Angelfish size to calculate stock

Sylvia27 · 10-12-2005, 03:22 PM

Hi:

I am setting up my new tank and I'm calculating the maximum size of my fish in order to have an idea of inches per gallon.

How much should I count for my angels? The maximum size is 6", but do I have to take the tails into account or only the body?

My tank looks empty, but according to the inch per gallon calculation, I'm already overstocked.

I'm planning to bring my pleco back to the store since he'll definitely grow too big and he doesn't ever show himself anyway...

Sylvia

Lexus · 10-12-2005, 03:38 PM

3 full grown angels wont fit in a 30G with other fish. I have 2 almost full grown in a 55g and they are huge, the size of my hand they take up a lot of space. I know people keep breeding pairs in 30g talls and they are fine but I believe they are kept to themselves. I now have 4 angels in a 55 and am worried about fighting and about their size once the little ones are grown.

are you keeping them in the 30 or are they going in a bigger tank?

Sylvia27 · 10-12-2005, 04:08 PM

They will be staying in this tank.

I was just thinking to add a couple of swordtails.
That would be nice. Would that work?

Sylvia

Chazwick · 10-12-2005, 04:13 PM

As far as i can see 1 or 2 female swordtails would be fine

goodie · 10-12-2005, 04:16 PM

The inch per gallon rule isnt really the best way to see how many fish are too many. Just a quick example; 10 1 inch neons in a 10 gallon would be good. On the other hand 1 10inch oscar would most definitely NOT be good. The longer fish get, the thicker and/or taller they get also, so you need to take in account for that too. Instead of just looking at total length, look at adult total body mass.

**Scuba Kid** · 10-12-2005, 04:58 PM

the bioload also needs to be taken into consideration.

osteoporoosi · 10-13-2005, 06:38 AM

Just remember that every fish has it own water requirements. For example angelfish needs soft, acidid water. Swordtail prefers the opposite, so they are not the best tankmates.
Angelfish grows up to 6-7 inches, and need a very tall tank, the minimum is 17-18 inches tall tank.

**Fishfirst** · 10-13-2005, 08:23 AM

Why not some larger tetras, or something the perfers the same water conditions your angels would like?

sonofbreeder · 10-13-2005, 08:55 AM

it would be better if you just want angels to just keep 2 angels in the 30 gallon because if you get lucky and you get a breeding pair nothing else will be able to live in the tank the pair will kill it and a regular 30 gallon tank is enough for 2 angels, a 20 high would be enough even angels only need 5 gallons of water when they are fully grown if you want some more info read this site http://www.angelsplus.com/AllAboutAngelfish.htm it will tell you everything you need to know

Sylvia27 · 10-13-2005, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chazwick

As far as i can see 1 or 2 female swordtails would be fine

Why not a male and female?

Sylvia

Sylvia27 · 10-13-2005, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by osteoporoosi

Just remember that every fish has it own water requirements. For example angelfish needs soft, acidid water. Swordtail prefers the opposite, so they are not the best tankmates.
Angelfish grows up to 6-7 inches, and need a very tall tank, the minimum is 17-18 inches tall tank.

I don't think I ever test for water softness / acidity.
I test pH, which is 7.5, NH3NH4 which is 0 and nitrates which is 0.

Sylvia

**Fishfirst** · 10-13-2005, 11:57 AM

a low pH usually means low alkalinity. 7.5 probably reflects a somewhat low alkalinity, although a test would be more accurate. Hardness you would also need to test. Most lfs's will test water for free.

Chazwick · 10-13-2005, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sylvia27

Why not a male and female?

Sylvia

I've heard the males are semi-aggressive, they can get quite territorial and nippy. But it's your call really.

DavidDoyle · 10-14-2005, 11:05 PM

3 angels dont belong in a 30- eventually there will be fewer most likely. Angels just love sword fry too.

10-12-2005, 03:22 PM	#1
Sylvia27 Fishy Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Age: 37 Posts: 23	Angelfish size to calculate stock Hi: I am setting up my new tank and I'm calculating the maximum size of my fish in order to have an idea of inches per gallon. How much should I count for my angels? The maximum size is 6", but do I have to take the tails into account or only the body? My tank looks empty, but according to the inch per gallon calculation, I'm already overstocked. I'm planning to bring my pleco back to the store since he'll definitely grow too big and he doesn't ever show himself anyway... Sylvia __________________ cold 15 gallon goldfish tank 3 goldfish warm 30 gallon tropical tank 2 white angel 1 blackveil angels 1 snail 2 dwarf gourami 1 shark catfish 2 cory catfish

10-12-2005, 03:38 PM	#2
Lexus Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Wisconsin Age: 22 Posts: 2,406	3 full grown angels wont fit in a 30G with other fish. I have 2 almost full grown in a 55g and they are huge, the size of my hand they take up a lot of space. I know people keep breeding pairs in 30g talls and they are fine but I believe they are kept to themselves. I now have 4 angels in a 55 and am worried about fighting and about their size once the little ones are grown. are you keeping them in the 30 or are they going in a bigger tank? __________________ 55 Gallon 2 Blood Parrots 2 Angelfish 1 Fantail Goldfish 46 Gallon 1 Albino Bristlenose 2 Angelfish 4 African Dwarf Frogs 4 Black Skirt Tetras 5 Zebra Danios 8 Tiger Barbs 9 Neon Tetras 13 Assorted Corys 29 Gallon 8 Daffodil Cichlids & fry 1 Electric Blue Crayfish 10 Gallon 2 Snails

10-12-2005, 04:08 PM	#3
Sylvia27 Fishy Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Age: 37 Posts: 23	They will be staying in this tank. I was just thinking to add a couple of swordtails. That would be nice. Would that work? Sylvia __________________ cold 15 gallon goldfish tank 3 goldfish warm 30 gallon tropical tank 2 white angel 1 blackveil angels 1 snail 2 dwarf gourami 1 shark catfish 2 cory catfish

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Scuba Kid Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: RI Age: 18 Posts: 4,221	the bioload also needs to be taken into consideration. __________________ Current setups: 1800 gallon koi pond, 10 gallon planted, 150 gallon reef, other FOWLR tanks

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10-12-2005, 04:13 PM	#4
Chazwick <3 Break it... Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Inside Your Skull <3 Age: 17 Posts: 404	As far as i can see 1 or 2 female swordtails would be fine

10-12-2005, 04:16 PM	#5
goodie Babysitter for hire Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: S.E. MO Age: 35 Posts: 475	The inch per gallon rule isnt really the best way to see how many fish are too many. Just a quick example; 10 1 inch neons in a 10 gallon would be good. On the other hand 1 10inch oscar would most definitely NOT be good. The longer fish get, the thicker and/or taller they get also, so you need to take in account for that too. Instead of just looking at total length, look at adult total body mass.

10-13-2005, 08:23 AM	#8
Fishfirst Fish Guru Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Northern Wisconsin Age: 24 Posts: 3,546	Why not some larger tetras, or something the perfers the same water conditions your angels would like? __________________ 210 Gal Reef w/ 55 Gallon Sump/Fuge, 125 Gal Fish Only, 65 Gal Seahorse-29 Gallon Sump, 55 Gal FOWLR, 54 Gal Corner FW Community, 20 Gal Nano FOWLR, 55 Gal Piranha, 29 gallon QT "All the yellow tangs and clownfish in the world can't save you now! hahahah" Peter from Family Guy

10-13-2005, 08:55 AM	#9
sonofbreeder Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Chicago Age: 18 Posts: 217	it would be better if you just want angels to just keep 2 angels in the 30 gallon because if you get lucky and you get a breeding pair nothing else will be able to live in the tank the pair will kill it and a regular 30 gallon tank is enough for 2 angels, a 20 high would be enough even angels only need 5 gallons of water when they are fully grown if you want some more info read this site http://www.angelsplus.com/AllAboutAngelfish.htm it will tell you everything you need to know

10-13-2005, 11:57 AM	#12
Fishfirst Fish Guru Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Northern Wisconsin Age: 24 Posts: 3,546	a low pH usually means low alkalinity. 7.5 probably reflects a somewhat low alkalinity, although a test would be more accurate. Hardness you would also need to test. Most lfs's will test water for free. __________________ 210 Gal Reef w/ 55 Gallon Sump/Fuge, 125 Gal Fish Only, 65 Gal Seahorse-29 Gallon Sump, 55 Gal FOWLR, 54 Gal Corner FW Community, 20 Gal Nano FOWLR, 55 Gal Piranha, 29 gallon QT "All the yellow tangs and clownfish in the world can't save you now! hahahah" Peter from Family Guy

10-14-2005, 11:05 PM	#14
DavidDoyle Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Age: 89 Posts: 497	3 angels dont belong in a 30- eventually there will be fewer most likely. Angels just love sword fry too.

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