Johanni Cichlids

dan20rhino · 04-22-2006, 01:15 PM

Hi

Ive recently purchased 5 Johanni Malawi cichlids, just wanting some info and tips regarding keeping and breeding them.

Pics below:

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dan20rhino · 04-23-2006, 09:02 AM

Few more photos

AshleytheGreat · 04-23-2006, 09:08 AM

Dang nice shots!

umm...for tips for keeping them
-The like a high PH like most africans ( 8.3 )
- Higher temp then most tropical fish (low 80's)
-They like a lot of rock

IDK anything about breeding but...i hear water changes help get them "in the mood"

dan20rhino · 04-23-2006, 09:29 AM

Thanks,

Ive only had them about a week so ill leave them to settle in before i try getting them in to the breeding mood. Not sure they are mature enough yet anyway to breed?

AshleytheGreat · 04-23-2006, 11:32 AM

Honestly I had no idea they came in yellow

Ive only seen blue ones. haha

dan20rhino · 04-23-2006, 12:18 PM

When they are young are they normally blue too? Ive read that they start off yellow and turn blue?

AshleytheGreat · 04-23-2006, 01:55 PM

Hahah no clue. Ill google it

Anyone want to jump in?? :P

AshleytheGreat · 04-23-2006, 02:03 PM

I think they all start off yellow and then turn blue?? not 100% sure

Kind of like M. auratus.

dan20rhino · 04-23-2006, 03:14 PM

Yeah i thought that too.....a couple of them have blue tints on them already perhaps these are the dominant males?

emc7 · 04-23-2006, 03:24 PM

The males turn blue, the females stay yellow. When the males are blue they are old enough to breed, Look for a pair going around in circles, followed by a lump in the female's chin.

dan20rhino · 04-23-2006, 04:03 PM

Emc have you kept and bred these?

At what age do the males reach maturity?

always35 · 04-23-2006, 04:14 PM

Hi m8
keep an eye on them because when a male becomes dominant he will terrorise other males you should keep 3 females to 1 male to keep the peace!
good luck

always

emc7 · 04-24-2006, 12:44 AM

Never had johanni, I raised Melanochromis vermivorous. Most fish in this genus are pretty similar. Like auratus, they are aggressive, so I agree with 35, try to keep a harem. If your tank is on the small side, the fish will eliminate the extra males for you. Remove any you find hiding in plants with no fins before they get killed. I think they start to breed around 3", but I haven't kept this particular fish. The ones with dark edges on the fins are more likely males. It looks like your tank has lots of hiding places, but you can't have too many for a fish like this.

**Cichlid Man** · 04-24-2006, 04:03 AM

The electic blue johannis you find in the shops are actually a different species. The true johanni males turn blue when breeding.

dan20rhino · 04-26-2006, 11:42 PM

Does anyone know the courtship ritual or breeding behaviour of these fish? Ive noticed a couple of times 2 fish swimming around in circles kind of underneath and over each other. Im not sure if this is territorial between 2 males of mating behaviour?

**Cichlid Man** · 04-27-2006, 05:18 AM

Males actually court females in the same aggrssive way as they display to rivals. If the male wants to mate, he'll invite a female into his cave/ space, if she's really to breed great, if not she'll be chased off.
The only difference with mating is there's a lot of shimmering which takes place.

dan20rhino · 04-27-2006, 08:34 AM

Do you think this is a male? Looks like it could be getting blue patches?

Georgia Peach · 04-27-2006, 08:59 AM

great looking fish!

dan20rhino · 05-03-2006, 11:26 AM

More recent pic of same fish

dan20rhino · 05-03-2006, 11:27 AM

Same fish, recent pic

04-22-2006, 01:15 PM	#1
dan20rhino Marine Biologist Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: England, Yorkshire Age: 26 Posts: 41	Johanni Cichlids Hi Ive recently purchased 5 Johanni Malawi cichlids, just wanting some info and tips regarding keeping and breeding them. Pics below: [/url]

04-23-2006, 09:08 AM	#3
AshleytheGreat Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mi Town Posts: 785	Dang nice shots! umm...for tips for keeping them -The like a high PH like most africans ( 8.3 ) - Higher temp then most tropical fish (low 80's) -They like a lot of rock IDK anything about breeding but...i hear water changes help get them "in the mood" __________________ So let the haters hate, let the doubters doubt, I stand by my book, and my life, and I won't dignify this malarkey with any sort of further response.

04-23-2006, 11:32 AM	#5
AshleytheGreat Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mi Town Posts: 785	Honestly I had no idea they came in yellow Ive only seen blue ones. haha __________________ So let the haters hate, let the doubters doubt, I stand by my book, and my life, and I won't dignify this malarkey with any sort of further response.

04-23-2006, 01:55 PM	#7
AshleytheGreat Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mi Town Posts: 785	Hahah no clue. Ill google it Anyone want to jump in?? :P __________________ So let the haters hate, let the doubters doubt, I stand by my book, and my life, and I won't dignify this malarkey with any sort of further response.

04-23-2006, 02:03 PM	#8
AshleytheGreat Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mi Town Posts: 785	I think they all start off yellow and then turn blue?? not 100% sure Kind of like M. auratus. __________________ So let the haters hate, let the doubters doubt, I stand by my book, and my life, and I won't dignify this malarkey with any sort of further response.

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04-23-2006, 09:02 AM	#2
dan20rhino Marine Biologist Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: England, Yorkshire Age: 26 Posts: 41	Few more photos

04-23-2006, 09:29 AM	#4
dan20rhino Marine Biologist Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: England, Yorkshire Age: 26 Posts: 41	Thanks, Ive only had them about a week so ill leave them to settle in before i try getting them in to the breeding mood. Not sure they are mature enough yet anyway to breed?

04-23-2006, 12:18 PM	#6
dan20rhino Marine Biologist Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: England, Yorkshire Age: 26 Posts: 41	When they are young are they normally blue too? Ive read that they start off yellow and turn blue?

04-23-2006, 03:14 PM	#9
dan20rhino Marine Biologist Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: England, Yorkshire Age: 26 Posts: 41	Yeah i thought that too.....a couple of them have blue tints on them already perhaps these are the dominant males?

04-23-2006, 03:24 PM	#10
emc7 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Johns Creek, GA Posts: 3,299	The males turn blue, the females stay yellow. When the males are blue they are old enough to breed, Look for a pair going around in circles, followed by a lump in the female's chin.

04-23-2006, 04:03 PM	#11
dan20rhino Marine Biologist Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: England, Yorkshire Age: 26 Posts: 41	Emc have you kept and bred these? At what age do the males reach maturity?

04-23-2006, 04:14 PM	#12
always35 Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: swansea wales uk Posts: 47	Hi m8 keep an eye on them because when a male becomes dominant he will terrorise other males you should keep 3 females to 1 male to keep the peace! good luck always

04-24-2006, 12:44 AM	#13
emc7 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Johns Creek, GA Posts: 3,299	Never had johanni, I raised Melanochromis vermivorous. Most fish in this genus are pretty similar. Like auratus, they are aggressive, so I agree with 35, try to keep a harem. If your tank is on the small side, the fish will eliminate the extra males for you. Remove any you find hiding in plants with no fins before they get killed. I think they start to breed around 3", but I haven't kept this particular fish. The ones with dark edges on the fins are more likely males. It looks like your tank has lots of hiding places, but you can't have too many for a fish like this.

04-24-2006, 04:03 AM	#14
Cichlid Man Super moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,100	The electic blue johannis you find in the shops are actually a different species. The true johanni males turn blue when breeding. __________________ If you have a big enough tank with enough hiding places, pH of around 7, you can keep virtually any fish together as long as all the fish are around the same size and these two groups of fish are avioded: Serrasalmus Tetradon(figure eights and dwarfs are the exception). I keep a successful community of fish in a 4 foot tank including the following families: Cichlids, tetras, loaches, gouramis, barbs, rainbows, livebearers, killiefish, catfish, puffers.

04-26-2006, 11:42 PM	#15
dan20rhino Marine Biologist Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: England, Yorkshire Age: 26 Posts: 41	Does anyone know the courtship ritual or breeding behaviour of these fish? Ive noticed a couple of times 2 fish swimming around in circles kind of underneath and over each other. Im not sure if this is territorial between 2 males of mating behaviour?

04-27-2006, 05:18 AM	#16
Cichlid Man Super moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,100	Males actually court females in the same aggrssive way as they display to rivals. If the male wants to mate, he'll invite a female into his cave/ space, if she's really to breed great, if not she'll be chased off. The only difference with mating is there's a lot of shimmering which takes place. __________________ If you have a big enough tank with enough hiding places, pH of around 7, you can keep virtually any fish together as long as all the fish are around the same size and these two groups of fish are avioded: Serrasalmus Tetradon(figure eights and dwarfs are the exception). I keep a successful community of fish in a 4 foot tank including the following families: Cichlids, tetras, loaches, gouramis, barbs, rainbows, livebearers, killiefish, catfish, puffers.

04-27-2006, 08:34 AM	#17
dan20rhino Marine Biologist Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: England, Yorkshire Age: 26 Posts: 41	Do you think this is a male? Looks like it could be getting blue patches?

04-27-2006, 08:59 AM	#18
Georgia Peach Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Gray, Georgia Age: 42 Posts: 1,610	great looking fish! __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Cichlids have more personality than most people I know !*

05-03-2006, 11:26 AM	#19
dan20rhino Marine Biologist Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: England, Yorkshire Age: 26 Posts: 41	More recent pic of same fish

05-03-2006, 11:27 AM	#20
dan20rhino Marine Biologist Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: England, Yorkshire Age: 26 Posts: 41	Same fish, recent pic

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