Tumor/wart like thing

fishfreaks · 07-26-2005, 12:31 PM

I am posting this question for my brother. For probably about 2 months now his gar has had a "tumor" or a "wart" (that is the way he described it to me) he said he tried melafix but that didnt help, i believe he also mentioned something else he tried, i dont remember the name of but that didnt work either he said. Any suggestions for him? I was absolutly clueless to give him any more suggestions.

**Cichlid Man** · 07-26-2005, 04:13 PM

What does this "tumor" look like? Is in inflamed and petruding, or skin colour and smooth?

**TheOldSalt** · 07-26-2005, 06:00 PM

It probably IS a tumor or wart. If a wart, it's caused by a virus, and the condition is called Lymphocystis. It's harmless, and just like any other wart, it eventually goes away.
If the wart is not red, and looks lind of like a bit of cauliflower, then it's just a wart. It it IS red & smooth, then it's either a different kind of cyst ( like from a worm ), a boil (infection ), some other infection, or yes, even a tumor. Gars aren't especially prone to tumors, though, having the advantage of being an ancient group which, like sharks, weeded out most cancer genes long ago. As such it's probably something else.

Another possibility is fish pox, but that's pretty unlikely.

In any case, Melafix should prove utterly worthless. A thorough tank cleaning can help prevent the spread of the virus or fight the infection.

fishfreaks · 07-26-2005, 06:49 PM

thanks for the info, ill have to call him tomorrow and find out exactly what it looks like. He usually comes up to my house, I dont usually go down to his so i cant tell you for myself. I'll also tell him to start cleaning

**Baby_Baby** · 07-27-2005, 09:02 AM

I'll see what I can find on the internet.

**fish_doc** · 07-27-2005, 08:32 PM

Ocasionally fish can get what look like zits on fins. These are usually nothing more than a genetic thing. If you remember - Ask if it is on the body or fins.

fishfreaks · 07-28-2005, 04:49 AM

well as cichlid man said, my bro says that it is inflamed and protruding, its on the right side, not on the fin. i forgot to ask him though what the name of the other stuff he treated with.

fishfreaks · 07-31-2005, 07:11 PM

ok, so i saw my brother today, and he says they look exactly like warts, and they are all over his fish now, the fins and body and that its not affecting any of the other fish. he also mentioned that now there is red through his fins, and that the one "wart" popped. he said he treated with melafix and pimafix. i asked him if he did it together and he said no.

**fish_doc** · 07-31-2005, 08:26 PM

Red in fins is a sign of high ammonia.

It sounds like it could be Lymphocystis. This is typically caused by a virus and equivalent to a wart, characterized by the formation of a grayish white, irregular growth anywhere on the body but especially on the fins; treatable only with antiviral drugs

fishfreaks · 08-01-2005, 05:50 AM

alright, thanks fishdoc, i'll let him know. I asked him if he tried the net and he said no.

**Baby_Baby** · 08-03-2005, 08:58 PM

I'll look up some info on Lymphocystis for you.

**TheOldSalt** · 08-03-2005, 10:58 PM

I don't think that's it. It's spreading too fast and there is too much redness.
It's likely fish pox after all, unless that fish is full of little worms which have decided it's time to burst out of their host.
Fish pox is viral, but it doesn't do any real harm and it doesn't tend to spread. A good tank cleaning and a bit of warmth will usually clear it right up without super expensive drugs which usually don't work anyway.
Does this gar eat feeder goldfish? That's the most likely source of fish pox.

fishfreaks · 08-04-2005, 05:23 AM

yeah im pretty sure he feeds them feeders. i dont know about the worms thing, he never said anything to me about. i'll tell him your opinion oldsalt. i think he told me before he keeps it at 74 degrees? we keep ours at 78, should i have him raise the temp. to there, or go higher? Sounds as if he needs me over there to do a cleaning for him

lol

**Baby_Baby** · 08-04-2005, 11:24 AM

http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/...phocystis.html

http://www.worldoffish.com/aquanotes_html/an_sick.html

**Baby_Baby** · 08-21-2005, 06:12 PM

so, fishfreaks, what did it turn out to be exactly?

fishfreaks · 08-22-2005, 05:47 AM

i asked him a few days ago if he looked up fish pox yet and he said yeah. then he was here and i showed him this post. He also told me the people at the fish store had absolutly no idea what it could be...HAHA! Then i talked to his g/f about it and she said he only has one left on his side, but that they need to do a waterchange...lol what else is new!

**TheOldSalt** · 08-22-2005, 09:35 AM

If it's finally clearing up, then don't do anything but cleanups. Raising the water temperature can help speed things up, but since this is probably a North American gar, 78 is as high as he'd want to go.

07-26-2005, 12:31 PM	#1
fishfreaks M&F Couple Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: PA Age: 21 Posts: 4,303	Tumor/wart like thing I am posting this question for my brother. For probably about 2 months now his gar has had a "tumor" or a "wart" (that is the way he described it to me) he said he tried melafix but that didnt help, i believe he also mentioned something else he tried, i dont remember the name of but that didnt work either he said. Any suggestions for him? I was absolutly clueless to give him any more suggestions. __________________ VOTE FOR FISH FORUMS

07-26-2005, 04:13 PM	#2
Cichlid Man Super moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,100	What does this "tumor" look like? Is in inflamed and petruding, or skin colour and smooth? __________________ If you have a big enough tank with enough hiding places, pH of around 7, you can keep virtually any fish together as long as all the fish are around the same size and these two groups of fish are avioded: Serrasalmus Tetradon(figure eights and dwarfs are the exception). I keep a successful community of fish in a 4 foot tank including the following families: Cichlids, tetras, loaches, gouramis, barbs, rainbows, livebearers, killiefish, catfish, puffers.

07-26-2005, 06:49 PM	#4
fishfreaks M&F Couple Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: PA Age: 21 Posts: 4,303	thanks for the info, ill have to call him tomorrow and find out exactly what it looks like. He usually comes up to my house, I dont usually go down to his so i cant tell you for myself. I'll also tell him to start cleaning __________________ VOTE FOR FISH FORUMS

07-27-2005, 09:02 AM	#5
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07-27-2005, 08:32 PM	#6
fish_doc Advisor to Neptune (Mod) Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Northern Illinois Age: 40 Posts: 3,835	Ocasionally fish can get what look like zits on fins. These are usually nothing more than a genetic thing. If you remember - Ask if it is on the body or fins. __________________ Dave (fish_doc) A World of fish

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07-26-2005, 06:00 PM	#3
TheOldSalt Darth Ichthyos Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,360	It probably IS a tumor or wart. If a wart, it's caused by a virus, and the condition is called Lymphocystis. It's harmless, and just like any other wart, it eventually goes away. If the wart is not red, and looks lind of like a bit of cauliflower, then it's just a wart. It it IS red & smooth, then it's either a different kind of cyst ( like from a worm ), a boil (infection ), some other infection, or yes, even a tumor. Gars aren't especially prone to tumors, though, having the advantage of being an ancient group which, like sharks, weeded out most cancer genes long ago. As such it's probably something else. Another possibility is fish pox, but that's pretty unlikely. In any case, Melafix should prove utterly worthless. A thorough tank cleaning can help prevent the spread of the virus or fight the infection.

07-28-2005, 04:49 AM	#7
fishfreaks M&F Couple Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: PA Age: 21 Posts: 4,303	well as cichlid man said, my bro says that it is inflamed and protruding, its on the right side, not on the fin. i forgot to ask him though what the name of the other stuff he treated with. __________________ VOTE FOR FISH FORUMS

07-31-2005, 07:11 PM	#8
fishfreaks M&F Couple Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: PA Age: 21 Posts: 4,303	ok, so i saw my brother today, and he says they look exactly like warts, and they are all over his fish now, the fins and body and that its not affecting any of the other fish. he also mentioned that now there is red through his fins, and that the one "wart" popped. he said he treated with melafix and pimafix. i asked him if he did it together and he said no. __________________ VOTE FOR FISH FORUMS

07-31-2005, 08:26 PM	#9
fish_doc Advisor to Neptune (Mod) Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Northern Illinois Age: 40 Posts: 3,835	Red in fins is a sign of high ammonia. It sounds like it could be Lymphocystis. This is typically caused by a virus and equivalent to a wart, characterized by the formation of a grayish white, irregular growth anywhere on the body but especially on the fins; treatable only with antiviral drugs __________________ Dave (fish_doc) A World of fish

08-01-2005, 05:50 AM	#10
fishfreaks M&F Couple Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: PA Age: 21 Posts: 4,303	alright, thanks fishdoc, i'll let him know. I asked him if he tried the net and he said no. __________________ VOTE FOR FISH FORUMS

08-03-2005, 08:58 PM	#11
Baby_Baby Friendly Neighborhood Mod Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tulsa Posts: 3,681	I'll look up some info on Lymphocystis for you. __________________ *Why do you have to "put your two cents in"... but it's only a "penny for your thoughts"? Where's that extra penny going to?*

08-03-2005, 10:58 PM	#12
TheOldSalt Darth Ichthyos Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,360	I don't think that's it. It's spreading too fast and there is too much redness. It's likely fish pox after all, unless that fish is full of little worms which have decided it's time to burst out of their host. Fish pox is viral, but it doesn't do any real harm and it doesn't tend to spread. A good tank cleaning and a bit of warmth will usually clear it right up without super expensive drugs which usually don't work anyway. Does this gar eat feeder goldfish? That's the most likely source of fish pox.

08-04-2005, 05:23 AM	#13
fishfreaks M&F Couple Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: PA Age: 21 Posts: 4,303	yeah im pretty sure he feeds them feeders. i dont know about the worms thing, he never said anything to me about. i'll tell him your opinion oldsalt. i think he told me before he keeps it at 74 degrees? we keep ours at 78, should i have him raise the temp. to there, or go higher? Sounds as if he needs me over there to do a cleaning for him lol __________________ VOTE FOR FISH FORUMS

08-04-2005, 11:24 AM	#14
Baby_Baby Friendly Neighborhood Mod Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tulsa Posts: 3,681	http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/...phocystis.html http://www.worldoffish.com/aquanotes_html/an_sick.html __________________ *Why do you have to "put your two cents in"... but it's only a "penny for your thoughts"? Where's that extra penny going to?* Last edited by Baby_Baby; 08-04-2005 at 11:27 AM.

08-21-2005, 06:12 PM	#15
Baby_Baby Friendly Neighborhood Mod Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tulsa Posts: 3,681	so, fishfreaks, what did it turn out to be exactly? __________________ *Why do you have to "put your two cents in"... but it's only a "penny for your thoughts"? Where's that extra penny going to?*

08-22-2005, 05:47 AM	#16
fishfreaks M&F Couple Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: PA Age: 21 Posts: 4,303	i asked him a few days ago if he looked up fish pox yet and he said yeah. then he was here and i showed him this post. He also told me the people at the fish store had absolutly no idea what it could be...HAHA! Then i talked to his g/f about it and she said he only has one left on his side, but that they need to do a waterchange...lol what else is new! __________________ VOTE FOR FISH FORUMS

08-22-2005, 09:35 AM	#17
TheOldSalt Darth Ichthyos Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,360	If it's finally clearing up, then don't do anything but cleanups. Raising the water temperature can help speed things up, but since this is probably a North American gar, 78 is as high as he'd want to go.

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