sea dragon

escape artist · 03-30-2008, 10:00 AM

hi
my friend just got a sea dragon like looking thing
it straight and the curves at the end.
about 3 inches long.
what do these things eat.
and what other fish can they go with???

trashion · 03-30-2008, 10:18 AM

Sea dragon? What? Is it a Dragon Goby?
http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/gobyfish/dragon.php
If so, it's brackish and gets quite large.

**TheOldSalt** · 03-30-2008, 01:20 PM

Saltwater or freshwater? A Pipefish, maybe?

How big is it's mouth? What color is it?

Scuba Kid · 03-30-2008, 01:24 PM

Easiest way to determine this would be with a picture. Can you post a pic?

escape artist · 03-31-2008, 07:21 AM

umm.
ill ask my friend.
well its a fresh water.
and its really really thin.
stands up straight.
and has a hook at the end...

escape artist · 03-31-2008, 07:22 AM

and its not a dragon goby for sure

oliesminis · 03-31-2008, 09:22 AM

hook at the end and stands up straight makes me think of a seahorse but there saltwater

did you friend so any reaserch on it before it was bought?

**Fishfirst** · 03-31-2008, 09:42 AM

All I have to say to your friend is good luck and always research the fish BEFORE you buy.

FishHead · 03-31-2008, 10:20 AM

could of be a half beak?

http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/p...fm?pCatId=1073

**TheOldSalt** · 03-31-2008, 02:00 PM

A hook at the end.. that's the part that gets me. What the heck could that BE?

Farlowella cat standing on it's head?

**SueM** · 03-31-2008, 02:07 PM

These maybe??
Enneacampus Ansorgii

http://www.aquariumfish.com/aquarium...id=4150&search

JustOneMore20 · 03-31-2008, 02:14 PM

It could be anything.

Why is it called a "Sea" Dragon, but its FW? The sea isn't FW....not a good common name IMO.

Scuba Kid · 03-31-2008, 02:14 PM

A hook on which end? The head or the tail?

escape artist · 04-01-2008, 05:26 AM

Enneacampus Ansorgii

thats the one you got it mate.
and wraps it self on stuff.
there prettty cool.
so does my friend need to know anything about these things in special???

amypicot · 04-01-2008, 06:14 AM

what size tank is it?

escape artist · 04-01-2008, 07:54 AM

the tank is a 51 g

**SueM** · 04-01-2008, 08:32 AM

Yes he does! Have him read that Article, specially the part about feeding.

escape artist · 04-01-2008, 08:54 AM

yes i have read that.
and sent it to my friend.
anything else?
btw.
are these fish hard to get...
thking of getting one myself.
and is it FW or brackish?

flamingo · 04-01-2008, 03:37 PM

Have them transfer it to a ten gallon, or at least a smaller tank, or there's no chance it will make it past a few days. The tank is much too large for that small of a pipefish to find live food, in a normal feed setting. Also remember, they don't have a "normal" digestive track, so they need to be fed every few hours, and unlike most fish, can't take a starvation period well. After a few days, they simply "shut down" and won't/can't eat. If it really is an ansorgii, baby brine shrimp (4 hours old or less, or 24+ hours old and enriched) will be it's staple diet...

And yes, they're hard to find... a few places online have them at times, but for the local lfs, they're hard to come by. As a note, it took me two years to get ahold of just one pair, and they had no idea when they were getting in more. Truthfully, they didn't even know they had them in until they checked the list. 2 out of 5 were the only ones that made it through.

That article posted by Sue is very good for general info, I actually have the magazine with the original article in it. It's more towards Scovelli (which is also found in saltwater) but it applies to ansorgii in 90% of the info. Treat them more as freshwater fish, though.

Please, don't even think about buying one, unless you have a tank dedicated solely to them, and are willing to spend more time on that one little fish than others. Syngnathids are tricky fish unless you have a a general knowledge on them going in. They suffer from different diseases, have multiple problems with feeding, and more so, freshwater pipefish are notorious for catching fungus. I don't mean to sound harsh there, if so, but it's a lot of work for a very small fish you don't see often.

escape artist · 04-01-2008, 05:53 PM

yeah okay thanks.
but getting brine shrimp in HK is easy.
you can get 100's for just a few dollars.

03-30-2008, 10:00 AM	#1
escape artist Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Age: 26 Posts: 47	sea dragon hi my friend just got a sea dragon like looking thing it straight and the curves at the end. about 3 inches long. what do these things eat. and what other fish can they go with???

03-30-2008, 10:18 AM	#2
trashion girl anachronism Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,409	Sea dragon? What? Is it a Dragon Goby? http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/gobyfish/dragon.php If so, it's brackish and gets quite large. __________________ current setup: 5.5 gallon low-light planted tank -nothing....thinking a mini-community. for reference: my name is Julie

03-30-2008, 01:24 PM	#4
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03-31-2008, 09:22 AM	#7
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03-30-2008, 01:20 PM	#3
TheOldSalt Darth Ichthyos Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,476	Saltwater or freshwater? A Pipefish, maybe? How big is it's mouth? What color is it?

03-31-2008, 07:21 AM	#5
escape artist Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Age: 26 Posts: 47	umm. ill ask my friend. well its a fresh water. and its really really thin. stands up straight. and has a hook at the end...

03-31-2008, 07:22 AM	#6
escape artist Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Age: 26 Posts: 47	and its not a dragon goby for sure

03-31-2008, 10:20 AM	#9
FishHead What are you looking at? Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: NJ Age: 28 Posts: 599	could of be a half beak? http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/p...fm?pCatId=1073 __________________ 13 barbs (4x tigers, 2x greens, 3 odessas, 4 albino) 5 australian rainbowfish 4 buenos aires tetras 1 angelic pim catfish 1 pictus catfish 1 Spotted Hifin pleco 2 opaline gouramis 2 blue gouramis 5 panda cories 1 red tail shark 9 cherry barbs 2 Lionhead goldfish 1 black moor (saved from walmart) 7 peppered cories 3 swordtails 1 bristlenose pleco

03-31-2008, 02:00 PM	#10
TheOldSalt Darth Ichthyos Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,476	A hook at the end.. that's the part that gets me. What the heck could that BE? Farlowella cat standing on it's head?

03-31-2008, 02:07 PM	#11
SueM Administrator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Kennewick, WA. Age: 50 Posts: 1,186	These maybe?? Enneacampus Ansorgii http://www.aquariumfish.com/aquarium...id=4150&search __________________ Words that soak into your ears are whispered...not yelled Last edited by SueM; 03-31-2008 at 02:09 PM.

03-31-2008, 02:14 PM	#12
JustOneMore20 Banned Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Birmingham, AL Age: 22 Posts: 3,654	It could be anything. Why is it called a "Sea" Dragon, but its FW? The sea isn't FW....not a good common name IMO.

04-01-2008, 05:26 AM	#14
escape artist Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Age: 26 Posts: 47	Enneacampus Ansorgii thats the one you got it mate. and wraps it self on stuff. there prettty cool. so does my friend need to know anything about these things in special???

04-01-2008, 06:14 AM	#15
amypicot Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Age: 24 Posts: 78	what size tank is it?

04-01-2008, 07:54 AM	#16
escape artist Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Age: 26 Posts: 47	the tank is a 51 g

04-01-2008, 08:32 AM	#17
SueM Administrator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Kennewick, WA. Age: 50 Posts: 1,186	Yes he does! Have him read that Article, specially the part about feeding. __________________ Words that soak into your ears are whispered...not yelled

04-01-2008, 08:54 AM	#18
escape artist Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Age: 26 Posts: 47	yes i have read that. and sent it to my friend. anything else? btw. are these fish hard to get... thking of getting one myself. and is it FW or brackish?

04-01-2008, 03:37 PM	#19
flamingo One Word: Croutons. Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Wisconsin Age: 17 Posts: 1,881	Have them transfer it to a ten gallon, or at least a smaller tank, or there's no chance it will make it past a few days. The tank is much too large for that small of a pipefish to find live food, in a normal feed setting. Also remember, they don't have a "normal" digestive track, so they need to be fed every few hours, and unlike most fish, can't take a starvation period well. After a few days, they simply "shut down" and won't/can't eat. If it really is an ansorgii, baby brine shrimp (4 hours old or less, or 24+ hours old and enriched) will be it's staple diet... And yes, they're hard to find... a few places online have them at times, but for the local lfs, they're hard to come by. As a note, it took me two years to get ahold of just one pair, and they had no idea when they were getting in more. Truthfully, they didn't even know they had them in until they checked the list. 2 out of 5 were the only ones that made it through. That article posted by Sue is very good for general info, I actually have the magazine with the original article in it. It's more towards Scovelli (which is also found in saltwater) but it applies to ansorgii in 90% of the info. Treat them more as freshwater fish, though. Please, don't even think about buying one, unless you have a tank dedicated solely to them, and are willing to spend more time on that one little fish than others. Syngnathids are tricky fish unless you have a a general knowledge on them going in. They suffer from different diseases, have multiple problems with feeding, and more so, freshwater pipefish are notorious for catching fungus. I don't mean to sound harsh there, if so, but it's a lot of work for a very small fish you don't see often. __________________ I'm still around from time to time. If you'd like to chat, send me a pm and i'll tell you where to contact me

04-01-2008, 05:53 PM	#20
escape artist Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Age: 26 Posts: 47	yeah okay thanks. but getting brine shrimp in HK is easy. you can get 100's for just a few dollars.

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