neons or danios?

Huugs · 07-25-2005, 12:05 PM

1. How do you sex them?

2. How often could they become pregnant after just spawning?

3. My largest one which I think is female (dont ask me how) is swimming round and round in the corner. It sits on the bottom every now and then then swims round and round again. It also chases off the others and swims a bit off bonk (kinda partly towards one side) some of the time. No other physical or behavioural issues. Stills eats fine and swims fine just after eating when still looking for more. Any clues to why?

Didnt know whether I should post in Disease, Breeding or do seperate posts but any advice would be very greatly appreciated.

Hamm35924 · 07-25-2005, 06:54 PM

well males are more slender, mature females are fat, In the ordinary zebra danio, the males' yellow white areas (stripes and on the dorsal fin edge) are a much stronger yellow. males are usually smaller and more vibrant in color. that probably didnt help much but im sure someone else can be more descrpitive.

Hamm35924 · 07-25-2005, 07:00 PM

i have a ten gallon tank and i've been debating wether to get some neon tetras or some zebra danios. ive heard danios are lively and entertain and hardy, but the neons are so pretty and would add some color to my tank. also i will be attempting to have my male betta in there, will he get angry at them because they are bright, or will he eat them? he didnt seem to like the ghost shrimp i tried to put in his tank once upon a time. (theyre both dead by now, partially because of him)

**Scuba Kid** · 07-25-2005, 07:02 PM

i would never put a male betta in with neons.

Hamm35924 · 07-25-2005, 07:12 PM

because he'll be aggresive towards them?

**fish_doc** · 07-25-2005, 07:44 PM

Danios may be a bit to lively for a 10 gallon tank.

Hamm35924 · 07-25-2005, 07:55 PM

so is that a neither then?

**fish_doc** · 07-25-2005, 07:59 PM

The betta is the big issue. You could get away with several other types of fish. Glowlight tetras, Rummey nose tetra, White cloud minnows just to name a few.

Hamm35924 · 07-25-2005, 08:40 PM

hmmm, well i suppose i dont need schooling fish. but i was also going to have a ballooon molly in there, and i've recently taken an intrest in dwarf gourami's. would that be a bad idea also?

**fish_doc** · 07-25-2005, 09:00 PM

The gourami is unfortunally a bad choice with a betta. They are from the same group of fish and there could be issues. the mollys should be ok in there

Vivid-Dawn · 07-25-2005, 09:18 PM

Here's my opinion on what to get
Danios are lively and entertaining, but they also like lots of room because of the liveliness...I wouldn't have them in anything less than a 15 gallon tank, and 20+ would be even better.

I LOVE Neon Tetras... they're purdy! But yeah, a Betta wouldn't be a good choice with them.

Gouramis are also very kewl, but Betta wouldn't go good with them, either.

Guppies are nifty, though mine ganged up on my Betta and picked on him.

So, basically, if you want a Betta, either put him in something smaller (no smaller than 2 gallons), or just let him have the whole 10 gallons to himself... I'm sure he wouldn't mind that at all

**Damon** · 07-25-2005, 09:35 PM

Thats about the only way to sex them (although I'm not sure about the color part). Danios can't become pregnant, only livebearers do. (Danios are egg-layers). They can and will spawn at anytime. They will scatter up to a cpl of hundred eggs all over the tank. Most will get eaten (if you are not using a breeding tank). A few may survive if you have cover for them to hide in. Not sure why she is swimmin off balance. Could be the early stage of swim bladder disease. All schooling fish will establish a pecking order. Females are generally dominant as they are bigger.

Huugs · 07-26-2005, 02:05 AM

Cheers. The biggest one which Im sure is female is the one swimming funny. She still seems to be swimming off-balance but from what I have read up on swimbladder, and seen with my goldfish, fish have a more front heavy look not falling sideways. She isnt staying around the bottom now although she is stilla bit off balance and swiming in circles a bit but she has come out of the corner more.

I think 2 of the others are femal then as they were really fat last night and they look thinner now.

The last one is quite a normal, more streamline shape than the others (doesnt look fat) so Im guessing he is a male. Is there a reason why he is a goldy brown though and not the same colours as the others?

**Damon** · 07-26-2005, 08:21 AM

Could be a different type of danio, could be a cross breed. Not really sure without pics.

Huugs · 07-26-2005, 09:47 AM

Well after spending about half hour trying to take pictures of this fish I didnt mange to get one you could seee the fish properly in so Ill have to try and get my bros camera and try with that.

The big one that is swimming weird is just sitting near the bottom again. its quite wierd really.

Any sugestions on a good diet for danios? They dont seem to be interested in peas or frozen bloodworms. Id prefer to only give them live every now and then for treats.

Hamm35924 · 07-26-2005, 09:50 AM

wont guppies like um, multiply?

**Cichlid Man** · 07-26-2005, 10:42 AM

Not if you have a betta with them.

Though male guppies and a betta are a no unless you have a big enough tank which you don't. Just have a betta on his own, you'll enjoy him more.

**Cichlid Man** · 07-26-2005, 10:49 AM

As I keep saying, variety is key, the more different types of food you give them the healthier they'll be and the more likely they'll breed.

Huugs · 07-26-2005, 12:17 PM

Breeding isnt a problem they seem to be doing plenty of that.
I know that variety is the key but I was wondering what are good danio friendly food? Mine dont seem to like frozen bloodworms or peas.

Hamm35924 · 07-26-2005, 01:23 PM

yeah, but i really sorta had my mind set on a community tank, ive been reading up on bettas and what they can be in tank with, and one was neon tetras, but if you guys think that they wouldnt work out, then how about something like a black skirt tetra? or black neon tetra?

07-25-2005, 12:05 PM	#1
Huugs Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London UK Age: 23 Posts: 251	A few Q's about Zebra Danios 1. How do you sex them? 2. How often could they become pregnant after just spawning? 3. My largest one which I think is female (dont ask me how) is swimming round and round in the corner. It sits on the bottom every now and then then swims round and round again. It also chases off the others and swims a bit off bonk (kinda partly towards one side) some of the time. No other physical or behavioural issues. Stills eats fine and swims fine just after eating when still looking for more. Any clues to why? Didnt know whether I should post in Disease, Breeding or do seperate posts but any advice would be very greatly appreciated. __________________ My tanks: Not big enough!

07-25-2005, 07:00 PM	#3
Hamm35924 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Age: 16 Posts: 229	neons or danios? i have a ten gallon tank and i've been debating wether to get some neon tetras or some zebra danios. ive heard danios are lively and entertain and hardy, but the neons are so pretty and would add some color to my tank. also i will be attempting to have my male betta in there, will he get angry at them because they are bright, or will he eat them? he didnt seem to like the ghost shrimp i tried to put in his tank once upon a time. (theyre both dead by now, partially because of him)

07-25-2005, 07:02 PM	#4
Scuba Kid Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: RI Age: 17 Posts: 4,160	i would never put a male betta in with neons. __________________ Current setups: 1800 gallon koi pond, 10 gallon planted, 150 gallon reef, other FOWLR tanks

07-25-2005, 07:44 PM	#6
fish_doc Advisor to Neptune (Mod) Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Northern Illinois Age: 40 Posts: 3,825	Danios may be a bit to lively for a 10 gallon tank. __________________ Dave (fish_doc) A World of fish

07-25-2005, 07:59 PM	#8
fish_doc Advisor to Neptune (Mod) Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Northern Illinois Age: 40 Posts: 3,825	The betta is the big issue. You could get away with several other types of fish. Glowlight tetras, Rummey nose tetra, White cloud minnows just to name a few. __________________ Dave (fish_doc) A World of fish

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07-25-2005, 06:54 PM	#2
Hamm35924 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Age: 16 Posts: 229	well males are more slender, mature females are fat, In the ordinary zebra danio, the males' yellow white areas (stripes and on the dorsal fin edge) are a much stronger yellow. males are usually smaller and more vibrant in color. that probably didnt help much but im sure someone else can be more descrpitive.

07-25-2005, 07:12 PM	#5
Hamm35924 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Age: 16 Posts: 229	because he'll be aggresive towards them?

07-25-2005, 07:55 PM	#7
Hamm35924 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Age: 16 Posts: 229	so is that a neither then?

07-25-2005, 08:40 PM	#9
Hamm35924 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Age: 16 Posts: 229	hmmm, well i suppose i dont need schooling fish. but i was also going to have a ballooon molly in there, and i've recently taken an intrest in dwarf gourami's. would that be a bad idea also?

07-25-2005, 09:00 PM	#10
fish_doc Advisor to Neptune (Mod) Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Northern Illinois Age: 40 Posts: 3,825	The gourami is unfortunally a bad choice with a betta. They are from the same group of fish and there could be issues. the mollys should be ok in there __________________ Dave (fish_doc) A World of fish

07-25-2005, 09:18 PM	#11
Vivid-Dawn Blue world bungler! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Utah Age: 30 Posts: 225	my suggestions Here's my opinion on what to get Danios are lively and entertaining, but they also like lots of room because of the liveliness...I wouldn't have them in anything less than a 15 gallon tank, and 20+ would be even better. I LOVE Neon Tetras... they're purdy! But yeah, a Betta wouldn't be a good choice with them. Gouramis are also very kewl, but Betta wouldn't go good with them, either. Guppies are nifty, though mine ganged up on my Betta and picked on him. So, basically, if you want a Betta, either put him in something smaller (no smaller than 2 gallons), or just let him have the whole 10 gallons to himself... I'm sure he wouldn't mind that at all __________________ I may be crazy, but it's kept me from goin' insane... ~~~ 50g/189L 3 Electric Yellow Cichlid (single male, pair female) 1 Kenyi Cichlid (male) --- 20g/75.5 1 fancy guppy (male) 5 long-fin Zebra Danio

07-25-2005, 09:35 PM	#12
Damon Aquatic Naturalist Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dayton, Ohio Age: 32 Posts: 14,982	Thats about the only way to sex them (although I'm not sure about the color part). Danios can't become pregnant, only livebearers do. (Danios are egg-layers). They can and will spawn at anytime. They will scatter up to a cpl of hundred eggs all over the tank. Most will get eaten (if you are not using a breeding tank). A few may survive if you have cover for them to hide in. Not sure why she is swimmin off balance. Could be the early stage of swim bladder disease. All schooling fish will establish a pecking order. Females are generally dominant as they are bigger. __________________ For in much wisdom [is] much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow. Member of the AGA (Aquatic Gardner's Association) Member of the IBC (International Betta Congress)

07-26-2005, 02:05 AM	#13
Huugs Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London UK Age: 23 Posts: 251	Cheers. The biggest one which Im sure is female is the one swimming funny. She still seems to be swimming off-balance but from what I have read up on swimbladder, and seen with my goldfish, fish have a more front heavy look not falling sideways. She isnt staying around the bottom now although she is stilla bit off balance and swiming in circles a bit but she has come out of the corner more. I think 2 of the others are femal then as they were really fat last night and they look thinner now. The last one is quite a normal, more streamline shape than the others (doesnt look fat) so Im guessing he is a male. Is there a reason why he is a goldy brown though and not the same colours as the others? __________________ My tanks: Not big enough!

07-26-2005, 08:21 AM	#14
Damon Aquatic Naturalist Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dayton, Ohio Age: 32 Posts: 14,982	Could be a different type of danio, could be a cross breed. Not really sure without pics. __________________ For in much wisdom [is] much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow. Member of the AGA (Aquatic Gardner's Association) Member of the IBC (International Betta Congress)

07-26-2005, 09:47 AM	#15
Huugs Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London UK Age: 23 Posts: 251	Well after spending about half hour trying to take pictures of this fish I didnt mange to get one you could seee the fish properly in so Ill have to try and get my bros camera and try with that. The big one that is swimming weird is just sitting near the bottom again. its quite wierd really. Any sugestions on a good diet for danios? They dont seem to be interested in peas or frozen bloodworms. Id prefer to only give them live every now and then for treats. __________________ My tanks: Not big enough!

07-26-2005, 09:50 AM	#16
Hamm35924 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Age: 16 Posts: 229	wont guppies like um, multiply?

07-26-2005, 10:42 AM	#17
Cichlid Man Super moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,100	Not if you have a betta with them. Though male guppies and a betta are a no unless you have a big enough tank which you don't. Just have a betta on his own, you'll enjoy him more. __________________ If you have a big enough tank with enough hiding places, pH of around 7, you can keep virtually any fish together as long as all the fish are around the same size and these two groups of fish are avioded: Serrasalmus Tetradon(figure eights and dwarfs are the exception). I keep a successful community of fish in a 4 foot tank including the following families: Cichlids, tetras, loaches, gouramis, barbs, rainbows, livebearers, killiefish, catfish, puffers.

07-26-2005, 10:49 AM	#18
Cichlid Man Super moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,100	As I keep saying, variety is key, the more different types of food you give them the healthier they'll be and the more likely they'll breed. __________________ If you have a big enough tank with enough hiding places, pH of around 7, you can keep virtually any fish together as long as all the fish are around the same size and these two groups of fish are avioded: Serrasalmus Tetradon(figure eights and dwarfs are the exception). I keep a successful community of fish in a 4 foot tank including the following families: Cichlids, tetras, loaches, gouramis, barbs, rainbows, livebearers, killiefish, catfish, puffers.

07-26-2005, 12:17 PM	#19
Huugs Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London UK Age: 23 Posts: 251	Breeding isnt a problem they seem to be doing plenty of that. I know that variety is the key but I was wondering what are good danio friendly food? Mine dont seem to like frozen bloodworms or peas. __________________ My tanks: Not big enough!

07-26-2005, 01:23 PM	#20
Hamm35924 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Age: 16 Posts: 229	yeah, but i really sorta had my mind set on a community tank, ive been reading up on bettas and what they can be in tank with, and one was neon tetras, but if you guys think that they wouldnt work out, then how about something like a black skirt tetra? or black neon tetra? Last edited by Hamm35924; 07-26-2005 at 01:37 PM.

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