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12-19-2012, 11:58 AM
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Discus help!
A few days ago I posted the thread Angelfish help... now I need help with my discus. I just bought two more juveniles yesterday making a total of five discus that will hopefully pair up in the future. The issue is that they don't look like they're doing so well... I've rescued a sick discus from a bad pet store and he's healthy now so I don't think I'm doing anything wrong. Anyways, they're literally lying on their sides sometimes against the tank and sometimes just completely horizontal on the ground. I got these guys from a good pet store and they look healthy from their appearance so i dunno what's going on. Can anyone help me?
Grace
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12-19-2012, 01:11 PM
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what are your water parameters? that would be the first thing I would check, along with temp., and maybe add an airstone if you don't already have one, just to be sure they have enough oxygen. Do you have a good test kit for ammonia, ph, nitrites, nitrates? Have you done a partial water change? what kind of appetite do they have? Sorry to ask so many questions, but more information would be helpful.
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20 gal; well planted
2 angelfish
4 cherrybarbs
5 cardinal tetras
1 dwarf gourami
3 oto catfish
1 bristlenose pleco
1 crown tail betta
2 rasboras
1 cory cat
a few shrimp
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12-19-2012, 01:21 PM
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i agree with c. king.....first thing to make sure of is temp and parameters....i would
take the temp to 86-88...do a water change...then test.....
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if we ignore nature;maybe it will go away
10 gallon..nothing but air
10 gallon...just more air
10 gallon...stale air
just don't ask about the rest
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12-20-2012, 09:04 AM
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Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrate, all zero. I have the API master test kit. Upped the temperature a bit to about 87 degrees. Did a water change. They are looking better now for the most part. I think the water might be pretty hard though so I guess I'll try to fix that.
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12-20-2012, 09:30 AM
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whats your ph? don't try to fix it with chemicals like ph up or ph down! that can lead to ph bouncing-worse off than before! Discus need soft water. If your tap water is hard, might want to use RO water in water changes.
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20 gal; well planted
2 angelfish
4 cherrybarbs
5 cardinal tetras
1 dwarf gourami
3 oto catfish
1 bristlenose pleco
1 crown tail betta
2 rasboras
1 cory cat
a few shrimp
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12-20-2012, 09:36 AM
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also, I wonder why your nitrates are zero? If the bacteria is working, it should be changing the nitrites into nitrates, which should at least register. Have you done anything lately that could have killed off the good bacteria?
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20 gal; well planted
2 angelfish
4 cherrybarbs
5 cardinal tetras
1 dwarf gourami
3 oto catfish
1 bristlenose pleco
1 crown tail betta
2 rasboras
1 cory cat
a few shrimp
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12-20-2012, 09:46 AM
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Well, the Nitrate is ~0, so there is a little bit. It was just easier for me to say zero. And I would think that the ammonia would spike if the bacteria died. The man at my LFS gave me some RO water and now my other discus aren't doing too well...
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12-20-2012, 11:35 AM
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depends how much they dump into the tank, try adding a little food they wont eat to add to the ammonia, nitrates of 0 isnt good from what im told, it should be at least 10ppm as a good average, mind you id swap as my nitrates in my smaller tank spike like a nutter no matter what i do,
wouldnt hsave though thr ro would have caused it, unless he gave you a container used for salted ro that wasnt rinsed properly or even worse gave you salted ro for marine.
maybe the one that was sick hadnt fully healed and has now passed it on,
buy yourself some Pure Cajeput Essential Oil & BAY (West Indian) Essential Oil and make your own melafix and pimafix, will save you a fortune, add 1ml to 99ml of distilled water and hey ho off you go 
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12-20-2012, 03:24 PM
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Huh, so where can I find these oils?
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12-20-2012, 03:38 PM
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they are all over the place...just google the names of the essential oils and they will pop up..
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PLECOCAINE = feeding frenzy=PLECOCAINE
if we ignore nature;maybe it will go away
10 gallon..nothing but air
10 gallon...just more air
10 gallon...stale air
just don't ask about the rest
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12-20-2012, 03:42 PM
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make sure you get the Pure Cajeput Essential Oil not tea tree oil, there is a difference, the cajeput is a lot better
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1 Albino Red Oscar
1 Red Tail Black Shark
1 Bristlenose Plec
1 Mega Clown Plec
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12-20-2012, 07:43 PM
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What's exactly wrong with them??
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12-21-2012, 02:52 PM
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Their fins are clamped, they won't stay up straight, it looks like they're dead sometimes... i don't know. I really don't know as much about discus as I should...
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12-21-2012, 05:58 PM
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jbl site has a diagnosis system for disease and the like, dunno if that would help in any way, one of my dwarf gourami is sick, is difficult cos you cant use melafix on them, hasnt shown any real signs of whats wrong except its fins are spiked not clamped, his scales are not sticking out so rules out dropsy, sits at the top of the tank doing nothing, it is off colour, seems theres a disease called dwarf gourami disease with no cure, summing to do with breeders in asia, keeping an eye on all the other fish and they are fine, even the other gourami, is hard to diagnose sometimes 
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1 Albino Red Oscar
1 Red Tail Black Shark
1 Bristlenose Plec
1 Mega Clown Plec
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12-21-2012, 09:23 PM
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What are your water parameters? How long has this tank been set up? What else is in the tank? What size tank?
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