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01-11-2006, 06:05 AM
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NO, but then again neither can their saltwater equivalents. 
For example, those jaguar cichlids and panther groupers will predate on anything that can fit into their mouths. And the zebra cichlid will grow too big for other fish to cope with.
Also, things like rams can't be kept with corals as they are soft water fish, and corals will raise the pH to around 7.5-8.5.
The clownloach, ram and angel fish can be kept together as they are all softwater fish. Quite a natural looking marine tank made from river sand and synthetic corals, anemones. As long as there is enough cover in terms of caves etc, the fish will be quite at home.
If using real dead corals, then ideal fish would me a mixture of malawis and tanganikans, but remember when mixing africans together and least one hiding space per fish should be added, and if you are housing larger cichlids with smaller ones, it's always a good idea to have many hiding places where the small ones can fit into but not the larger ones, this means that they can have their own breeding territory without being evicted by their larger cousins.
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If you have a big enough tank with enough hiding places, pH of around 7, you can keep virtually any fish together as long as all the fish are around the same size and these two groups of fish are avioded:
Serrasalmus
Tetradon(figure eights and dwarfs are the
exception).
I keep a successful community of fish in a 4 foot tank including the following families:
Cichlids, tetras, loaches, gouramis, barbs, rainbows, livebearers, killiefish, catfish, puffers.
Last edited by Cichlid Man; 01-11-2006 at 06:13 AM.
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01-13-2006, 10:07 AM
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Awsome! A custom title!
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Originally Posted by Cichlid Man
If using real dead corals, then ideal fish would me a mixture of malawis and tanganikans, but remember when mixing africans together and least one hiding space per fish should be added, and if you are housing larger cichlids with smaller ones, it's always a good idea to have many hiding places where the small ones can fit into but not the larger ones, this means that they can have their own breeding territory without being evicted by their larger cousins. |
Does this mean I could house yellow labs with shell dwellers if the tank were properly arranged?
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01-13-2006, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by pyrofish
Does this mean I could house yellow labs with shell dwellers if the tank were properly arranged?
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You can't, becaue you're going to collage remember?
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If you have a big enough tank with enough hiding places, pH of around 7, you can keep virtually any fish together as long as all the fish are around the same size and these two groups of fish are avioded:
Serrasalmus
Tetradon(figure eights and dwarfs are the
exception).
I keep a successful community of fish in a 4 foot tank including the following families:
Cichlids, tetras, loaches, gouramis, barbs, rainbows, livebearers, killiefish, catfish, puffers.
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01-13-2006, 12:01 PM
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Awsome! A custom title!
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I was thinking theoretically.
That is a very good point though...I don't wan't to get myself into more fish related trouble than necessary!
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01-13-2006, 02:51 PM
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Ha, ha, ha. CM........
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01-29-2006, 10:19 AM
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now i dont feel that my tank set up is so cheesy!
i have always admired and appreciated the beauty of a saltwater aquarium,
but i do not have the time, knowledge nor the extra money to invest in one
So, i decided to ..fake it. i have a 20gal with all of the pretty little plastic coral and anemones i could put in and sand for the substrate.
living in my faux saltwater aquarium are:
3 dwarf gouramis
2 sword tails
5 neon tetras
2 angle fish
1 columbian leopard pleco
1 snail
3 ghost shrimp(for now)
unfortunatly one of my angel fish is not going to live long, his dorsel fin is gone and he stays in one corner and barely eats!! 
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02-05-2006, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by teddy
now i dont feel that my tank set up is so cheesy!
i have always admired and appreciated the beauty of a saltwater aquarium,
but i do not have the time, knowledge nor the extra money to invest in one
So, i decided to ..fake it. i have a 20gal with all of the pretty little plastic coral and anemones i could put in and sand for the substrate.
living in my faux saltwater aquarium are:
3 dwarf gouramis
2 sword tails
5 neon tetras
2 angle fish
1 columbian leopard pleco
1 snail
3 ghost shrimp(for now)
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Sounds good. I bet that looks really "Marine like"
Talking of marine like, don't you think the mouth of this freshwater neet looks similar to a triggers mouth? just noticed that:
Neetroplus nematopus
niger trigger
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If you have a big enough tank with enough hiding places, pH of around 7, you can keep virtually any fish together as long as all the fish are around the same size and these two groups of fish are avioded:
Serrasalmus
Tetradon(figure eights and dwarfs are the
exception).
I keep a successful community of fish in a 4 foot tank including the following families:
Cichlids, tetras, loaches, gouramis, barbs, rainbows, livebearers, killiefish, catfish, puffers.
Last edited by Cichlid Man; 11-21-2006 at 04:39 AM.
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12-28-2006, 03:05 PM
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And just to prove that it can be done, here's my tank:
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If you have a big enough tank with enough hiding places, pH of around 7, you can keep virtually any fish together as long as all the fish are around the same size and these two groups of fish are avioded:
Serrasalmus
Tetradon(figure eights and dwarfs are the
exception).
I keep a successful community of fish in a 4 foot tank including the following families:
Cichlids, tetras, loaches, gouramis, barbs, rainbows, livebearers, killiefish, catfish, puffers.
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03-14-2007, 07:17 AM
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Just saw this thread. It is really a very interesting comparison  Good thinking. In a way, this set up can certainly mimic a SW tank... but there are still a lot of other sea creatures such as seahorse, craps and colourful shrimps out there 
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03-14-2007, 07:48 PM
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LOL colorful craps.....
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03-20-2007, 04:25 PM
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could you put one angel in a 16? I was thinking two rams, an angel and some colorful tetras cause i can't really find anything else that looks "saltwaterish".
I forgot, what would a good goby/eel substatute for the same size tank? i was thinking something like a kuli loach cause the eels at my lfs are really cool and all but they are brackish and will out grow my tank. I can always ditch the tetras if need be.
Last edited by fishbguy; 03-20-2007 at 04:41 PM.
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03-27-2007, 03:33 PM
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this is a sticky for what reason???
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07-12-2007, 03:23 PM
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LMAO I love how you tried to sell us over and over. lol
"So you want to spend your weeks wages on a school of these lyretail anthias?
Then you're an idiot. Just chuck a few of these in your tank."
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07-12-2007, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by swordtailbreedr
this is a sticky for what reason???
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Because we love annoying you LOL
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07-12-2007, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by swordtailbreedr
this is a sticky for what reason???
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1) Because we can.............
2) Helpful to new fishkeepers
3) Can help save the lives of many misunderstood saltwater inhabitants.
4) Informative
5) Because we can............ )
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