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Old 05-25-2012, 11:32 PM   #1
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Question African Cichlids acting strange?

Here is a Youtube video link to how my Cichlids started acting today. They have been in the same tank for over 3 weeks and for some reason started acting like this just today? The yellow/black cichlid has always been the dominant fish of the tank so I thought that maybe the other was challenging him? Another thought was that they might be doing some sort of mating ritual, but I think they might be too young? Any ideas??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRr3m...ature=youtu.be
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Old 05-25-2012, 11:37 PM   #2
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looks more like mating ritual to me than anything else...
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Old 05-26-2012, 05:59 AM   #3
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I'd say a type of mating. Don't seem to be spawning but maybe courting as it may be.
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Old 05-26-2012, 08:29 AM   #4
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IMO the vertically-striped mbuna (kenyi?) seems to be in the early stages of challenging dominance by vigorously attempting to maintain a perpendicular stance vs the apparently dominant horizontally-striped melanochromis (auratus?).

The perpendicular stance is a way that upcoming challengers keep both their mouths and caudal fins away from another fish's mouth (i.e., their 'primary weapon'). To me the kenyi isn't quite yet read to engage in a lip-locking contest (which I think is what the auratus is vigorously trying to initiate). A loss at a liplocking bout can sometimes permanently assign a fish in to a sub-dominant role.

The kenyi doesn't want to present its caudal fin (tail fin) either because that gives the melanochromis assured dominant position (pursuer position). A mbuna which is chased has a hard time becoming a viable challenger or potential alpha fish.

Alpha fish can find this stance (which presents its opponent's broadside) to be provoking and frustrating.

In a sense the kenyi is 'stepping up' to the alpha fish while attempting not to present any vulnerabilities. This is essentially a first-stage 'contest of wills' (the kenyi has to maintain the perpendicular stance while the m. auratus has to attempt to undermine it and some how engage in lip locking or a long range pursuit (to cement its position as alpha fish).

This behavior resembles courting activity (which involves circling and intermittent pauses), but it seems apparent to me that the circling in the video is the auratus getting an opportunity to get at the kenyi's caudal fin and the kenyi adjusting its position.

In time (if the kenyi is able to maintain what it is doing) the kenyi will gain enough confidence to challenge the auratus (which will culminate in skirmishes and/or lip locking.

I'm wagering both participants are maturing juvenile males (if I'm right the kenyi will become a near solid yellowish fish and the melanochromis will become a black horizontally striped fish).

If I'm wrong then one of these fish will be mouthbrooding before long!
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Old 05-26-2012, 08:38 AM   #5
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I think kay-bee nailed it. They could also use alot more rock caves and nooks and crannies to hide in.
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Old 05-26-2012, 08:52 AM   #6
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Thanks for the explanation. Makes sense! Also, I do have a couple of structures in my tank that they both hide in and have claimed. You just can't see them in the video. We are in the process of looking for a new tank. I want somewhere between a 40-60 gallon. Just don't quite have the funds saved up yet
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Old 05-26-2012, 09:04 AM   #7
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i will retract what i suggested earlier and agree with kay-bee..as bv77 said..he nailed it...i haven't kept mbunas for years and have forgotten much...
thank you for the refresher course kay bee....sometimes we need to be reminded of things.....especially when we get old....lol...

if you are looking for a new tank ; look for something like a 40 long...it gives the fish more room to spread out.....and just a couple of structures is not enough....i have found that lots of piles of rocks works best...i would also suggest using rocks and substrate that will keep your PH up to about 8.4 or so...tufa rock or texas holey rock is good...crushed coral of dolomite is good for the substrate...
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Makes sense after reading and rewatching the video
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Old 05-26-2012, 09:44 AM   #9
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wow kay bee i was reading this thread and i, and the other users was trying to sort it out, and you came in and totally made us look like empty suits! i ain't blaming you bud, you just nailed it as the others said!
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Old 05-26-2012, 11:40 AM   #10
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I am going to be upgrading to a larger tank soon so I can give them more room and more places to hide.
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