new fish for my 30g

Dez · 10-26-2005, 05:14 AM

im thinking of getting some more fish for my 30g community tank but i cnt make my mind up what to get. has any1 got any suggestions?

Jonno · 10-26-2005, 05:21 AM

you could go for community fish, like tetras and for bottom feeders get a nice lot of cory's

**TheOldSalt** · 10-26-2005, 07:24 AM

I suppose it depends on what you already have

Dez · 10-26-2005, 07:24 AM

i was thinking of sommert thats not extreamly common if you now what a mean

MyraVan · 10-26-2005, 07:32 AM

Loaches aren't all that common, not as common as tetras and cories anyway. You appreciate loaches, I can tell by your avatar (clowns). How about some other loaches, like kuhli?

Lydia · 10-26-2005, 07:41 AM

What do you have in the tank?

Dez · 10-26-2005, 09:46 AM

iv got:
1 clown loach
1 red fin columbian
1 albino rainbo shark
2 rasbora maculatas
2 harlequins
1 cuming barbs
1 tetra
and 2 other fish which i have forgotten what they are.
These are al in my 30g tank

osteoporoosi · 10-26-2005, 10:54 AM

Well firstly there is plenty of fish in your tank that don't fit there. You also have schooling fish without schools.

The clown loach will grow too large for a 30 gallon, and they are also schooling fish. 150 gallons/school would be enough.

tetras, barbs and both rasbora species are shoalers also, 6 or more is the minimum schoolsize.

the rainbow shark also grows rather large(and sometimes aggressive) for your tank.

What are your routines, how often do you change the water, etc.?

Dez · 10-26-2005, 11:11 AM

i change the water weekly.
but i have had all them fish now for over a year and half of them fish have been there since i first started keeping fish. shoaling fish dont have to be seem in shoals thats just when there seen at there best. also if i may add my clown loach is currently at 3.5" and has not grown much because they grow to the size of there enviroment.

Dez · 10-26-2005, 11:52 AM

by the way am not contredicting you am just sayin thats my experiance wiv em

**Fishfirst** · 10-26-2005, 12:01 PM

well actually they do much better in a school... yeah they don't NEED a school but they should be as we all are trying to be responsible fish keepers here. And proper sized tanks is a huge issue here at Fishforums... read this post and you will get a vibe for how everone feels here. http://www.fishforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2483
also fish don't "grow" to the size of the tank they are in... they get stunted by the other fishes growth inhibitor hormones and it shortens there lifespan... it is by no means humaine, as the fishes insides grow and their outsides dont.

Dez · 10-26-2005, 03:09 PM

i did not com on here to start a debate and i am not going to get involved in 1 either i was just putting my point across. end of story. now if you read the thread i was asking for some examples of fish for my 30g if you have any please feel free to tell them me. if you dont then fair enough.

amelia · 10-26-2005, 03:18 PM

Dez--If I am right, Koi are one of the only fish that "grow to their surroundings." As I have learned from other members here, they emit a hormone. The hormone tells the fish's body to stop growing once the water has enough in it. As far as I know, though, Koi are the only fish that really stop growing when there's not enough room.

**Fishfirst** · 10-26-2005, 10:16 PM

dez - in my mind, there is no debate... I and a lot of people here have been doing this longer than you've been alive... I've seen the affects of fish being kept in too small of tanks, so don't take this as a debate because there isn't one... just mearly correcting you. Also we are giving you "examples" of fish for your 30 gallon tank... more of some of the fish and less of others that you currently have.

shev · 10-26-2005, 10:25 PM

Koi (and im guessing all fish then) also put out an immune suppressing hormone.

My opinion, scrap the clown loach. halve the number of different kinds of schooling fish and triple the population of each species.

Dez · 10-27-2005, 03:54 AM

fair enough. i suppose if i did that tho my tank wud be overstocked good and proper so i guess thats out the picture

MyraVan · 10-27-2005, 05:51 AM

No, I don't think you would be overstocked if you did what shev said. One example stocking that's in line with what shev suggets is:

1 red fin columbian
1 albino rainbo shark
6 rasbora maculatas
6 cuming's barbs

That's definitely not overstocking.

Dez · 10-27-2005, 06:03 AM

ah so u mean get rid of the clown loach and get:
1 red fin columbian
1 albino rainbow shark
6 rasboras maculatas
6 cuming barbs
?

MyraVan · 10-27-2005, 06:19 AM

Nah, in addition to getting rid of the clown loach, we're suggesting that you also get rid of half of your schooling fish species. At the moment you have 4, 5, or 6 different species, depending on whether your unknown fish are schooling fish, and if they are the same kind of schooling fish. So we're suggesting that at the end, you should have 2 or 3 different kinds of schooling fish, and have at least 6 of each of them. So the stocking list I proposed wasn't what you would *add*, but what you would end up with. But that was just a suggestion, only you can decide which of the schooling fish you like best...

Dez · 10-27-2005, 07:26 AM

ah i catch your drift. cheers m8

10-26-2005, 05:14 AM	#1
Dez aquatic biologist Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: uk, england Age: 17 Posts: 34	new fish for my 30g im thinking of getting some more fish for my 30g community tank but i cnt make my mind up what to get. has any1 got any suggestions? __________________ 30 gal: 2 kribs (M,F), 2 pearl gouramis (M,F), 2 golden barbs, 2 rasbora maculatas, 1 rainbow shark, 1 plec, 1 clown loach 80 gal: 2 tiger oscars, 1 golden tinfoil barb, 1 plec 10 gal: breeding tank in progress

10-26-2005, 07:24 AM	#4
Dez aquatic biologist Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: uk, england Age: 17 Posts: 34	i was thinking of sommert thats not extreamly common if you now what a mean __________________ 30 gal: 2 kribs (M,F), 2 pearl gouramis (M,F), 2 golden barbs, 2 rasbora maculatas, 1 rainbow shark, 1 plec, 1 clown loach 80 gal: 2 tiger oscars, 1 golden tinfoil barb, 1 plec 10 gal: breeding tank in progress

10-26-2005, 09:46 AM	#7
Dez aquatic biologist Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: uk, england Age: 17 Posts: 34	iv got: 1 clown loach 1 red fin columbian 1 albino rainbo shark 2 rasbora maculatas 2 harlequins 1 cuming barbs 1 tetra and 2 other fish which i have forgotten what they are. These are al in my 30g tank __________________ 30 gal: 2 kribs (M,F), 2 pearl gouramis (M,F), 2 golden barbs, 2 rasbora maculatas, 1 rainbow shark, 1 plec, 1 clown loach 80 gal: 2 tiger oscars, 1 golden tinfoil barb, 1 plec 10 gal: breeding tank in progress

10-26-2005, 10:54 AM	#8
osteoporoosi Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 633	Well firstly there is plenty of fish in your tank that don't fit there. You also have schooling fish without schools. The clown loach will grow too large for a 30 gallon, and they are also schooling fish. 150 gallons/school would be enough. tetras, barbs and both rasbora species are shoalers also, 6 or more is the minimum schoolsize. the rainbow shark also grows rather large(and sometimes aggressive) for your tank. What are your routines, how often do you change the water, etc.? __________________ http://photobucket.com/albums/v640/osteoporoosi/

10-26-2005, 11:11 AM	#9
Dez aquatic biologist Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: uk, england Age: 17 Posts: 34	i change the water weekly. but i have had all them fish now for over a year and half of them fish have been there since i first started keeping fish. shoaling fish dont have to be seem in shoals thats just when there seen at there best. also if i may add my clown loach is currently at 3.5" and has not grown much because they grow to the size of there enviroment. __________________ 30 gal: 2 kribs (M,F), 2 pearl gouramis (M,F), 2 golden barbs, 2 rasbora maculatas, 1 rainbow shark, 1 plec, 1 clown loach 80 gal: 2 tiger oscars, 1 golden tinfoil barb, 1 plec 10 gal: breeding tank in progress Last edited by Dez; 10-26-2005 at 11:29 AM.

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10-26-2005, 05:21 AM	#2
Jonno Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Devon, UK Age: 20 Posts: 512	you could go for community fish, like tetras and for bottom feeders get a nice lot of cory's

10-26-2005, 07:24 AM	#3
TheOldSalt Darth Ichthyos Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,358	I suppose it depends on what you already have

10-26-2005, 07:32 AM	#5
MyraVan Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cambridge, UK Posts: 864	Loaches aren't all that common, not as common as tetras and cories anyway. You appreciate loaches, I can tell by your avatar (clowns). How about some other loaches, like kuhli?

10-26-2005, 07:41 AM	#6
Lydia Ichthus Owner Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: FL Posts: 1,907	What do you have in the tank?

10-26-2005, 11:52 AM	#10
Dez aquatic biologist Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: uk, england Age: 17 Posts: 34	by the way am not contredicting you am just sayin thats my experiance wiv em __________________ 30 gal: 2 kribs (M,F), 2 pearl gouramis (M,F), 2 golden barbs, 2 rasbora maculatas, 1 rainbow shark, 1 plec, 1 clown loach 80 gal: 2 tiger oscars, 1 golden tinfoil barb, 1 plec 10 gal: breeding tank in progress

10-26-2005, 12:01 PM	#11
Fishfirst Fish Guru Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Northern Wisconsin Age: 24 Posts: 3,541	well actually they do much better in a school... yeah they don't NEED a school but they should be as we all are trying to be responsible fish keepers here. And proper sized tanks is a huge issue here at Fishforums... read this post and you will get a vibe for how everone feels here. http://www.fishforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2483 also fish don't "grow" to the size of the tank they are in... they get stunted by the other fishes growth inhibitor hormones and it shortens there lifespan... it is by no means humaine, as the fishes insides grow and their outsides dont. __________________ 210 Gal Reef w/ 55 Gallon Sump/Fuge, 125 Gal Fish Only, 65 Gal Seahorse-29 Gallon Sump, 55 Gal FOWLR, 54 Gal Corner FW Community, 20 Gal Nano FOWLR, 55 Gal Piranha, 29 gallon QT "All the yellow tangs and clownfish in the world can't save you now! hahahah" Peter from Family Guy

10-26-2005, 03:09 PM	#12
Dez aquatic biologist Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: uk, england Age: 17 Posts: 34	i did not com on here to start a debate and i am not going to get involved in 1 either i was just putting my point across. end of story. now if you read the thread i was asking for some examples of fish for my 30g if you have any please feel free to tell them me. if you dont then fair enough. __________________ 30 gal: 2 kribs (M,F), 2 pearl gouramis (M,F), 2 golden barbs, 2 rasbora maculatas, 1 rainbow shark, 1 plec, 1 clown loach 80 gal: 2 tiger oscars, 1 golden tinfoil barb, 1 plec 10 gal: breeding tank in progress

10-26-2005, 03:18 PM	#13
amelia the ami Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: missouri Age: 19 Posts: 270	Dez--If I am right, Koi are one of the only fish that "grow to their surroundings." As I have learned from other members here, they emit a hormone. The hormone tells the fish's body to stop growing once the water has enough in it. As far as I know, though, Koi are the only fish that really stop growing when there's not enough room. __________________ Forever we are. Forever we've been. Forever we'll be crucified to a dream --unstoppablegeneration-- They write [s]about[/s] this sort of thing. GOLDFISH & KOI - 2 red/white ryukin - 5 comet - 12 common - 2 shubunkin - 4 koi CATFISH - 2 common plecostomus - 1 rubber nose plecostomus - 3 albino cory catfish OTHER - 78 guppies - 2 bluegill

10-26-2005, 10:16 PM	#14
Fishfirst Fish Guru Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Northern Wisconsin Age: 24 Posts: 3,541	dez - in my mind, there is no debate... I and a lot of people here have been doing this longer than you've been alive... I've seen the affects of fish being kept in too small of tanks, so don't take this as a debate because there isn't one... just mearly correcting you. Also we are giving you "examples" of fish for your 30 gallon tank... more of some of the fish and less of others that you currently have. __________________ 210 Gal Reef w/ 55 Gallon Sump/Fuge, 125 Gal Fish Only, 65 Gal Seahorse-29 Gallon Sump, 55 Gal FOWLR, 54 Gal Corner FW Community, 20 Gal Nano FOWLR, 55 Gal Piranha, 29 gallon QT "All the yellow tangs and clownfish in the world can't save you now! hahahah" Peter from Family Guy

10-26-2005, 10:25 PM	#15
shev Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Montana Age: 19 Posts: 1,561	Koi (and im guessing all fish then) also put out an immune suppressing hormone. My opinion, scrap the clown loach. halve the number of different kinds of schooling fish and triple the population of each species.

10-27-2005, 03:54 AM	#16
Dez aquatic biologist Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: uk, england Age: 17 Posts: 34	fair enough. i suppose if i did that tho my tank wud be overstocked good and proper so i guess thats out the picture __________________ 30 gal: 2 kribs (M,F), 2 pearl gouramis (M,F), 2 golden barbs, 2 rasbora maculatas, 1 rainbow shark, 1 plec, 1 clown loach 80 gal: 2 tiger oscars, 1 golden tinfoil barb, 1 plec 10 gal: breeding tank in progress

10-27-2005, 05:51 AM	#17
MyraVan Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cambridge, UK Posts: 864	No, I don't think you would be overstocked if you did what shev said. One example stocking that's in line with what shev suggets is: 1 red fin columbian 1 albino rainbo shark 6 rasbora maculatas 6 cuming's barbs That's definitely not overstocking.

10-27-2005, 06:03 AM	#18
Dez aquatic biologist Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: uk, england Age: 17 Posts: 34	ah so u mean get rid of the clown loach and get: 1 red fin columbian 1 albino rainbow shark 6 rasboras maculatas 6 cuming barbs ? __________________ 30 gal: 2 kribs (M,F), 2 pearl gouramis (M,F), 2 golden barbs, 2 rasbora maculatas, 1 rainbow shark, 1 plec, 1 clown loach 80 gal: 2 tiger oscars, 1 golden tinfoil barb, 1 plec 10 gal: breeding tank in progress

10-27-2005, 06:19 AM	#19
MyraVan Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cambridge, UK Posts: 864	Nah, in addition to getting rid of the clown loach, we're suggesting that you also get rid of half of your schooling fish species. At the moment you have 4, 5, or 6 different species, depending on whether your unknown fish are schooling fish, and if they are the same kind of schooling fish. So we're suggesting that at the end, you should have 2 or 3 different kinds of schooling fish, and have at least 6 of each of them. So the stocking list I proposed wasn't what you would add, but what you would end up with. But that was just a suggestion, only you can decide which of the schooling fish you like best...

10-27-2005, 07:26 AM	#20
Dez aquatic biologist Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: uk, england Age: 17 Posts: 34	ah i catch your drift. cheers m8 __________________ 30 gal: 2 kribs (M,F), 2 pearl gouramis (M,F), 2 golden barbs, 2 rasbora maculatas, 1 rainbow shark, 1 plec, 1 clown loach 80 gal: 2 tiger oscars, 1 golden tinfoil barb, 1 plec 10 gal: breeding tank in progress

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