A tricky fish ID

Countryguy · 08-01-2007, 10:17 PM

I recently purchased a book called A Simple Guide to Freshwater Aquariums by David E Boruchowitz that has a pic of a beautiful fish on pg 156, and I'm wondering what it is....

I think it's a cichlid, but not real sure...

Mod, can I post a pic from a book?

Apotheosis · 08-01-2007, 10:35 PM

Can you try to describe it?

http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/s...cfm?pCatId=889

Glance through there and see if you can match it up to a name.

Countryguy · 08-01-2007, 11:12 PM

I'll try, but I'm not up to snuff on correct names...

It has a dark green body with a light green tail fin with yellow spots. It has what I say is two dorsal fins, one small one and a second one that runs to the base of its tail. The anal fin is large and fan like, and the steering fins are round and rather large. The belly is red, and the anal's got fro body to tip red, then yellowline, to dark green line to white line at the tip. both dorsals have a more brownish that lines yellow to green to white, and dorsal fin back has white spots on it.

Hope that helps??

Apotheosis · 08-01-2007, 11:44 PM

It doesn't sound like anything I've ever seen.

You said in your first post that you could post the pic from the book...I don't think there would be any problems with that. I'm sure I could recognize it then. From your description, I can't really tell.

Danh · 08-02-2007, 10:08 AM

Some kind of channa???

Danh · 08-02-2007, 10:11 AM

or a bowfin? Maybe I'm way off.

**JustOneMore20** · 08-02-2007, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Mod, can I post a pic from a book?

I don't mind if you post a picture from the book. I don't think the Admins will mind either.

Not all of use have that book, so a picture would definitely help.

**Scuba Kid** · 08-02-2007, 06:52 PM

It doesn't matter if you post a pic of a book even if it is copyrighted, since you already stated where its from and aren't saying its your picture.

Countryguy · 08-02-2007, 10:31 PM

Ok here it is....

Apotheosis · 08-02-2007, 10:34 PM

Oh wow. I honestly have never seen anything like that.

It doesn't really look like some type of cichlid to me. Perhaps it's a type of livebearer? Or killifish?

Countryguy · 08-02-2007, 10:40 PM

Darn! Maybe I should ask David...

**JustOneMore20** · 08-02-2007, 11:38 PM

Resembles some type of Gudgeon to me...maybe...

Not sure what kind though.

The closest I came was an Empire Gudgeon....but the colors aren't right for it. Here is a pic from google http://fishdb.sinica.edu.tw/2001new/.../large/H33.jpg and a fishbase summary (picture doesn't look the same though) http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/Spec...y.php?id=22755.

Maybe someone else can find a definitive ID from my guess.

I could be totally wrong though with the Gudgeon route...

Obsidian · 08-02-2007, 11:50 PM

I think that pic looks remarkably similar to the one he posted, just facing another way and a bit more clear. but the fins look the same style.shape, the coloration looks right, the spots are right, all of it looks right to me even the shape of the head. Biggest difference is the coloration in the head of the gudgeon is red and the one in the book is black or brown.

Dang close!

Apotheosis · 08-03-2007, 12:25 AM

Kristin's close. The empire gudgeon does sort of look like it.

It might be a golden gudgeon.

**Scuba Kid** · 08-03-2007, 08:57 AM

Hypseleotris cyprinoides maybe.

You know, the book probably has photo information in it. Flip to the end and it may have copyright info on the pics where they usually put the species....sometimes in the index as well.

Obsidian · 08-03-2007, 10:37 AM

I think the gudgeon is closer. The Hypseleotris cyprinoides doesn't have the cross hatch pattern through the body or the spots on the tail and the colors through the fins are not as delineated, not to mention the dorsal fin is a completely different pattern.

Good idea to check the index or there may even be a "References" section which will give credit to photos as well.

Danh · 08-03-2007, 12:07 PM

hey from his verbal description I was kinda close with Channa!!

**Scuba Kid** · 08-03-2007, 06:19 PM

Obsidian, both are gudgeons and in the same genus. You have to keep in mind that colors can change when spawning as well, and as I was searching noticed difference like this between pictures.

**JustOneMore20** · 08-03-2007, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scuba Kid

Obsidian, both are gudgeons and in the same genus. You have to keep in mind that colors can change when spawning as well, and as I was searching noticed difference like this between pictures.

I noticed that too, Katie. And I also wondered if the picture in the book were spawning colors.

Countryguy · 08-03-2007, 10:57 PM

I tried that first Scuba Kid, but no such luck....

It could be a Gudgeon, the types are similar. This book was on freshwater Aquariums, and from what I've seen online, the Emperor Gudgeon can survive in salt, brackish and fresh water... The variance might be because of the medium he was using for the fish....

08-01-2007, 10:17 PM	#1
Countryguy Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Age: 38 Posts: 48	A tricky fish ID I recently purchased a book called A Simple Guide to Freshwater Aquariums by David E Boruchowitz that has a pic of a beautiful fish on pg 156, and I'm wondering what it is.... I think it's a cichlid, but not real sure... Mod, can I post a pic from a book?

08-02-2007, 10:08 AM	#5
Danh Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Age: 24 Posts: 612	Some kind of channa??? __________________ 450g-30"&20"0.bichirossum,18" cichla temX,12"p.ornatipinnis&lapradei,2x15"c.temensis,15 " c.orinocensis,12"L.platrhynchus, 30" Crock I gar 180g-10" d.pulcher,2x8"d. pulcher, 3x8"c.orinocensis, 7"jardini 90g-4"stripeneck musk turtle,8xc.macracanthus 3-7",2x7" s.tanereius 30g-2x7" a.batrachus 30g-4"p.delhezi&endlicheri, 4"m.irwini

08-02-2007, 10:11 AM	#6
Danh Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Age: 24 Posts: 612	or a bowfin? Maybe I'm way off. __________________ 450g-30"&20"0.bichirossum,18" cichla temX,12"p.ornatipinnis&lapradei,2x15"c.temensis,15 " c.orinocensis,12"L.platrhynchus, 30" Crock I gar 180g-10" d.pulcher,2x8"d. pulcher, 3x8"c.orinocensis, 7"jardini 90g-4"stripeneck musk turtle,8xc.macracanthus 3-7",2x7" s.tanereius 30g-2x7" a.batrachus 30g-4"p.delhezi&endlicheri, 4"m.irwini

08-02-2007, 06:52 PM	#8
Scuba Kid Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: RI Age: 17 Posts: 4,221	It doesn't matter if you post a pic of a book even if it is copyrighted, since you already stated where its from and aren't saying its your picture. __________________ Current setups: 1800 gallon koi pond, 10 gallon planted, 150 gallon reef, other FOWLR tanks

08-02-2007, 10:34 PM	#10
Apotheosis Adamant Minded Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Location is only a matter of physical being. The perceiving mind is omnipresent. Age: 17 Posts: 352	Oh wow. I honestly have never seen anything like that. It doesn't really look like some type of cichlid to me. Perhaps it's a type of livebearer? Or killifish? Last edited by Apotheosis; 08-02-2007 at 10:37 PM.

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08-01-2007, 10:35 PM	#2
Apotheosis Adamant Minded Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Location is only a matter of physical being. The perceiving mind is omnipresent. Age: 17 Posts: 352	Can you try to describe it? http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/s...cfm?pCatId=889 Glance through there and see if you can match it up to a name.

08-01-2007, 11:12 PM	#3
Countryguy Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Age: 38 Posts: 48	I'll try, but I'm not up to snuff on correct names... It has a dark green body with a light green tail fin with yellow spots. It has what I say is two dorsal fins, one small one and a second one that runs to the base of its tail. The anal fin is large and fan like, and the steering fins are round and rather large. The belly is red, and the anal's got fro body to tip red, then yellowline, to dark green line to white line at the tip. both dorsals have a more brownish that lines yellow to green to white, and dorsal fin back has white spots on it. Hope that helps??

08-01-2007, 11:44 PM	#4
Apotheosis Adamant Minded Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Location is only a matter of physical being. The perceiving mind is omnipresent. Age: 17 Posts: 352	It doesn't sound like anything I've ever seen. You said in your first post that you could post the pic from the book...I don't think there would be any problems with that. I'm sure I could recognize it then. From your description, I can't really tell.

08-02-2007, 10:31 PM	#9
Countryguy Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Age: 38 Posts: 48	Ok here it is....

08-02-2007, 10:40 PM	#11
Countryguy Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Age: 38 Posts: 48	Darn! Maybe I should ask David...

08-02-2007, 11:38 PM	#12
JustOneMore20 Moderator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Birmingham, AL Age: 22 Posts: 3,571	Resembles some type of Gudgeon to me...maybe... Not sure what kind though. The closest I came was an Empire Gudgeon....but the colors aren't right for it. Here is a pic from google http://fishdb.sinica.edu.tw/2001new/.../large/H33.jpg and a fishbase summary (picture doesn't look the same though) http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/Spec...y.php?id=22755. Maybe someone else can find a definitive ID from my guess. I could be totally wrong though with the Gudgeon route... __________________ *Kristin* 5 Planted tanks: 55g, 40g, 29g, 20g, 5.5g

08-02-2007, 11:50 PM	#13
Obsidian Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Arizona Age: 37 Posts: 1,039	I think that pic looks remarkably similar to the one he posted, just facing another way and a bit more clear. but the fins look the same style.shape, the coloration looks right, the spots are right, all of it looks right to me even the shape of the head. Biggest difference is the coloration in the head of the gudgeon is red and the one in the book is black or brown. Dang close! __________________ Obsidian 20 gallon 1 Dwarf Gourami; 5 Cherry Barbs; 7 Black Neon Tetras; 3 Peppered Cory's; 1 Albino Bristlenose Pleco (Old Blondie) 10 gallon Breaking it down for storage. 5.5 gallon Betta 100 gallon 7 giant danios; 4 Rosy Barbs, 1 German Blue Ram, 7 Julie Cory cats, 2 Burmese Loaches; 5 Zebra Daios

08-03-2007, 12:25 AM	#14
Apotheosis Adamant Minded Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Location is only a matter of physical being. The perceiving mind is omnipresent. Age: 17 Posts: 352	Kristin's close. The empire gudgeon does sort of look like it. It might be a golden gudgeon. Last edited by Apotheosis; 08-03-2007 at 12:46 AM.

08-03-2007, 08:57 AM	#15
Scuba Kid Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: RI Age: 17 Posts: 4,221	Hypseleotris cyprinoides maybe. You know, the book probably has photo information in it. Flip to the end and it may have copyright info on the pics where they usually put the species....sometimes in the index as well. __________________ Current setups: 1800 gallon koi pond, 10 gallon planted, 150 gallon reef, other FOWLR tanks

08-03-2007, 10:37 AM	#16
Obsidian Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Arizona Age: 37 Posts: 1,039	I think the gudgeon is closer. The Hypseleotris cyprinoides doesn't have the cross hatch pattern through the body or the spots on the tail and the colors through the fins are not as delineated, not to mention the dorsal fin is a completely different pattern. Good idea to check the index or there may even be a "References" section which will give credit to photos as well. __________________ Obsidian 20 gallon 1 Dwarf Gourami; 5 Cherry Barbs; 7 Black Neon Tetras; 3 Peppered Cory's; 1 Albino Bristlenose Pleco (Old Blondie) 10 gallon Breaking it down for storage. 5.5 gallon Betta 100 gallon 7 giant danios; 4 Rosy Barbs, 1 German Blue Ram, 7 Julie Cory cats, 2 Burmese Loaches; 5 Zebra Daios

08-03-2007, 12:07 PM	#17
Danh Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Age: 24 Posts: 612	hey from his verbal description I was kinda close with Channa!! __________________ 450g-30"&20"0.bichirossum,18" cichla temX,12"p.ornatipinnis&lapradei,2x15"c.temensis,15 " c.orinocensis,12"L.platrhynchus, 30" Crock I gar 180g-10" d.pulcher,2x8"d. pulcher, 3x8"c.orinocensis, 7"jardini 90g-4"stripeneck musk turtle,8xc.macracanthus 3-7",2x7" s.tanereius 30g-2x7" a.batrachus 30g-4"p.delhezi&endlicheri, 4"m.irwini

08-03-2007, 06:19 PM	#18
Scuba Kid Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: RI Age: 17 Posts: 4,221	Obsidian, both are gudgeons and in the same genus. You have to keep in mind that colors can change when spawning as well, and as I was searching noticed difference like this between pictures. __________________ Current setups: 1800 gallon koi pond, 10 gallon planted, 150 gallon reef, other FOWLR tanks

08-03-2007, 10:57 PM	#20
Countryguy Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Age: 38 Posts: 48	I tried that first Scuba Kid, but no such luck.... It could be a Gudgeon, the types are similar. This book was on freshwater Aquariums, and from what I've seen online, the Emperor Gudgeon can survive in salt, brackish and fresh water... The variance might be because of the medium he was using for the fish....

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