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Old 11-25-2012, 04:55 PM   #16
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Default Need for cycling

I just recently set up a 10 gal tank with 2 fancy guppies. I did not cycle the tank. I spoke with several breeders stating that as long as you do regular water changes, don't overfeed your fish will be fine. My bio load is low. I change most of the water every weekend. I have not had any trouble not cycling. Fish are doing good since September.
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Old 11-25-2012, 07:03 PM   #17
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good thing i don't live in Alabama.....i couldn't pass the test.
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Old 11-25-2012, 07:45 PM   #18
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Once when I was inexperienced with guppies I asked one of the workers in petland discounts which was male and which was female. She's like I have no clue and she got another women (who knew the difference). Why are they working at a store with stuff they have no clue about.


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Old 11-25-2012, 08:29 PM   #19
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@ Ice, if his special test for fish would damage the economy in Alabama, imagine the damage nationwide. No offense, but I would vote for Santorum.

@ bullseyejoey, Because there are dogs and rodents and cats at petland too. Right? Not everyone in petland is a fish geek. It is not fishland. I say the aquatics specialists need to be a know it all in terms of fish.
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Old 11-25-2012, 08:59 PM   #20
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Santorum? When he succeeds in preventing birth control half of the work force will drop out to care for unwanted kids, guess what that drop in household spending power will do to the economy and the drop in tax revenue will do to the deficit. Plus the bump in crime from all of the hungry young people. Can you say Romania under Ceaușescu. He wanted more citizens to help the economy, he got fatal illegal abortions, an epidemic of abandoned & neglected children, recession and soaring crime rates.

8 hours of online class wouldn't break the big chains and might save a lot of fish.

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Old 11-27-2012, 06:59 AM   #21
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Loha, I'm sure you could probably WRITE the test, let alone pass it.
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Old 11-27-2012, 10:43 AM   #22
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@ Ice, if his special test for fish would damage the economy in Alabama, imagine the damage nationwide. No offense, but I would vote for Santorum.
Santorum!?!? Are you crazy? sigh.... you have a lot to learn about politics.
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Old 11-27-2012, 01:29 PM   #23
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Ok, well ignoring all of the other posts.... I have two stories to tell

Some hot shot teenager purchased A FULL GROWN parrot cichlid for a TEN GALLON TANK. I was like what the ****. I told the kid that he had no idea what he was doing with the ostentatious "fish specialist" saying it is fine!

The other instance was when a mom and daughter wanted a common plecostomus for a FIVE GALLON TANK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This was very cumbersome for me considering my passion for plecos. DO RESEARCH BEFORE YOU BUY SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I intervened both times, and lost both times...
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Old 11-27-2012, 02:06 PM   #24
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The most effective thing I've seen are the pics on the web of huge plecos and goldfish Show them a fish twice as long as the tank and people actually stop and think.
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Old 11-27-2012, 04:10 PM   #25
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Sometimes no matter how hard we try to intervene or stop them from making foolish mistakes, they're going to buy it no matter what. But hey, it's their money not yours. Let them learn the hard way. Eventually those are the ones that give up in a hurry.
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Old 11-27-2012, 05:22 PM   #26
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like i always tell folks.....
it's your money..your time..your energy........your tank........put whatever you want in it...
it is also your success or your failure...all up to you....
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Old 11-29-2012, 05:27 PM   #27
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I do have a story actually while i was at Petco i was asking the fish people questions that i already knew like "can this fish survive ammonia?" and they said "yes, all fish can as long as the Ph is good and level you fish will survive"
In my opinion i think the people in the fish dept just don't care they're only there for the money, i would've reported them but i decided to humor them.
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Old 11-29-2012, 05:38 PM   #28
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I gotta try that with a fish expert in Petsmart someday.... mwhahahahahahaha!
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Old 11-29-2012, 05:56 PM   #29
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Ok, it should be said here that the Petco guy in that case was almost right.
If the pH is low enough, any ammonia in the tank will be in the form of ammonium, which is relatively harmless. I'm sure the petco guy didn't know or mean that, but there it is anyway. this is why you shouldn't try to acclimate fish which have been bagged up for a few days, but instead just plop them into their new home. Ammonium in the bag will have built up quite a bit, but the pH in the bag will have also dropped considerably. While the shock of sudden transfer would be harsh, it's still better than the pH increase in the ammonium-laden water which would turn it into ammonia, poisoning the fish.
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Old 11-29-2012, 06:16 PM   #30
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I'd like to say a few things about the state of the aquarium hobby and the economy as it pertains to my plan to force petshops to shape up or get shut down, since some of you seem to think that would be a bad thing.

Our hobby is in trouble. Animal-rights idiots, politicians looking for feelgood legislation, and loss of hobbyists are all closing in on us. We are also having problems with recruiting new hobbyists. Videogames are a major competitor for the attention of young people, but a much bigger problem is the failure rate among new fishkeepers.

When fish stores are run by idiots who have no business being in the fish business, they cannot give new hobbyists the guidance they need at this critical time. Those new hobbyists wind up giving up after awhile in frustration. Even worse, they sometimes do stuff like release their fish into the wild. This puts a huge bullseye on our hobby's back, and believe me, there's plenty of folks taking shots at us.

To add insult to this injury, the good stores run by skilled people are often put out of business by these incompetents.

Even worse, the big box fish shops carry certain fish and don't carry certain fish, and as we all know, the choices are frequently just the opposite of what they should be. Not only are new hobbyists having species foisted upon them that they aren't prepared to keep, some species are themselves being pushed to extinction.
Yes, that's right.
Do you know how many fish are extinct in the wild while still seen in the hobby? It's quite a surprising number. When the bigboxers don't carry them and the little guys are out of business, the farms stop growing them. We could wind up losing things like Cherry Barbs, White Clouds and even Bettas forever if this isn't corrected very soon.

The bad stores have to GO. They are a menace to our hobby on every level. Is it really asking too much that a store dealing in live animals has a demonstrated level of competence with them?

So some people lose their jobs. So what? They'll get replaced by people who CAN pass the test and thusly we'll ensure the future success of the hobby and industry which are currently imperiled.
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