frogs/fish

mermaid · 07-21-2005, 08:47 PM

is there a way to do a setup with both frogs and fish in an aquarium? or maybe lizards and fish? i think thatd be REALLY cool... i saw a pic on the back of some magazine at walmart and it had a kit where you could have like a waterfall type filter system and frogs and fish could be in there together... any ideas? thanks!

fishfreaks · 07-21-2005, 08:54 PM

do you mean aquatic frogs? if so, then yes you can do frogs and fish, but i wouldnt do the lizards and fish, i dont think that would be a good mix

maxpayne_lhp · 07-21-2005, 09:07 PM

How big is your tank?

mermaid · 07-21-2005, 09:10 PM

no not aquatic frogs... LOL i have a few of those... here... lemme try to find an example, or maybe the magazine

but like.... ugh... h.o

oh and i dont have an aquarium yet... i guess id figure that out if i figured out how to create the setup heh

mermaid · 07-21-2005, 09:18 PM

lmao... this is the pic i created ::im a horrible artist::

fishfreaks · 07-22-2005, 04:27 AM

do you know what kind of fish it was? you first should check out local stores, see what frogs theyve got to offer, and then decide which you want, then you will know how to house them properly. some frogs can be placed with fish, others cannot. we for instance have a fire belly toad, and they sometimes get guppy friends...but of course theyre food.

**Cichlid Man** · 07-22-2005, 04:56 AM

You have to have a big enough tank and big enough fish not to get eaten by the frogs to be successful. Also the shape of the tank is also vital. I mean it's no good housing them in a 200g tank.................that is the shape of a standing up cylinder and has not much surface area. The best setup is a tank with moderate length and great width, but not very tall, say 3ft by 2ft by 1ft would be ideal. Then you need a sloping bank of gravel or sand (not too fine otherwise the frogs slime coat will become damaged) sloping towards one side, say six or.... seven inches. Then give the frogs plenty of hiding places in the form of caves and burrows to make them feel more secure. Make sure you by carnivorious fish so if any of the frogs food falls into the water by mistake then the fish will happily munch it up to aviod pollution of the system. Because this setup is a bit of a challenge, you can allways use the similar setup above and use either fidler crabs or rainbow crabs instead of frogs, I've seen them keep white cloud mountain minnows with rainbow crabs at the lfs, and this shallow water environement is also idea for breeding the WCMM.
I don't think keeping lizards would be a good choice, but some sort of snakes would thrive in this environement for example grass snakes or common water snakes. On a large scale, even pythons and boas can be akin to this environement.

**Scuba Kid** · 07-22-2005, 07:12 AM

just out of curiousity, why wouldnt lizards thrive like this?

**Cichlid Man** · 07-22-2005, 07:20 AM

Though some lizards can swim well and live in humid conditions. They arn't adapted like frogs are and some lizards don't get on well with large fish.

**Scuba Kid** · 07-22-2005, 07:25 AM

oooh okay
thanks

Pareeeee · 07-22-2005, 07:51 AM

Mermaid, I believe you are referring to a palaudarium, as pictured here. (I have always wanted to set one up

)

I would recommend that you don't get any poisonous frogs (ie, Poison Dart Frogs, Firebelly toads) although they may not hurt your fish when they decide to go for a swim, there's always that chance that the poison can hurt a particular fish.
The tank would have to be medium to large size for you to be able to make a palaudarium, unless you are getting very small frogs and fish. Because, in order to make land and water in the same tank, it takes up more space.
Also, be sure that the 'land' in the tank is not made from mud/soil, because that could and probably would contaminate the water section. Plants can always be planted in small pots and hidden in substrate - that is if you want plants.

Be prepared that this may not be as easy as it seems.
Best of luck!

maxpayne_lhp · 07-22-2005, 08:52 AM

Characin Gal's offered set up looks great and attractive. Though I really think it's quite space consuming. To get a big space for fish... and requires a good filter and maintaince.

**Cichlid Man** · 07-22-2005, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maxpayne_lhp

Characin Gal's offered set up looks great and attractive. Though I really think it's quite space consuming. To get a big space for fish... and requires a good filter and maintaince.

In fact, because the water level is low and not many fish will be kept, filteration dosn't need to be that great.

euRasian32 · 07-22-2005, 11:57 AM

CG: great pic/great find. That is a really nice setup.

On a smaller scale: a terrarium would be an alternative, although keeping fish alive would be the hard part, especially in a newly established tank. I've seen kits made by "tetra?", that has everything you need for a 20Long. It has the divider and a water slide so when the submersible pump takes in water it channels up to the slide and then down into the pool. The one I saw set up, had the pool with very little pea gravel, and the "land side" had pea gravel stacked up with a layer of moss, and some plants. It had lil frogs and newts (which are lizard like) but no fishes.

I don't know if the kit is still available, it has been a while since I saw it. I successfully kept a turtle and tree frogs in a 35 hex with a 3 tier terrarium. The highest tier had soil for some non toxic houseplants, the middle tier was stacked with peagravel, and the bottom tier was the pool. I had a 25gph submersible filter with a hose that sent the water trickling over the stacked pea gravel in the second tier, which flowed over into the pool. I used pieces of acrylic for the tiers along with tank safe acrylic glue.

The idea was shot from the hip, becaus the hex had a small leak so I converted it. The leak was where I put the third highest tier with the soil and plants, and never had a problem. I still have the tank, my brother is using it right now for his daughters iggy. I could take some pics the next time I'm there, the weekend of July 30-31.

awesome kid · 07-22-2005, 05:03 PM

euRasian32 can you get some pics for me, because i also have a 35 hex, im like, what can i do with this...now i have a possibility

Lexus · 07-22-2005, 05:13 PM

I have a Newt/feeder guppy setup. It is a mess, the food never gets eaten in time because of the lazy newts and because it is a 10G there is basically no room for fish with it only half full. I thought it would be fun too until I realized how boring my newts were and that all I could fit was some feeder guppys.

fishfreaks · 07-22-2005, 06:34 PM

lexus, have you tried a dish? my newt always comes out when its feeding time, and it doesnt eat just guppies. it'll eat blackworms, shrimp pellets and crickets too.

mermaid · 07-22-2005, 06:51 PM

thanks everyone... yeah i didnt really want to do it with lizards, ive just loved frogs my whole life

thanks for the pic charcin gal... thats exactly what i would like!
i just still have no idea how to go about doing it... i could use my 55g, its about to be empty because i have three young oscars in it that will be upgraded to a 100g-150g asap... they grow to fast :P but im getting a job in about a month, so no worries

euRasian32... i dont really understand what you mean, like i get the layers thing. i just dont get how to make sure everything stays in place and doesnt tumble into the water, sorry im a little on the blonde side LOL oh and whats an iggy???

thanks everyone tho!!!

Lexus · 07-22-2005, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishfreaks

lexus, have you tried a dish? my newt always comes out when its feeding time, and it doesnt eat just guppies. it'll eat blackworms, shrimp pellets and crickets too.

We feed them frozen brine shrimp. They dont eat the guppies. All they do is sit in the stupid peace lily plant, not even on the rock. Plus they dont swim ever!

mermaid · 07-22-2005, 08:10 PM

oh, ummm what types of snakes can go in to this kinda aquarium setup (instead of frogs of course) are there any kinds of snakes that stay small that could be in this setup? thanks... oh and does anyone know any websites i could go to to get more ideas? thanks again

07-21-2005, 08:47 PM	#1
mermaid Princess of the Ocean Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Florida Age: 19 Posts: 56	frogs/fish is there a way to do a setup with both frogs and fish in an aquarium? or maybe lizards and fish? i think thatd be REALLY cool... i saw a pic on the back of some magazine at walmart and it had a kit where you could have like a waterfall type filter system and frogs and fish could be in there together... any ideas? thanks! __________________ everything happens for a reason... and if you dont know the reason, well there is a reason for that too! Last edited by mermaid; 07-22-2005 at 08:12 PM.

07-21-2005, 08:54 PM	#2
fishfreaks M&F Couple Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: PA Age: 21 Posts: 4,303	do you mean aquatic frogs? if so, then yes you can do frogs and fish, but i wouldnt do the lizards and fish, i dont think that would be a good mix __________________ VOTE FOR FISH FORUMS

07-21-2005, 09:07 PM	#3
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07-21-2005, 09:10 PM	#4
mermaid Princess of the Ocean Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Florida Age: 19 Posts: 56	no not aquatic frogs... LOL i have a few of those... here... lemme try to find an example, or maybe the magazine but like.... ugh... h.o oh and i dont have an aquarium yet... i guess id figure that out if i figured out how to create the setup heh __________________ everything happens for a reason... and if you dont know the reason, well there is a reason for that too! Last edited by mermaid; 07-22-2005 at 08:12 PM.

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07-22-2005, 04:27 AM	#6
fishfreaks M&F Couple Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: PA Age: 21 Posts: 4,303	do you know what kind of fish it was? you first should check out local stores, see what frogs theyve got to offer, and then decide which you want, then you will know how to house them properly. some frogs can be placed with fish, others cannot. we for instance have a fire belly toad, and they sometimes get guppy friends...but of course theyre food. __________________ VOTE FOR FISH FORUMS

07-22-2005, 04:56 AM	#7
Cichlid Man Super moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,100	You have to have a big enough tank and big enough fish not to get eaten by the frogs to be successful. Also the shape of the tank is also vital. I mean it's no good housing them in a 200g tank.................that is the shape of a standing up cylinder and has not much surface area. The best setup is a tank with moderate length and great width, but not very tall, say 3ft by 2ft by 1ft would be ideal. Then you need a sloping bank of gravel or sand (not too fine otherwise the frogs slime coat will become damaged) sloping towards one side, say six or.... seven inches. Then give the frogs plenty of hiding places in the form of caves and burrows to make them feel more secure. Make sure you by carnivorious fish so if any of the frogs food falls into the water by mistake then the fish will happily munch it up to aviod pollution of the system. Because this setup is a bit of a challenge, you can allways use the similar setup above and use either fidler crabs or rainbow crabs instead of frogs, I've seen them keep white cloud mountain minnows with rainbow crabs at the lfs, and this shallow water environement is also idea for breeding the WCMM. I don't think keeping lizards would be a good choice, but some sort of snakes would thrive in this environement for example grass snakes or common water snakes. On a large scale, even pythons and boas can be akin to this environement. __________________ If you have a big enough tank with enough hiding places, pH of around 7, you can keep virtually any fish together as long as all the fish are around the same size and these two groups of fish are avioded: Serrasalmus Tetradon(figure eights and dwarfs are the exception). I keep a successful community of fish in a 4 foot tank including the following families: Cichlids, tetras, loaches, gouramis, barbs, rainbows, livebearers, killiefish, catfish, puffers. Last edited by Cichlid Man; 07-22-2005 at 04:58 AM.

07-22-2005, 07:12 AM	#8
Scuba Kid Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: RI Age: 17 Posts: 4,161	just out of curiousity, why wouldnt lizards thrive like this? __________________ Current setups: 1800 gallon koi pond, 10 gallon planted, 150 gallon reef, other FOWLR tanks

07-22-2005, 07:20 AM	#9
Cichlid Man Super moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,100	Though some lizards can swim well and live in humid conditions. They arn't adapted like frogs are and some lizards don't get on well with large fish. __________________ If you have a big enough tank with enough hiding places, pH of around 7, you can keep virtually any fish together as long as all the fish are around the same size and these two groups of fish are avioded: Serrasalmus Tetradon(figure eights and dwarfs are the exception). I keep a successful community of fish in a 4 foot tank including the following families: Cichlids, tetras, loaches, gouramis, barbs, rainbows, livebearers, killiefish, catfish, puffers.

07-22-2005, 07:25 AM	#10
Scuba Kid Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: RI Age: 17 Posts: 4,161	oooh okay thanks __________________ Current setups: 1800 gallon koi pond, 10 gallon planted, 150 gallon reef, other FOWLR tanks

07-22-2005, 07:51 AM	#11
Pareeeee Stargate Fan! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Ontario, Canada, EH! Age: 21 Posts: 350	Mermaid, I believe you are referring to a palaudarium, as pictured here. (I have always wanted to set one up ) I would recommend that you don't get any poisonous frogs (ie, Poison Dart Frogs, Firebelly toads) although they may not hurt your fish when they decide to go for a swim, there's always that chance that the poison can hurt a particular fish. The tank would have to be medium to large size for you to be able to make a palaudarium, unless you are getting very small frogs and fish. Because, in order to make land and water in the same tank, it takes up more space. Also, be sure that the 'land' in the tank is not made from mud/soil, because that could and probably would contaminate the water section. Plants can always be planted in small pots and hidden in substrate - that is if you want plants. Be prepared that this may not be as easy as it seems. Best of luck! __________________ Pareeeeee ><((((º> -------------- Please Visit my site! --------------- My Critters: FW 33gal heavily planted and overstocked Blue, a lonely male killer melanochromis in a 5gal... Auzzie, a lazy Bearded dragon gal Pepper and Little Missy - my two cutest ratties in the world.

07-22-2005, 08:52 AM	#12
maxpayne_lhp Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: West Michigan Age: 20 Posts: 2,174	Characin Gal's offered set up looks great and attractive. Though I really think it's quite space consuming. To get a big space for fish... and requires a good filter and maintaince. __________________ ~Nam Nguyen~

07-22-2005, 11:57 AM	#14
euRasian32 Why So Serious? Join Date: May 2005 Location: Virginia Age: 33 Posts: 771	CG: great pic/great find. That is a really nice setup. On a smaller scale: a terrarium would be an alternative, although keeping fish alive would be the hard part, especially in a newly established tank. I've seen kits made by "tetra?", that has everything you need for a 20Long. It has the divider and a water slide so when the submersible pump takes in water it channels up to the slide and then down into the pool. The one I saw set up, had the pool with very little pea gravel, and the "land side" had pea gravel stacked up with a layer of moss, and some plants. It had lil frogs and newts (which are lizard like) but no fishes. I don't know if the kit is still available, it has been a while since I saw it. I successfully kept a turtle and tree frogs in a 35 hex with a 3 tier terrarium. The highest tier had soil for some non toxic houseplants, the middle tier was stacked with peagravel, and the bottom tier was the pool. I had a 25gph submersible filter with a hose that sent the water trickling over the stacked pea gravel in the second tier, which flowed over into the pool. I used pieces of acrylic for the tiers along with tank safe acrylic glue. The idea was shot from the hip, becaus the hex had a small leak so I converted it. The leak was where I put the third highest tier with the soil and plants, and never had a problem. I still have the tank, my brother is using it right now for his daughters iggy. I could take some pics the next time I'm there, the weekend of July 30-31. __________________ “Corporations pay people just enough money so they won’t quit. People work just enough so they don’t get fired. What's that about?” – Christopher Walken, Pool Hall Junkies

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07-22-2005, 05:13 PM	#16
Lexus Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Wisconsin Age: 22 Posts: 2,402	I have a Newt/feeder guppy setup. It is a mess, the food never gets eaten in time because of the lazy newts and because it is a 10G there is basically no room for fish with it only half full. I thought it would be fun too until I realized how boring my newts were and that all I could fit was some feeder guppys. __________________ 55 Gallon 2 Blood Parrots 2 Angelfish 1 Fantail Goldfish 46 Gallon 1 Albino Bristlenose 2 Angelfish 4 African Dwarf Frogs 4 Black Skirt Tetras 6 Zebra Danios 8 Tiger Barbs 11 Assorted Corys 29 Gallon 8 Daffodil Cichlids & fry 1 Electric Blue Crayfish 10 Gallon 1 Betta 15 Neon Tetras

07-22-2005, 06:34 PM	#17
fishfreaks M&F Couple Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: PA Age: 21 Posts: 4,303	lexus, have you tried a dish? my newt always comes out when its feeding time, and it doesnt eat just guppies. it'll eat blackworms, shrimp pellets and crickets too. __________________ VOTE FOR FISH FORUMS

07-22-2005, 06:51 PM	#18
mermaid Princess of the Ocean Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Florida Age: 19 Posts: 56	thanks everyone... yeah i didnt really want to do it with lizards, ive just loved frogs my whole life thanks for the pic charcin gal... thats exactly what i would like! i just still have no idea how to go about doing it... i could use my 55g, its about to be empty because i have three young oscars in it that will be upgraded to a 100g-150g asap... they grow to fast :P but im getting a job in about a month, so no worries euRasian32... i dont really understand what you mean, like i get the layers thing. i just dont get how to make sure everything stays in place and doesnt tumble into the water, sorry im a little on the blonde side LOL oh and whats an iggy??? thanks everyone tho!!! __________________ everything happens for a reason... and if you dont know the reason, well there is a reason for that too! Last edited by mermaid; 07-22-2005 at 07:36 PM.

07-22-2005, 08:10 PM	#20
mermaid Princess of the Ocean Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Florida Age: 19 Posts: 56	oh, ummm what types of snakes can go in to this kinda aquarium setup (instead of frogs of course) are there any kinds of snakes that stay small that could be in this setup? thanks... oh and does anyone know any websites i could go to to get more ideas? thanks again __________________ everything happens for a reason... and if you dont know the reason, well there is a reason for that too!

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