Emergency!!!!!!!!!

[guppyart]

hexagons have extremely low oxygen content so thats actually bad for angels.
tall tanks with lots of swimming space is good not tall narrow suffocating tanks like a hex.

if you had just listened to theoldsalt you would have been fine and learned.
several people said listen to TOS cause we know that he knows his stuff.

just cause your young doesn't give you an excuse. we have several members your age that give "and" take advice maturely without a problem.

you just need to listen to the people that do know what there talking about.

on this forum TOS is one of the most trusted members for knowledge on stuff so take his advice.

and like post #13 states copper doesn't really help so that anwsers your question.

no you havn't been calm, you have been all knowing and shooting down what he told you like you hadn't even taken the time of day to read his posts..
proven by his response post #5

and yes I am being mean but only cause you havn't been listening from the start when several of us warned you in chat awhile back that your tank was going to have problems.

and I kept convicts for 2 years you have barely started it seems, there hyper agressive there is no getting around that, its in there genetics, they will beat fish dead twice there size if they need to.


PLEASE READ THIS
now it would help if you googled eye flukes and looked for a possible cure, then come back here post what the options you can find about treatement and hopefully someone can tell you which will be most effective and save your fish

[Kribensis12]

I have never heard about the whole, Hex has low oxygen content thing. I will defo have to google it. I said i was young, as since im young, i take everything into aspect,and i am almost garuenteed to mess up since i dont have alot od fish disease experience. I do know what im talking about, just not with diseases. If CopperSafe dosent help, then why did it rid my molly of ich, an dmy Angelfish of Anchor Worm? I have too been calm. Would you please give me a example when i wasnt calm? I havent been all knowing, i have just heard very controdictive stuff before i joined here, so i have taken everything into aspect. As far as im concernd there is never a good reason for being mean. How was i to prevent the bad thing's that were going to happen? No one ever said, do this and you ont have any problem's.

Here is what i got off google: The eye fluke has a complex life cycle with a water snail (Lymnaea) acting as one of the intermediate hosts. Larval parasites - cercariae - are released from the snails and actively seek out fish which act as the second intermediate host and it is this invasion of cercariae which can cause such extensive damage in the fish. The snails can release millions of cercariae over a very short period of time resulting in an overwhelming invasion of the fish. The cercariae mostly penetrate through the flank of the fish, often along the lateral line and this can be seen grossly as extensive haemorrhagic lesions and, if you run your finger over the flank of the fish you can feel a rough, sandpaper-like, effect where the parasites enter the skin.

Quite frequently a farmer will see fish affected with an acute haemorrhagic syndrome and assume it is a serious bacterial infection and some outbreaks have certainly been mistaken for bacterial disease in the past. On it's migration through the tissues of the fish to it's final destination in the eye, the parasites cause severe damage and this results in the affected fish swimming abnormally (often side swimming), becoming dark, lethargic, off their food and often rapidly developing serious spinal deformities. There is a rapid escalation of fish losses due to this extensive tissue damage. The parasites move quickly through the fish to the eye and the microscopic examination of fresh eye squashes will show high levels of the fluke - in fact, if you still have good eyesight yourself, the flukes are visible to the naked eye when you squash a fish eye onto a microscope slide. Surviving fish are often in a very poor state, susceptible to secondary fungal and bacterial disease and frequently totally blind.

Now, this started happening after i add a new plant with alot of snail's on it( the plant was to add oxygen). My lfs did think this was bacterial, as i stated. The affected fish have become very dark, something i forgot to mention. I also noticed that before they die, the are swimming sideway's against the glass. This does sound like Eye Fluke's. I havent found a good site ye tthat gives a treatment! Any Help?

EDIT: The only website i can find that tell's you what to treat it with said to treat it with : Praziquantel or De-Los. Niether are availble here.

[guppyart]

as TOS mentioned copper is very bad stuff to add with bacterial problems.
it sounds more like your having a couple problems and not sure flukes.
and its cause of overstocking your tank.

and if you knew what you were talking about you wouldn't have 100+ 1/2inch convicts in a 20g.

now I am done arguing its a waste of my time I will try and check some books and see if I can find any helpful info alright.

but right now I suggest something like 20% water change a day to try and keep your fish alive
water changes are always good

[Kribensis12]

What about the med? I do know what im doing, but as i said, i was going many water change's so nothing bad happend. Im not surprised as to the cause of this. As i have a few extra( like 20) con's in my 30g( by sccident) and they havent had problem's. I am trying to catch them, but it is near impossible, an dthey havnet had any confrontation's with the angle or livebearer's, yet.. So, would i need another med? Im tired of medicating!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That owuld be nice if you checked some book's.

[guppyart]

in the stickies in this section were many helpful sites..

Flukes

Symptoms: The fish scrapes itself against objects, rapid gill movement, mucus covering the gills or body, the gills or fins may be eaten away, the skin may become reddened.

There are many species of flukes, which are flatworms about 1 mm long, and several symptoms that are visible. They infest gills and skin much like ich, but the difference can be seen with a hand lens. You should be able to see movement and possibly eye spots, which is not found in ich. Gill flukes will eventually destroy the gills thus killing the fish. Symptoms of a heavy infestations are pale fish with drooping fins, rapid respiration, glancing off aquarium decor, and /or hollow bellies.
Treatment can best be done with a 10 to 30 minute bath in 10 mg per liter of potassium permanganate. Or treat the whole tank with 2 mg per liter, but this method is messy and dyes the water



does that sound like what you got?

[Kribensis12]

Thank's!!!!!!!!! I read one of my medicine bottles called Quick Cure. It said that it take's care of MILD FLUKE OUTBREAK'S. Would my case be considerd mild? I culled about 50+babies. I have around 50 left. I only keep the biggest, healiest looking one's. It appear's that i have some up in a inch in length. They became free-swimming on Thank'sgiving, so im guessing they are growing pretty fast? I hef them Baby Brine Shrimp and Beefheart when they were younger. I took ever ornament out of the tank, so it is easier to clean.

[TheOldSalt]

The very reason there are so many different kids of fish medicines is that it takes a bunch of different kinds to get rid of a bunch of different kinds of diseases.
QuickCure has formalin in it. That will help against ick and flukes. It won't help a whole lot, but it will help some.
If you can't get some Clout, then look for Fluke-tabs. They're cheap and usually easy enough to get.
Even better, go to Walmart and look for Jungle's "Parasite Clear" fizz-tabs. Those are good for lots of things, and they even have praziquantel in them. In fact, it always pays to keep some of these around since they're made for times like this when you need something that does a lot against a lot because you don't know what your problem is for sure. They're cheap, too.
Yes, that's the best recommendation I can give you at this point, I think.

[Kribensis12]

I will see what i cna do. I am treating with the Quick Cure for now. And will do a water change in 2 day's. I saw only 1 sick convict's, which i netted and threw away. All other one's look vibrant and healthy. I am hoping th eones i didnt cull will make it, they do look like they will though!!!!!!!!!!!!

[guppyart]

how are you culling the fish?

[Kribensis12]

I put them in a bucket, and i added some clove oil. I was going to dump them in the snow, but i heard that clove oil is better. They died in aorund 10 second's at the most.

[Kribensis12]

They seem fine, i have only seen 1 sick one, but it might have been one that i missed in the begining. I culled it today. Also, im doing a water change tommorow.

[Kribensis12]

I have lost about 5 more babies. I have noticed that their eyes are big and black with a white middle. A litte different than last time? What could this be?

[TheOldSalt]

That's just abrasion if a few of them have that, and a widespread infection if they all have it.

[Kribensis12]

Thanks for the reply! Should i Bleach and everything like i advised, or cull them all and start over with something appropiate for the tank size?

[Kribensis12]

I did a 85% water change, and i culled all the babies that were left. I am letting the tank sit for a week, and i am treating with a double dose of pimafix. After treatment, i will do a 75% wtaer change, and add a danio, and see if the disease is gone.

[Jessi and Greg]

you guys are all pretty harsh in here!

[Jessi and Greg]

does anyone know what could cause white abbssess on my twig catfish??

[emc7]

Start a new thread, this ones a month old. Do you mean harsh to the poster or harsh in culling the fry. It is harsh, but better than watching them die slowly from disease or poor water quality.

[Jessi and Greg]

I odn't know how to start a new thread. I just started and I'm just trying to figure out what's wrong with my fish!

[emc7]

Click on a category, then click the 'new topic' button on the left above the list of posts. You should post a list of tank size, occupants, water parameters (pH, ammonia, nitrite, nitrate) since that is the first thing you will asked. No, we're not mean, most sick fish are because of water quality issues. And fish with bad water don't recover even if medicated properly.
Pictures are helpful. Post to 3rd party site like Picassa or Photobucket and link with the little landscape picture icon.