Help! can't stay cool! - Page 2

book_em_danio · 06-26-2006, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by northfacehiker

And you also make yourself look like a fool. You are not an expert. Even the moderator of this section of the forums disagrees with you. If you don't think the water near your heater is warmer than the rest of the water in your tank, you need to think again. It will be at minimum a few degrees warmer until the temperature levels out through the tank.

My temperatures remain within 1 degree throughout the tank, because I have a proper amount of circulation from the filter... I've had that since about 30 minutes after filling my tank. Being moderator, with all due respect, certainly doesn't qualify anyone as an expert. Durbkat is the moderator of his own forum... so anyone can be a moderator.

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Originally Posted by northfacehiker

I do not consider myself to be an expert, but I can offer additional information to back up my suggestions.

Please do, you have not impressed me yet.

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Originally Posted by northfacehiker

Lastly, the owner of a thread should read all replies and make an informed decision based upon all given data and opinions. You yelling doesn't make you more important. It accomplishes one thing: discrediting your comments.

The original poster might consider the source, myself included, and look elsewhere. There's too much misinformation here.

Durbkat · 06-26-2006, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by book_em_danio

Being moderator, with all due respect, certainly doesn't qualify anyone as an expert. Durbkat is the moderator of his own forum... so anyone can be a moderator.

Excuse me, I'm an admin not a mod, your just jealous because your not a mod or admin.

Vermifugert · 06-26-2006, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by book_em_danio

My temperatures remain within 1 degree throughout the tank, because I have a proper amount of circulation from the filter... I've had that since about 30 minutes after filling my tank. Being moderator, with all due respect, certainly doesn't qualify anyone as an expert. Durbkat is the moderator of his own forum... so anyone can be a moderator.

Please do, you have not impressed me yet.

The original poster might consider the source, myself included, and look elsewhere. There's too much misinformation here.

With all due respect can you take your pissing match to privet messages so we can focus on the problems at hand?

harif87 · 06-26-2006, 04:06 PM

You guys are freakin 2 year olds

Durbkat · 06-26-2006, 04:06 PM

I'm calm now, I won't say anything else to agiatate the arguement.

vinimack720 · 06-26-2006, 05:43 PM

Adding a few ice cubes to a one gallon tank, or even a ten gallon tank, will drop the temperature down a few degrees, BUT it will not do this instantly, it will take time. Almost everyone here has such an inflated ego that they have argued about who is right or wrong and ignored the problem at hand. If any one has noticed, the starter of this thread has not replied to any of the suggestions because of how hostile everyone has become.

Because every one seems to have forgotten about the starter of this thread I will say this: 80 degrees should be fine for the Betta. But the Goldie's like a cooler temp. So i would suggest that you float 4-5 ice cubes in a zip lock bag and watch the temp closely to make sure that the temp does not drop too fast.

Any one can make comments on my suggestions and try to improve them, but please, try to keep everything civil so that we don't forget the whole point of this thread.

Durbkat · 06-26-2006, 05:46 PM

That's exactly what I said before book started trolling and flaming.

**Osiris** · 06-26-2006, 06:01 PM

Exactly it takes time for the change not like a instant change, unless you plan on adding liquid nitrogen to the tank.

vinimack720 · 06-26-2006, 06:04 PM

haha, yea, you could make your self some fish-icle's

**JustOneMore20** · 06-26-2006, 06:57 PM

You could do small water changes often, with cooler water (not cold). Putting ice cubes in is ok. I've also heard that it isn't good though because it cause spots in the tank that are a different temp, as mentioned above.

I think that if you put a few cubes in, it should be ok. I'd watch the temp and make sure it doesn't drop too drastically, too fast. Watch the fish and make sure they are alright. It should be fine though. I would never add very cold water though. The temperature shock could kill your fish.

I'd add an airpump to the goldfish tank, to increase oxygenation in the water. Fish will be sluggish the higher the temp. 80F is fine for the betta, but the goldfish probably doesn't like it.

I would leave the lights on for only a few hours a day. Leave the hoods off the rest of the day. You can also get a fan and aim it at the top of the water. That helps cool things off.

I'd try the fan and leaving the top off before going for the ice. I think its safer. The ice shouldn't kill them, but I'm sure they don't like the weird temp distributions in the tank.

This isn't relevant to your question, but a goldfish needs atleast a 30g tank. They will outgrow a 10g, so I'd upgrade soon!

|V|][{|-|/\[-|_ · 06-26-2006, 07:53 PM

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With all due respect can you take your pissing match to privet messages so we can focus on the problems at hand?

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You guys are freakin 2 year olds

Ding ding ding! Tell 'em what they've won, Chad!

Alin10123 · 06-26-2006, 07:54 PM

If possible, i would still try to turn the A/C on if you are trying to cool the water down since you mentioned "without A/C''. The reason being that if your ambient room temp is 80 degrees, the water isn't likely going to cool down much if any at all past that.

fantasticaqua · 06-26-2006, 09:48 PM

How about spending a couple of bucks and getting a chiller. Then no one has to get all heated up over ice cubes.

|V|][{|-|/\[-|_ · 06-26-2006, 10:11 PM

I am all for putting the ice debate to rest, but I think if air conditioning for the people is too expensive, a chiller may be a bit spendy.

**fish_doc** · 06-27-2006, 06:46 AM

It seems the summer heat has gotten to a couple of you here.
Time to take a deep breath and drink a nice glass of ice tea.

Now on to the question.

Aquariums overheating is a very common thing that happens in the summer and I see your question asked several times a year on different forums. So dont worry you are not alone. This is my cut and paste response everytime I see this asked

There are several ways to cool a aquarium. Some very expensive others very simple. But the labor is tied to the cost. The more expensive the less maintance, the cheaper needing a constant eye.

The first is air condition your house - (you didn't want to hear that) There is the expense of installiation then the expense of electricity.

Second is buy a aquarium chiller - Chillers are often needed to keep the water temperature within a range optimal for your tank inhabitants. These can run $400 on up. (Not so cheap either)

Chillers are available in two forms: drop-in and in-line. Drop-in chillers have cooling coils that you simply place in the sump to cool the water. No plumbing is required. In-line chillers have internal cooling coils. Water is pumped into the chiller, cooled, and then returned back to the tank or sump. The chief advantage of an in-line chiller is that it can be placed remotely from the tank (such as a basement, a different room or a garage).

Temperature controllers are necessary to operate the chiller. A single stage controller will control just the chiller, while a dual stage controller can control both a chiller and a heater to minimize variance and eliminate conflicts.

Third You can do small frequent water changes with cooler water - This is good for the temp but hard on the biological filtration.

Fourth You can place ice cubes in a ziplock bag and let it float in the tank. As the ice melts it will cool the water in the tank but not to quickly for the fish.

The Fifth and final way that I am aware of is to take the lid off the aquarium and blow a fan across the top. I know this sounds dumb like how can a fan cool water, BUT the fan causes evaporation and evaporation is what creates the cooling of the water.

You might want to try a combination of the last 3 ways to create a slow cooling process that wont shock the fish.

Keep in mind you want to cool your tank slowly. Rapid changes in temps are not good for your fish. Dont be afraid to turn off any lights on the tank. The light only creates more heat and if you dont have live plants you should not have any problems having a dark tank for a few days.

Actually there is one other way. But that is only if you have a basement. (I think you know where I am going with this) If you move the tank to the basement it will cool naturally since basements usually are cooler than upper floors.

I hope this gives you a few things to try. Sorry for it being so long but I wanted to give you all the possibilities I could think of.

I hope this has given everyone time to cool off.

Vermifugert · 06-27-2006, 12:29 PM

Would running a fan be about as effective as say running a bubble wall? Both circulate the water. And I have noticed increased evaporation since I installed my bubble wall.

Durbkat · 06-27-2006, 12:32 PM

I wonder why the thread starter STILL hasn't replied?

**JustOneMore20** · 06-27-2006, 12:40 PM

I'm lucky that my tanks are on the ground floor, in the finished part of the basement. I don't have any temperature problems.

When I first got my 10g, it was on the main floor and the temp would get up to 83-85F. I'd keep the lights off and the hood off and that helped some. 80F isn't bad, so as long as I could keep it around there, I was doing good. I also did small frequent cooler water changes.

Vermifugert · 06-27-2006, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Durbkat

I wonder why the thread starter STILL hasn't replied?

They may never come back thanks to Book em

TessaAndFishies · 06-27-2006, 06:40 PM

Hm, do you think it would be a wise idea adding a HEATER...? Couldn't she just heat it to about 66 degrees or something for the goldfish? Leave the betta without a heater, everything would be okay?

06-26-2006, 04:06 PM	#24
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06-26-2006, 06:01 PM	#28
Osiris Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Wisconsin Age: 25 Posts: 3,722	Exactly it takes time for the change not like a instant change, unless you plan on adding liquid nitrogen to the tank. __________________ Reality is for people who can't handle Science-Fiction

06-26-2006, 06:57 PM	#30
JustOneMore20 Moderator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Birmingham, AL Age: 22 Posts: 3,592	You could do small water changes often, with cooler water (not cold). Putting ice cubes in is ok. I've also heard that it isn't good though because it cause spots in the tank that are a different temp, as mentioned above. I think that if you put a few cubes in, it should be ok. I'd watch the temp and make sure it doesn't drop too drastically, too fast. Watch the fish and make sure they are alright. It should be fine though. I would never add very cold water though. The temperature shock could kill your fish. I'd add an airpump to the goldfish tank, to increase oxygenation in the water. Fish will be sluggish the higher the temp. 80F is fine for the betta, but the goldfish probably doesn't like it. I would leave the lights on for only a few hours a day. Leave the hoods off the rest of the day. You can also get a fan and aim it at the top of the water. That helps cool things off. I'd try the fan and leaving the top off before going for the ice. I think its safer. The ice shouldn't kill them, but I'm sure they don't like the weird temp distributions in the tank. This isn't relevant to your question, but a goldfish needs atleast a 30g tank. They will outgrow a 10g, so I'd upgrade soon! __________________ *Kristin* 5 Planted tanks: 55g, 40g, 29g, 20g, 5.5g Last edited by JustOneMore20; 06-26-2006 at 07:03 PM.

06-26-2006, 07:54 PM	#32
Alin10123 Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Atlanta Posts: 524	If possible, i would still try to turn the A/C on if you are trying to cool the water down since you mentioned "without A/C''. The reason being that if your ambient room temp is 80 degrees, the water isn't likely going to cool down much if any at all past that. __________________ 29 Gallon tank ~6 Long Finned Black Tetras ~3 Bosemani Rainbows ~10 Serpae Tetras 55 Gallon tank - Planted ~2 Pearl Gouramis ~2 Platys ~16 Neon Tetras ~6 Glo Light Tetras

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06-26-2006, 04:06 PM	#25
Durbkat It's the Evil Monkey!! Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kentucky Age: 17 Posts: 1,112	I'm calm now, I won't say anything else to agiatate the arguement.

06-26-2006, 05:43 PM	#26
vinimack720 Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Kansas City, MO Age: 19 Posts: 83	Adding a few ice cubes to a one gallon tank, or even a ten gallon tank, will drop the temperature down a few degrees, BUT it will not do this instantly, it will take time. Almost everyone here has such an inflated ego that they have argued about who is right or wrong and ignored the problem at hand. If any one has noticed, the starter of this thread has not replied to any of the suggestions because of how hostile everyone has become. Because every one seems to have forgotten about the starter of this thread I will say this: 80 degrees should be fine for the Betta. But the Goldie's like a cooler temp. So i would suggest that you float 4-5 ice cubes in a zip lock bag and watch the temp closely to make sure that the temp does not drop too fast. Any one can make comments on my suggestions and try to improve them, but please, try to keep everything civil so that we don't forget the whole point of this thread.

06-26-2006, 05:46 PM	#27
Durbkat It's the Evil Monkey!! Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kentucky Age: 17 Posts: 1,112	That's exactly what I said before book started trolling and flaming.

06-26-2006, 06:04 PM	#29
vinimack720 Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Kansas City, MO Age: 19 Posts: 83	haha, yea, you could make your self some fish-icle's

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06-27-2006, 06:46 AM	#35
fish_doc Advisor to Neptune (Mod) Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Northern Illinois Age: 40 Posts: 3,835	It seems the summer heat has gotten to a couple of you here. Time to take a deep breath and drink a nice glass of ice tea. Now on to the question. Aquariums overheating is a very common thing that happens in the summer and I see your question asked several times a year on different forums. So dont worry you are not alone. This is my cut and paste response everytime I see this asked There are several ways to cool a aquarium. Some very expensive others very simple. But the labor is tied to the cost. The more expensive the less maintance, the cheaper needing a constant eye. The first is air condition your house - (you didn't want to hear that) There is the expense of installiation then the expense of electricity. Second is buy a aquarium chiller - Chillers are often needed to keep the water temperature within a range optimal for your tank inhabitants. These can run $400 on up. (Not so cheap either) Chillers are available in two forms: drop-in and in-line. Drop-in chillers have cooling coils that you simply place in the sump to cool the water. No plumbing is required. In-line chillers have internal cooling coils. Water is pumped into the chiller, cooled, and then returned back to the tank or sump. The chief advantage of an in-line chiller is that it can be placed remotely from the tank (such as a basement, a different room or a garage). Temperature controllers are necessary to operate the chiller. A single stage controller will control just the chiller, while a dual stage controller can control both a chiller and a heater to minimize variance and eliminate conflicts. Third You can do small frequent water changes with cooler water - This is good for the temp but hard on the biological filtration. Fourth You can place ice cubes in a ziplock bag and let it float in the tank. As the ice melts it will cool the water in the tank but not to quickly for the fish. The Fifth and final way that I am aware of is to take the lid off the aquarium and blow a fan across the top. I know this sounds dumb like how can a fan cool water, BUT the fan causes evaporation and evaporation is what creates the cooling of the water. You might want to try a combination of the last 3 ways to create a slow cooling process that wont shock the fish. Keep in mind you want to cool your tank slowly. Rapid changes in temps are not good for your fish. Dont be afraid to turn off any lights on the tank. The light only creates more heat and if you dont have live plants you should not have any problems having a dark tank for a few days. Actually there is one other way. But that is only if you have a basement. (I think you know where I am going with this) If you move the tank to the basement it will cool naturally since basements usually are cooler than upper floors. I hope this gives you a few things to try. Sorry for it being so long but I wanted to give you all the possibilities I could think of. I hope this has given everyone time to cool off. __________________ Dave (fish_doc) A World of fish

06-27-2006, 12:29 PM	#36
Vermifugert Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Age: 31 Posts: 159	Would running a fan be about as effective as say running a bubble wall? Both circulate the water. And I have noticed increased evaporation since I installed my bubble wall.

06-27-2006, 12:32 PM	#37
Durbkat It's the Evil Monkey!! Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kentucky Age: 17 Posts: 1,112	I wonder why the thread starter STILL hasn't replied?

06-27-2006, 12:40 PM	#38
JustOneMore20 Moderator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Birmingham, AL Age: 22 Posts: 3,592	I'm lucky that my tanks are on the ground floor, in the finished part of the basement. I don't have any temperature problems. When I first got my 10g, it was on the main floor and the temp would get up to 83-85F. I'd keep the lights off and the hood off and that helped some. 80F isn't bad, so as long as I could keep it around there, I was doing good. I also did small frequent cooler water changes. __________________ *Kristin* 5 Planted tanks: 55g, 40g, 29g, 20g, 5.5g

06-27-2006, 06:40 PM	#40
TessaAndFishies Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 169	Hm, do you think it would be a wise idea adding a HEATER...? Couldn't she just heat it to about 66 degrees or something for the goldfish? Leave the betta without a heater, everything would be okay?

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