Treating a Planted Tank with Ick

Humpy · 12-19-2006, 05:52 PM

hey i have a 20g planted tank with 10 cardinal tetras and 8 black neon tetras. I have had the cardinals for about 2weeks. Just the other day I noticed some of the cardinals have ick. I started treating the tank with Quick Cure but I've heard that it is not good for the plants. Today allthe cardinals have ick and a couple of the black neons do to. Is there a better treatment that will be better for my plants? Or is there a better way to treat it with more success? I am more worried about the fish then the plants ( i only spent $5 on the plants, the rest are trimmings). Please help me!

**JustOneMore20** · 12-19-2006, 06:36 PM

I am not sure about Quick Cure, but I have personally used Kent's Marine RX-P (safe for FW too) and Kordon's Ich Attack (its supposedly all natural) in my 55g planted without any affect on the plants. The RX-P was most effective and got rid of the ich faster. If the Quick Cure seems to affect the plants in your tank, you could try to locate RX-P. It is a SW med, but it was recommended to me by someone that used it with Discus fry and I have had good luck using it in FW.

Humpy · 12-19-2006, 06:39 PM

is the salt method okay for planted tanks?

Puffer Pita · 12-19-2006, 06:43 PM

Salt method is fine for planted tanks. Chemicals should be avoided.

Humpy · 12-19-2006, 06:48 PM

so is it regular table salt i add? and is it 1 tablespoon per 5g?

I read something that said i should do water changes everyday to get any ick swimming in the water out. So should i change 25% of the water daily and replace the salt for 5g?

Puffer Pita · 12-19-2006, 07:12 PM

Any salt will do, table is fine. Yes, 1 tablespoon per 5 gallons. Do a water change first, then add the salt (make sure its completely dissolved in declorinated water before adding it to the tank, salt granules will burn the fish's gills). Wait a week before doing any water change. When you do, vacuum the gravel thoroughly, then add just enough salt to treat the water you are replacing (top off any evaporated water before you start the water change). Treat for at least 14 days, even if you don't see anymore spots on the fish.

Humpy · 12-19-2006, 07:32 PM

okay i will do a 50% water change right away. The temp is already set at 84, so i will add 4 tablespoons of tablesalt and then just watch and wait for week.

Puffer Pita · 12-19-2006, 07:48 PM

Sounds like a plan. Good luck!

Humpy · 12-19-2006, 07:49 PM

okay thanx for the help i will let ya know how it goes

**Damon** · 12-20-2006, 10:03 AM

A QT tank is the best method for treating.......

Puffer Pita · 12-20-2006, 11:43 AM

I disagree, the whole tank should be treated or the ich will remain in the tank.

Humpy · 12-20-2006, 01:42 PM

either way i dont have another tank

PlatyLady · 12-20-2006, 05:31 PM

if you're using table salt, I would probably use NON Iodized salt, as I've heard that the iodine isn't good for a tank. if it were me, I'd just go buy some aquarium salt, it's pretty inexpensive. personally, I've always had good luck with Wardley's ich treatment. I know some people are absolutely opposed to chemicals, but I've never had a problem using them as long as I follow the directions on the bottle.

Puffer Pita · 12-20-2006, 05:36 PM

Table salt is fine. There isn't enough iodine in it to harm anything. The fish would be pickled in brine before there was enough iodine or anti-caking stuff to hurt them.

Humpy · 12-21-2006, 08:36 AM

y so my abttle with ick hs claimed its first victim. I woke up this morningd found one of my cardinals stuck the filter. I removed him. I observed the fish closely and noticed about 6 Black Neons look fine with no spots, 1 cardinal and one black neon have it real bad like covered in ick.
I also noticed that a couple of the cardinals are missing part of there back fins. Is this from fin rot or from something else?

The temp is still at 85F im hoping i see some progress soon

**Damon** · 12-21-2006, 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boxermom

I disagree, the whole tank should be treated or the ich will remain in the tank.

Any why would you believe this? Ich cant live in a tank without fish. If the fish are moved to a qt and treated properly, the ich will disappear.

http://www.aquahobby.com/articles/e_ich.php

Humpy · 12-21-2006, 10:24 AM

well after returning from the store i have found 2 mopre cardinlas stuck to the filter. Which means im down 3. I bought melafix and added it to the tank, hopefully this will help with there fin rot

Humpy · 12-21-2006, 10:06 PM

well i checked again tonight and had 4 more died. only got 3 cardinals left. i suspect they will be floating in the morning. My black neons are all fine except one of them. I think they will all live. Cardinal i knew were senseitive but i thought i would give it a try. I tihnk i will replace the cardinals with rasboras

Puffer Pita · 12-22-2006, 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damon

Any why would you believe this? Ich cant live in a tank without fish. If the fish are moved to a qt and treated properly, the ich will disappear.

http://www.aquahobby.com/articles/e_ich.php

Oh, if you are suggesting removing ALL of the fish to a QT/hospital tank for treatment and let the main tank go fallow, then yes, I would agree with you. I thought you were just saying to treat the afflicted fish in a QT/hospital tank and leave the rest in the main tank.

mousey · 12-22-2006, 09:30 PM

is that tank cycled or are you running high ammonia too? Did you check the ammonia and nitrite?
You can get a small rubbermaid tote to treat fish in for a Q tank and get a small filter to run in it.

12-19-2006, 05:52 PM	#1
Humpy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 167	Treating a Planted Tank with Ick hey i have a 20g planted tank with 10 cardinal tetras and 8 black neon tetras. I have had the cardinals for about 2weeks. Just the other day I noticed some of the cardinals have ick. I started treating the tank with Quick Cure but I've heard that it is not good for the plants. Today allthe cardinals have ick and a couple of the black neons do to. Is there a better treatment that will be better for my plants? Or is there a better way to treat it with more success? I am more worried about the fish then the plants ( i only spent $5 on the plants, the rest are trimmings). Please help me!

12-19-2006, 06:36 PM	#2
JustOneMore20 Moderator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Alabama, US Age: 22 Posts: 3,487	I am not sure about Quick Cure, but I have personally used Kent's Marine RX-P (safe for FW too) and Kordon's Ich Attack (its supposedly all natural) in my 55g planted without any affect on the plants. The RX-P was most effective and got rid of the ich faster. If the Quick Cure seems to affect the plants in your tank, you could try to locate RX-P. It is a SW med, but it was recommended to me by someone that used it with Discus fry and I have had good luck using it in FW. __________________ *Kristin* 5 Planted tanks: 55g, 40g, 29g, 10g, 5.5g 10g N. multifasciatus tank, 5.5g Platy fry

12-19-2006, 06:43 PM	#4
Puffer Pita Puffer Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,677	Salt method is fine for planted tanks. Chemicals should be avoided. __________________ Tina Puffers: Auriglobus silus x2 Colomesus asellus x1 Tetraodon travancoricus x1 Tetraodon biocellatus x2 Tetraodon nigroviridis x1 Tetraodon baileyi x2 Tetraodon lineatus x1 Tetraodon palembangensis x1 The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way in which its animals are treated. - Mohandas Gandhi

12-19-2006, 06:48 PM	#5
Humpy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 167	so is it regular table salt i add? and is it 1 tablespoon per 5g? I read something that said i should do water changes everyday to get any ick swimming in the water out. So should i change 25% of the water daily and replace the salt for 5g? Last edited by Humpy; 12-19-2006 at 07:06 PM.

12-19-2006, 07:12 PM	#6
Puffer Pita Puffer Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,677	Any salt will do, table is fine. Yes, 1 tablespoon per 5 gallons. Do a water change first, then add the salt (make sure its completely dissolved in declorinated water before adding it to the tank, salt granules will burn the fish's gills). Wait a week before doing any water change. When you do, vacuum the gravel thoroughly, then add just enough salt to treat the water you are replacing (top off any evaporated water before you start the water change). Treat for at least 14 days, even if you don't see anymore spots on the fish. __________________ Tina Puffers: Auriglobus silus x2 Colomesus asellus x1 Tetraodon travancoricus x1 Tetraodon biocellatus x2 Tetraodon nigroviridis x1 Tetraodon baileyi x2 Tetraodon lineatus x1 Tetraodon palembangensis x1 The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way in which its animals are treated. - Mohandas Gandhi

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12-19-2006, 06:39 PM	#3
Humpy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 167	is the salt method okay for planted tanks?

12-19-2006, 07:32 PM	#7
Humpy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 167	okay i will do a 50% water change right away. The temp is already set at 84, so i will add 4 tablespoons of tablesalt and then just watch and wait for week.

12-19-2006, 07:48 PM	#8
Puffer Pita Puffer Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,677	Sounds like a plan. Good luck! __________________ Tina Puffers: Auriglobus silus x2 Colomesus asellus x1 Tetraodon travancoricus x1 Tetraodon biocellatus x2 Tetraodon nigroviridis x1 Tetraodon baileyi x2 Tetraodon lineatus x1 Tetraodon palembangensis x1 The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way in which its animals are treated. - Mohandas Gandhi

12-19-2006, 07:49 PM	#9
Humpy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 167	okay thanx for the help i will let ya know how it goes

12-20-2006, 10:03 AM	#10
Damon Aquatic Naturalist Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dayton, Ohio Age: 32 Posts: 14,982	A QT tank is the best method for treating....... __________________ For in much wisdom [is] much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow. Member of the AGA (Aquatic Gardner's Association) Member of the IBC (International Betta Congress)

12-20-2006, 11:43 AM	#11
Puffer Pita Puffer Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,677	I disagree, the whole tank should be treated or the ich will remain in the tank. __________________ Tina Puffers: Auriglobus silus x2 Colomesus asellus x1 Tetraodon travancoricus x1 Tetraodon biocellatus x2 Tetraodon nigroviridis x1 Tetraodon baileyi x2 Tetraodon lineatus x1 Tetraodon palembangensis x1 The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way in which its animals are treated. - Mohandas Gandhi

12-20-2006, 01:42 PM	#12
Humpy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 167	either way i dont have another tank

12-20-2006, 05:31 PM	#13
PlatyLady Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Antioch/Bloomington-Normal, IL Age: 20 Posts: 74	if you're using table salt, I would probably use NON Iodized salt, as I've heard that the iodine isn't good for a tank. if it were me, I'd just go buy some aquarium salt, it's pretty inexpensive. personally, I've always had good luck with Wardley's ich treatment. I know some people are absolutely opposed to chemicals, but I've never had a problem using them as long as I follow the directions on the bottle. __________________ 10 Gallon Freshwater Community: 2 Platies 3 GloFish Zebra Danios 3 Coreys (1 Albino, 1 Paleatus, 1 Green Aneus) 1 Golden Algae Eater

12-20-2006, 05:36 PM	#14
Puffer Pita Puffer Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,677	Table salt is fine. There isn't enough iodine in it to harm anything. The fish would be pickled in brine before there was enough iodine or anti-caking stuff to hurt them. __________________ Tina Puffers: Auriglobus silus x2 Colomesus asellus x1 Tetraodon travancoricus x1 Tetraodon biocellatus x2 Tetraodon nigroviridis x1 Tetraodon baileyi x2 Tetraodon lineatus x1 Tetraodon palembangensis x1 The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way in which its animals are treated. - Mohandas Gandhi

12-21-2006, 08:36 AM	#15
Humpy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 167	y so my abttle with ick hs claimed its first victim. I woke up this morningd found one of my cardinals stuck the filter. I removed him. I observed the fish closely and noticed about 6 Black Neons look fine with no spots, 1 cardinal and one black neon have it real bad like covered in ick. I also noticed that a couple of the cardinals are missing part of there back fins. Is this from fin rot or from something else? The temp is still at 85F im hoping i see some progress soon

12-21-2006, 10:24 AM	#17
Humpy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 167	well after returning from the store i have found 2 mopre cardinlas stuck to the filter. Which means im down 3. I bought melafix and added it to the tank, hopefully this will help with there fin rot

12-21-2006, 10:06 PM	#18
Humpy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 167	well i checked again tonight and had 4 more died. only got 3 cardinals left. i suspect they will be floating in the morning. My black neons are all fine except one of them. I think they will all live. Cardinal i knew were senseitive but i thought i would give it a try. I tihnk i will replace the cardinals with rasboras

12-22-2006, 09:30 PM	#20
mousey Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 790	is that tank cycled or are you running high ammonia too? Did you check the ammonia and nitrite? You can get a small rubbermaid tote to treat fish in for a Q tank and get a small filter to run in it.

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