alos eating very well. I have read a lot about rams, and his coloration (no black spot) and behavior goes against everything I have read.

**Damon** · 02-24-2006, 11:28 AM

He is also in water that he isn't used to. He's also by himself which they aren't used to either. Remember, they are cichlids and while peaceful as cichlids go, still a cichlid.

craftyflalady · 02-24-2006, 11:32 AM

I find my Blue Rams show the most color when there is a female around. So he just may be lonely.

dwool36 · 02-24-2006, 02:36 PM

Can you accurately sex rams by the black spot on their side? I read that a female will have some blue scales on the spot while males will remain totally black. Another question, will a german and gold ram cross? And how do you sex a gold ram? I have a gold ram in the tank with the german and they constantly stay together. The picture below is how I most often see them.

ron v · 02-24-2006, 02:57 PM

German ram/ gold ram are the same species, Mikrogeophagus ramirezi. So yes they will mate. It is not a cross. Not a hybrid.

dwool36 · 02-24-2006, 03:14 PM

What will the result be? Will they look like germans or golds?

ron v · 02-24-2006, 03:26 PM

Probable blue. May be a few golds, depending on genetics of the parents. BTW. To me thay are just rams or blue rams. I'm not sure why some people call them "German" rams. Maybe some were imported from Germany but they are from South America.

dwool36 · 02-24-2006, 03:31 PM

Funny you said that. I have wondered that myself but didn't want to ask...lol.

wtpdosa · 04-14-2006, 08:40 AM

It looks to me to be a cross between Golden and Blue Rams.
My reason is that the light body color leans more towards a Golden, but the black in the dorsal fin and intense orange face is more Blue.

I'm including a picture of my Golden to you can see why I'm thinking that it is a cross between.

case sensitive · 04-14-2006, 07:23 PM

looks like a blue to me. looks similar to mine when they were first introduced to my tank.

KRIBS · 04-16-2006, 12:12 PM

Its a low quality german blue ram.

02-24-2006, 06:52 AM	#1
dwool36 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Southern Indiana Posts: 312	What Kind of Ram is This? This ram is supposed to be a blue ram, but it does not look like any of the pictures I have seen. Can anyone identify it?

02-24-2006, 08:15 AM	#2
Damon Aquatic Naturalist Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dayton, Ohio Age: 32 Posts: 14,982	Looks like a german ram to me. Not as colorful but could be young or stressed. Have you had them long? __________________ For in much wisdom [is] much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow. Member of the AGA (Aquatic Gardner's Association) Member of the IBC (International Betta Congress)

02-24-2006, 08:20 AM	#3
Osiris Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Wisconsin Age: 25 Posts: 3,714	That's what i was thinking. German ram, think there's been a Ram craze lately! __________________ Reality is for people who can't handle Science-Fiction

02-24-2006, 09:15 AM	#4
Damon Aquatic Naturalist Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dayton, Ohio Age: 32 Posts: 14,982	Alas yes, and while its good that more people are getting into different fish, this also triggers the mass production of said fish causing poorer quality of stock. __________________ For in much wisdom [is] much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow. Member of the AGA (Aquatic Gardner's Association) Member of the IBC (International Betta Congress)

02-24-2006, 11:28 AM	#6
Damon Aquatic Naturalist Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dayton, Ohio Age: 32 Posts: 14,982	He is also in water that he isn't used to. He's also by himself which they aren't used to either. Remember, they are cichlids and while peaceful as cichlids go, still a cichlid. __________________ For in much wisdom [is] much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow. Member of the AGA (Aquatic Gardner's Association) Member of the IBC (International Betta Congress)

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02-24-2006, 10:32 AM	#5
dwool36 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Southern Indiana Posts: 312	I only have one. It is over 2 inches long and is thriving in 7.2 ph. He shows no signs of stress and is actually a little aggrssive towards other fish. He is alos eating very well. I have read a lot about rams, and his coloration (no black spot) and behavior goes against everything I have read.

02-24-2006, 11:32 AM	#7
craftyflalady Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Age: 50 Posts: 397	I find my Blue Rams show the most color when there is a female around. So he just may be lonely.

02-24-2006, 02:36 PM	#8
dwool36 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Southern Indiana Posts: 312	Can you accurately sex rams by the black spot on their side? I read that a female will have some blue scales on the spot while males will remain totally black. Another question, will a german and gold ram cross? And how do you sex a gold ram? I have a gold ram in the tank with the german and they constantly stay together. The picture below is how I most often see them.

02-24-2006, 02:57 PM	#9
ron v Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Alabama Age: 61 Posts: 1,123	German ram/ gold ram are the same species, Mikrogeophagus ramirezi. So yes they will mate. It is not a cross. Not a hybrid.

02-24-2006, 03:14 PM	#10
dwool36 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Southern Indiana Posts: 312	What will the result be? Will they look like germans or golds?

02-24-2006, 03:26 PM	#11
ron v Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Alabama Age: 61 Posts: 1,123	Probable blue. May be a few golds, depending on genetics of the parents. BTW. To me thay are just rams or blue rams. I'm not sure why some people call them "German" rams. Maybe some were imported from Germany but they are from South America.

02-24-2006, 03:31 PM	#12
dwool36 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Southern Indiana Posts: 312	Funny you said that. I have wondered that myself but didn't want to ask...lol.

04-14-2006, 08:40 AM	#13
wtpdosa New Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 15	Maybe a cross between a Golden and a Blue? It looks to me to be a cross between Golden and Blue Rams. My reason is that the light body color leans more towards a Golden, but the black in the dorsal fin and intense orange face is more Blue. I'm including a picture of my Golden to you can see why I'm thinking that it is a cross between. Attached Images __________________ Peace, Tom

04-14-2006, 07:23 PM	#14
case sensitive Fishy Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Age: 28 Posts: 17	looks like a blue to me. looks similar to mine when they were first introduced to my tank.

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04-16-2006, 12:12 PM	#15
KRIBS Fishy Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Age: 24 Posts: 25	Its a low quality german blue ram. __________________

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