A week of mixed review

BlackSwords11 · 04-04-2008, 09:26 PM

I have had mixed thoughts about this week. The down side is that I have lost about six fish and I'm not sure why. The good news is that I got some new longfinned swords and I have been informed that I have won a free 55g tank. It should be fun to start up something new.

mousey · 04-07-2008, 11:15 AM

you need to find out why the first fish died before you start any more tanks.

hvc801 · 04-07-2008, 11:19 AM

You should always keep checking the water in the tank for nitrAtes, nitrItes and ammonia. Those are key to check. Also must check for any diseases that might be on or inside of your fish, they also live in the tank for that time they are attacking the fish.

But yeah, thats awesome, congratulations on winning a new 55g. Have fun with that! just dont harm the fish, lol

BlackSwords11 · 04-07-2008, 05:34 PM

Hang on a sec. I might not have said this but I do test for all three. The tank is a year in establishment so there is no problem there. And there are no diseases in the tank. The parameters are all at zero.

COM · 04-07-2008, 05:43 PM

It is unusual for six fish to die within a week in an established tank. Likely, there is an acute cause for this that you have missed.

**JustOneMore20** · 04-07-2008, 06:11 PM

Do you have live plants in the tank or did you check them after a water change? You should have nitrAtes in an established tank unless you have alot of plants or checked for them right after a water change. If not, then your test kit could be messed up.

trashion · 04-07-2008, 06:17 PM

Agreed with Kristin. Nitrates should never read zero.

BlackSwords11 · 04-08-2008, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustOneMore20

Do you have live plants in the tank or did you check them after a water change? You should have nitrAtes in an established tank unless you have alot of plants or checked for them right after a water change. If not, then your test kit could be messed up.

What I meant by 0 is that none were over the normal amount. As for live plants, I have none. I changed water after the tests.

CaysE · 04-08-2008, 08:37 PM

Well let's start from the top. Tell us your tank setup... how big, what equipment, lighting schedule, and what it's stocked with.

BlackSwords11 · 04-09-2008, 04:37 PM

size-35g
equipment- heater, external filter, bubbler
lighting schedule- about 8-10hrs a day
fish-livebearers-swords, platys, mollies-, tets-gold, lampeye-, and CAE-chinese algae eater.

emc7 · 04-09-2008, 04:56 PM

6 fish dead in a week is definitely trouble. Possibilities include "old tank syndrome" (aka high nitrates, pH crash), a sudden increase in aggression (common when fish grow up and start breeding), "bad water change" (forgot dechlor or your water system started adding something bad or pH of tap was way off from the tank), "invisible disease", poisoning (you spray cleaner or landlord sprays insecticide and it gets sucked in by bubbler), the heater cooked or electrocuted them & "something they ate" like parasites from frozen worms.

If you start the new tank, don't move anything from the old tank over until you've gone a month or two with no more losses.

BlackSwords11 · 04-10-2008, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by emc7

6 fish dead in a week is definitely trouble. Possibilities include "old tank syndrome" (aka high nitrates, pH crash), a sudden increase in aggression (common when fish grow up and start breeding), "bad water change" (forgot dechlor or your water system started adding something bad or pH of tap was way off from the tank), "invisible disease", poisoning (you spray cleaner or landlord sprays insecticide and it gets sucked in by bubbler), the heater cooked or electrocuted them & "something they ate" like parasites from frozen worms.

If you start the new tank, don't move anything from the old tank over until you've gone a month or two with no more losses.

The only thing that I could think of was my shrimp cubes that I feed them on the weekend. But, they stay frozen and since I've had them, I don't ever thaw it out.

emc7 · 04-10-2008, 05:48 PM

I guess it could also have been a cascade effect. If a fish dies in a small tank and you don't get it out, the resulting ammonia spike can take out more fish. Shrimp cubes should be pretty safe, but they can make ammonia spike if you usually don't feed that much.

I would hate for you to stock the 55 and watch all the fish die because you brought over a disease from the small tank. Its not real likely because you hadn't added anything new lately. But the fish diseases that are going around now seem esp. nasty and some are med resistant.

04-04-2008, 09:26 PM	#1
BlackSwords11 Fishy Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Age: 16 Posts: 11	A week of mixed review I have had mixed thoughts about this week. The down side is that I have lost about six fish and I'm not sure why. The good news is that I got some new longfinned swords and I have been informed that I have won a free 55g tank. It should be fun to start up something new.

04-07-2008, 11:15 AM	#2
mousey Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 790	you need to find out why the first fish died before you start any more tanks. __________________ mousey Toronto. Canada

04-07-2008, 06:11 PM	#6
JustOneMore20 Moderator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Alabama, US Age: 22 Posts: 3,490	Do you have live plants in the tank or did you check them after a water change? You should have nitrAtes in an established tank unless you have alot of plants or checked for them right after a water change. If not, then your test kit could be messed up. __________________ *Kristin* 5 Planted tanks: 55g, 40g, 29g, 10g, 5.5g 10g N. multifasciatus tank, 5.5g Platy fry

04-07-2008, 06:17 PM	#7
trashion girl anachronism Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,163	Agreed with Kristin. Nitrates should never read zero. __________________ current setup: 5.5 gallon low-light planted tank -1 dwarf puffer named Beep. for reference: my name is Julie

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04-07-2008, 11:19 AM	#3
hvc801 Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Age: 20 Posts: 42	You should always keep checking the water in the tank for nitrAtes, nitrItes and ammonia. Those are key to check. Also must check for any diseases that might be on or inside of your fish, they also live in the tank for that time they are attacking the fish. But yeah, thats awesome, congratulations on winning a new 55g. Have fun with that! just dont harm the fish, lol

04-07-2008, 05:34 PM	#4
BlackSwords11 Fishy Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Age: 16 Posts: 11	Hang on a sec. I might not have said this but I do test for all three. The tank is a year in establishment so there is no problem there. And there are no diseases in the tank. The parameters are all at zero.

04-07-2008, 05:43 PM	#5
COM Rebel Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 525	It is unusual for six fish to die within a week in an established tank. Likely, there is an acute cause for this that you have missed.

04-09-2008, 04:37 PM	#10
BlackSwords11 Fishy Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Age: 16 Posts: 11	size-35g equipment- heater, external filter, bubbler lighting schedule- about 8-10hrs a day fish-livebearers-swords, platys, mollies-, tets-gold, lampeye-, and CAE-chinese algae eater.

04-09-2008, 04:56 PM	#11
emc7 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Age: 39 Posts: 2,901	6 fish dead in a week is definitely trouble. Possibilities include "old tank syndrome" (aka high nitrates, pH crash), a sudden increase in aggression (common when fish grow up and start breeding), "bad water change" (forgot dechlor or your water system started adding something bad or pH of tap was way off from the tank), "invisible disease", poisoning (you spray cleaner or landlord sprays insecticide and it gets sucked in by bubbler), the heater cooked or electrocuted them & "something they ate" like parasites from frozen worms. If you start the new tank, don't move anything from the old tank over until you've gone a month or two with no more losses. Last edited by emc7; 04-09-2008 at 04:59 PM.

04-10-2008, 05:48 PM	#13
emc7 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Age: 39 Posts: 2,901	I guess it could also have been a cascade effect. If a fish dies in a small tank and you don't get it out, the resulting ammonia spike can take out more fish. Shrimp cubes should be pretty safe, but they can make ammonia spike if you usually don't feed that much. I would hate for you to stock the 55 and watch all the fish die because you brought over a disease from the small tank. Its not real likely because you hadn't added anything new lately. But the fish diseases that are going around now seem esp. nasty and some are med resistant. Last edited by emc7; 04-10-2008 at 05:51 PM.

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