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Join Date: Mar 2008
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For some reason today I decided to read the ingredients list on my staple fish foods, Omega One Super Color and Ocean Nutrition Formula One.
I noticed that both foods use the preservative Ethoxquin. I work in the consumer products business and I'm fairly familiar with food additives and preservatives, but I can't recall having seen this one listed on people food. I did some research and found out that it is quinoline based antioxidant used as a preservative and as a pesticide under the names Stop-Scald and Santoquin. The product label apparently bares the skull and bones symbol. It is know to cause fish death and problems with many other animals, yet is a very common additive to pet foods because of its high miscibility with fats. It is a very effective preventer of fat rancidity. It's needed because pet foods are generally made with low-grade meats, too low grade for human consumption. Does anybody know anything about this or the risk that it may or may not pose to aquarium fish? Or, does anybody know of flake foods that don't contain this particular preservative?
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fishgeek
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Boston
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There was a big ethoxyquin scare back in the early 90's -- it was blamed for everything from small liter size (usually in overbred dogs) to the decline of the Boston Celtics.
ok, almost everything I remember researching it at the time (I sold dog food as well as fish back then) - and the thing that the "all natural" companies conveniently forgot to mention was the fact that when they said "no added ethoxyquin" that wasn't the same as " no ethoxyquin" -- the rep for a local dog food company pointed out to me that the meats they used were preserved long before they got to the dog food factory and were turned into kibble. I suspect its the same way for most dry fish foods - if the food is made with fish meal or shrimp meal, its made with a pre-processed meal that's treated long before the flake food factory. (Foods like Omega One that use "fresh" seafood may not be pre-preserved - but if they were NOT preserved they'd soon go rancid, especially if they had nice high levels of the good HUFA fats we all like in our fish foods). If you eat fresh fruit, you may be eating ethoxyquin - it is Epa registered and used to prevent premature browning in pears and is applied to many chili powders, paprika, etc. http://www.epa.gov/oppsrrd1/REDs/fac...s/0003fact.pdf Quote:
http://www.newlife.ipbhost.com/forum...?showtopic=337 He also points out that the fish meal has ethoxyquin long before he gets it. He's got alot of good points, but there is one section that I think bears repeating: Quote:
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Of course, the simple solution is to feed your fish a home-made diet. I feed alot of frozen and live foods (mostly worms or daphnia that I raise myself) and have also dabbled with making my own frozen foods using shrimp, fish, veggies, vitamins, and gelatin. By making the food yourself, you can make sure you know exactly what goes in and what doesn't. Just use it quickly, even frozen foods can lose their value over time. It is pretty cool to watch your fish go nuts for food you made yourself (disclaimer - even though I defend ethoxyquin usage, my dog is on a raw food - no kibble - diet and is the healthiest she has ever been. but preservatives had no part in our decision to move her off of kibble onto raw foods )
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Join Date: Mar 2008
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Red- thanks.
I don't currently have a dog but if I did it would be on the BARF diet (Bones and raw food). My parents have a dog that has serious skin problems that I believe are caused by food allergies and reactions to preservatives in commercial dog food. It's a long story but I've done a lot of research and even took her to a very specialized vet that I found through my alumni network... Despite what the official "studies" have shown, there are countless websites on the negative effect of Ethoxyquin on dogs, cats, birds, and fish. As usual, the major studies find 'inconclusive' or only 'correlative' and not causal links. I'm familiar with this type of study; I work for a company that finds the links between smoking and cancer also only 'correlative.' I will be calling the Coast Guard tomorrow morning to try and find out why they require Ethoxyquin specifically. I know of several other preservatives that prevent rancidity. One of the most common and benign ones is Tocopherol, which is a vitamin-E compound. That is also listed as an ingredient on most flak fish foods. I smell a conspiracy here...
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Join Date: Jan 2006
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think of all of the tens of hundreds of millions of fish and dogs and cats that are eating food with this preservative in it.you would think that if there was any kind of real risk or issue with Ethoxyquin that some group somewhere would have brought out a serious study that would provide that information..
i have been feeding fish all kinds of foods for a long time..never noticed any possible food related problems.. but then i am no scientist either..could have hit me in the eye and i wouldn't have seen it...lol
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fishgeek
Join Date: Jan 2005
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US federal regs:
http://law.justia.com/us/cfr/title46...1.4.4.6.2.html
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Join Date: Mar 2008
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Wow - that's flagrantly corrupt. At least they don't specify a brand name! Monsanto's lobbyists are clearly very good at their jobs.
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