dead fish

elvis332 · 07-13-2008, 08:47 PM

one of my female swordtale was at the bottom of the tank then when i came from my livinging room it was dead and i just bought it 2 days ago why did it dy???

trashion · 07-13-2008, 09:29 PM

Did you cycle this new tank before putting your fish in it?

wifishman · 07-13-2008, 10:30 PM

way off topic but i missed ya elvis!

tiffsplaties88 · 07-13-2008, 11:36 PM

possibly the stress from the move of buying her or is it possible that she was pregnant, had babies, and died during birth?

emc7 · 07-14-2008, 01:38 AM

Its pretty common for new fish to die within the first week. There are a lot possible reasons.

Injury or stress from transport. The fish was hurt by a net, breathed its own waste too long in the bag (on the way to or from the store), or was just "scared to death"

Disease. Fish are exposed to diseases from all over in the pet store tank and when you put them in your tank, they get exposed to any disease your fish carry but are immune to.

Ammonia/mini-cycle. New fish always add to the "bioload" of the tank and takes a few days for the filter to catch up. Esp. if you dump the water from the bag in your tank. Ammonia can spike (suddenly rise) and kill your fish. The new fish is vulnerable because it is already stressed, but the old fish can die from this too.

Aggression. Your old fish defend their tank by attacking the newcomer.

In any event, whenever you have a fish die in your tank, do a water change to deal with the ammonia and wait 3 or 4 weeks before getting any new fish. If your fish have been exposed to a new disease, you want to give them time to show symptoms.

elvis332 · 07-14-2008, 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trashion

Did you cycle this new tank before putting your fish in it?

what do you mean

elvis332 · 07-14-2008, 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tiffsplaties88

possibly the stress from the move of buying her or is it possible that she was pregnant, had babies, and died during birth?

i dont see any babys

elvis332 · 07-14-2008, 07:42 AM

you said :Aggression. Your old fish defend their tank by attacking the newcomer.

i cheaked this chart and it said those fish are community and are not aggresive fish.

emc7 · 07-14-2008, 08:23 AM

Its just a possibility. Even "community fish" can be mean in a small tank. Did you see any fish picking on the newcomer?

trashion · 07-14-2008, 08:25 AM

Cycling is when the good bacteria develop and consume your fish's waste, keeping the tank from being polluted. There's a good website here:
http://faq.thekrib.com/begin-cycling.html

You could have taken the filter pad out of your old tank and put it in your new one, this would have helped. Unfortunately, if you didn't, your ammonia levels will rise and it's likely you will lose more fish. Do youhave a test kit? You should get one and use it.

tiffsplaties88 · 07-14-2008, 09:27 AM

if she did happen to be pregnant its highly possible that her tank mates gobbled up her babies b/c there is not sufficient hiding space for them in ur tank from the pictures seen

elvis332 · 07-14-2008, 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emc7

Its just a possibility. Even "community fish" can be mean in a small tank. Did you see any fish picking on the newcomer?

yes i did!!!

elvis332 · 07-14-2008, 09:37 AM

but i dont think she was pregnat because she wasnt that fat she was like a little bit

sneasle · 07-14-2008, 12:06 PM

It's probably a mix off all of t he above listed.

He just got this tank last week IIRC. Chances are the ammonia levels are close to their highest point right now, so I am not surprised he lost something.

New fish die off often, that is why many in the hobby keep QT tanks that are well established so ensure that a mini cycle doesn't kill them off.

I suggest you check your water. If it checks out fine, most fish stores will let you bring the fish back.

Keep a close eye on your water parameters for the next few weeks. If you do not keep a close eye on the parameters you are likely to loose more fish.

It is also recommended to more the filter pad from the old tank to the new tank, assuming you haven't thrown it out and it is still wet. I would still throw it in even if it dried out.

DO NOT add any more fish until after your tank has finished cycling.

elvis332 · 07-14-2008, 12:48 PM

how long does it take for a tank to cycl

Blue Cray · 07-14-2008, 01:02 PM

About 3 weeks to a month or more.

sneasle · 07-14-2008, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blue Cray

About 3 weeks to a month or more.

yup. It will vary based on the specifics of your setup.

Blue Cray · 07-14-2008, 02:48 PM

I've actually heard of it lasting over 4 months in certain area of canada and the USA maybe the differences in water hardness or ph?

elvis332 · 07-14-2008, 04:28 PM

ooooo okokokok

elvis332 · 07-14-2008, 04:29 PM

can it go faster

07-13-2008, 08:47 PM	#1
elvis332 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Age: 17 Posts: 102 User Feedback: (0)	dead fish one of my female swordtale was at the bottom of the tank then when i came from my livinging room it was dead and i just bought it 2 days ago why did it dy??? __________________ 29 gallon 2 dwarf gourmis(1 inch) 2 rasboras(1 inch) 2 adult giant danios(2 inch) 3 baby giant danio(1 inch) 1 chinese algie eater(1 inch) 1 pinapple swordtale((1 inch) 2 assorted mollies (1 inch) Last edited by elvis332; 07-13-2008 at 08:51 PM.

07-13-2008, 09:29 PM	#2
trashion girl anachronism Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 932 User Feedback: (0)	Did you cycle this new tank before putting your fish in it? __________________ current setup: 15 gallon, planted w/ pressurized co2, 55watts PC lighting, EI fert dosing. -5 harlequin rasboras -7 Aspidoras pauciradiatus (sixray or false corydoras) for reference: my name is Julie

07-14-2008, 07:42 AM	#8
elvis332 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Age: 17 Posts: 102 User Feedback: (0)	you said :Aggression. Your old fish defend their tank by attacking the newcomer. i cheaked this chart and it said those fish are community and are not aggresive fish. __________________ 29 gallon 2 dwarf gourmis(1 inch) 2 rasboras(1 inch) 2 adult giant danios(2 inch) 3 baby giant danio(1 inch) 1 chinese algie eater(1 inch) 1 pinapple swordtale((1 inch) 2 assorted mollies (1 inch)

07-14-2008, 08:25 AM	#10
trashion girl anachronism Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 932 User Feedback: (0)	Cycling is when the good bacteria develop and consume your fish's waste, keeping the tank from being polluted. There's a good website here: http://faq.thekrib.com/begin-cycling.html You could have taken the filter pad out of your old tank and put it in your new one, this would have helped. Unfortunately, if you didn't, your ammonia levels will rise and it's likely you will lose more fish. Do youhave a test kit? You should get one and use it. __________________ current setup: 15 gallon, planted w/ pressurized co2, 55watts PC lighting, EI fert dosing. -5 harlequin rasboras -7 Aspidoras pauciradiatus (sixray or false corydoras) for reference: my name is Julie

07-14-2008, 09:37 AM	#13
elvis332 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Age: 17 Posts: 102 User Feedback: (0)	but i dont think she was pregnat because she wasnt that fat she was like a little bit __________________ 29 gallon 2 dwarf gourmis(1 inch) 2 rasboras(1 inch) 2 adult giant danios(2 inch) 3 baby giant danio(1 inch) 1 chinese algie eater(1 inch) 1 pinapple swordtale((1 inch) 2 assorted mollies (1 inch)

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07-13-2008, 10:30 PM	#3
wifishman Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 29 Posts: 41 User Feedback: (0)	way off topic but i missed ya elvis!

07-13-2008, 11:36 PM	#4
tiffsplaties88 Fishy Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 19 Posts: 15 User Feedback: (0)	possibly the stress from the move of buying her or is it possible that she was pregnant, had babies, and died during birth?

07-14-2008, 01:38 AM	#5
emc7 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Age: 39 Posts: 2,641 User Feedback: (0)	Its pretty common for new fish to die within the first week. There are a lot possible reasons. Injury or stress from transport. The fish was hurt by a net, breathed its own waste too long in the bag (on the way to or from the store), or was just "scared to death" Disease. Fish are exposed to diseases from all over in the pet store tank and when you put them in your tank, they get exposed to any disease your fish carry but are immune to. Ammonia/mini-cycle. New fish always add to the "bioload" of the tank and takes a few days for the filter to catch up. Esp. if you dump the water from the bag in your tank. Ammonia can spike (suddenly rise) and kill your fish. The new fish is vulnerable because it is already stressed, but the old fish can die from this too. Aggression. Your old fish defend their tank by attacking the newcomer. In any event, whenever you have a fish die in your tank, do a water change to deal with the ammonia and wait 3 or 4 weeks before getting any new fish. If your fish have been exposed to a new disease, you want to give them time to show symptoms.

07-14-2008, 08:23 AM	#9
emc7 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Age: 39 Posts: 2,641 User Feedback: (0)	Its just a possibility. Even "community fish" can be mean in a small tank. Did you see any fish picking on the newcomer?

07-14-2008, 09:27 AM	#11
tiffsplaties88 Fishy Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 19 Posts: 15 User Feedback: (0)	if she did happen to be pregnant its highly possible that her tank mates gobbled up her babies b/c there is not sufficient hiding space for them in ur tank from the pictures seen

07-14-2008, 12:06 PM	#14
sneasle Airplane Nut Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Auburn, AL Age: 21 Posts: 119 User Feedback: (0)	It's probably a mix off all of t he above listed. He just got this tank last week IIRC. Chances are the ammonia levels are close to their highest point right now, so I am not surprised he lost something. New fish die off often, that is why many in the hobby keep QT tanks that are well established so ensure that a mini cycle doesn't kill them off. I suggest you check your water. If it checks out fine, most fish stores will let you bring the fish back. Keep a close eye on your water parameters for the next few weeks. If you do not keep a close eye on the parameters you are likely to loose more fish. It is also recommended to more the filter pad from the old tank to the new tank, assuming you haven't thrown it out and it is still wet. I would still throw it in even if it dried out. *DO NOT* add any more fish until after your tank has finished cycling.

07-14-2008, 12:48 PM	#15
elvis332 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Age: 17 Posts: 102 User Feedback: (0)	how long does it take for a tank to cycl __________________ 29 gallon 2 dwarf gourmis(1 inch) 2 rasboras(1 inch) 2 adult giant danios(2 inch) 3 baby giant danio(1 inch) 1 chinese algie eater(1 inch) 1 pinapple swordtale((1 inch) 2 assorted mollies (1 inch)

07-14-2008, 01:02 PM	#16
Blue Cray Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Age: 17 Posts: 298 User Feedback: (0)	About 3 weeks to a month or more. __________________ 55g Planted -clown loach -golden zebra danios -glo lite tetras -male krib -striped raphael catfish -angels -bronze cories -gold gourami -SAE -brochis catfish -knight goby -Boeseman's Rainbowfish -Flying Foxes 22g Planted -endlers -zebra loach

07-14-2008, 02:48 PM	#18
Blue Cray Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Age: 17 Posts: 298 User Feedback: (0)	I've actually heard of it lasting over 4 months in certain area of canada and the USA maybe the differences in water hardness or ph? __________________ 55g Planted -clown loach -golden zebra danios -glo lite tetras -male krib -striped raphael catfish -angels -bronze cories -gold gourami -SAE -brochis catfish -knight goby -Boeseman's Rainbowfish -Flying Foxes 22g Planted -endlers -zebra loach

07-14-2008, 04:28 PM	#19
elvis332 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Age: 17 Posts: 102 User Feedback: (0)	ooooo okokokok __________________ 29 gallon 2 dwarf gourmis(1 inch) 2 rasboras(1 inch) 2 adult giant danios(2 inch) 3 baby giant danio(1 inch) 1 chinese algie eater(1 inch) 1 pinapple swordtale((1 inch) 2 assorted mollies (1 inch)

07-14-2008, 04:29 PM	#20
elvis332 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Age: 17 Posts: 102 User Feedback: (0)	can it go faster __________________ 29 gallon 2 dwarf gourmis(1 inch) 2 rasboras(1 inch) 2 adult giant danios(2 inch) 3 baby giant danio(1 inch) 1 chinese algie eater(1 inch) 1 pinapple swordtale((1 inch) 2 assorted mollies (1 inch)

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