black clownfish

fishbguy · 03-29-2007, 02:14 PM

I went to my lfs last weekend and as always, i look at their SW section. They had two black percula clowns. all the orange was gone and replaced with black. I'm not sure how much they cost cause some guy named Jason had already bought them and they were on hold for him. I have never heard of these before and was wondering if they were a relativily new in the fish trade. Also, are they a new color variety or is it a whole new spieces of fish? I'll try to get a few photos from the net.
thanks,
Andrew

fishbguy · 03-29-2007, 02:18 PM

http://www.saltwaterfish.com/site_11...ot_parent_id=4

there ya go. except the ones i saw were PURE black with the white stripes. curtasey of liveaquaria.com

CollegeReefer · 03-29-2007, 02:35 PM

They have been around a while, but a lot of lfs stick with fish that are more commone. Give the customers what they want, an nemo. I for one love the black clown fish. They are really sharp, but about double the price. I think they go for about 30 at our local petco.

**Damon** · 03-29-2007, 03:19 PM

They are NOT perculas (despite what the lfs may say). At best they are Ocellaris and depending on the size polyneus.

CollegeReefer · 03-29-2007, 03:25 PM

I think they are often called black and white perculas but there real name are Amphiprion ocellaris as the link states

leveldrummer · 03-29-2007, 09:52 PM

the blacks are super cool, but even better are the snowflakes. these are all basically comming along with comercial breeding, kinda like the albino trait, it wouldnt last in the wild, but with selective breeding, people can bring out the strange traits and make them more dominant.

here is a pic of the snowflake.

ivanpres · 03-30-2007, 12:24 PM

I have one black clownfish, it cost me $23. He is very cool, basically they are the same as the orange, except of course for the color.

**TheOldSalt** · 04-02-2007, 07:05 AM

You should know that many black clowns are fakes.

Ordinary clowns will turn black if you keep them 24/7 under very bright lights. It's their version of a suntan. Once returned to normal tank conditions, they turn orange again, or sometimes yellow with an insufficient diet. This is an old trick still too-commonly used worldwide, so watch out!

fishbguy · 04-02-2007, 12:49 PM

so is it possible for a clown to turn black and not lose it's colors when it is put back under normal lighting?

**Damon** · 04-02-2007, 03:02 PM

Some species are black. Rumor has it there is a strain of black percs but normally if they are truly black, they are saddlebacks. I had 2. Even the black ocellaris have orange on them. With anything, breeding the desired traits long enough will yield the results you want but I dont think we are that far yet with clowns. Not in the mainstream anyway.

leveldrummer · 04-02-2007, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damon

Some species are black. Rumor has it there is a strain of black percs but normally if they are truly black, they are saddlebacks. I had 2. Even the black ocellaris have orange on them. With anything, breeding the desired traits long enough will yield the results you want but I dont think we are that far yet with clowns. Not in the mainstream anyway.

there are solid black percs, (or occelaris, hard to tell) some do have a orange tip, but the saddle backs look different, you can see it a mile away, it doenst look anything like the others.

**Damon** · 04-02-2007, 04:51 PM

I agree. And even the solid black ocellaris are solid. They still have some orange (usually around the mouth). Yes there is a huge difference between saddlebacks and ocellaris (size being the easiest identifier). Just letting the poster know you can get your "black" clowns that arent necessarily false percs.

leveldrummer · 04-02-2007, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damon

I agree. And even the solid black ocellaris are solid. They still have some orange (usually around the mouth). Yes there is a huge difference between saddlebacks and ocellaris (size being the easiest identifier). Just letting the poster know you can get your "black" clowns that arent necessarily false percs.

i got ya! i thought you were saying that they are mistakable in a store, i guess they kinda are to someone who doesnt know, but saddle backs just look different in everyway to me, shape, the face, they just look weird. and especially the stripes. lol

Ice · 04-03-2007, 07:46 AM

I have seen Onyx Clownfish as well. So how are they bred ? I've always thought b&w clowns, Onyx clowns etc ... are all hybrids.

**TheOldSalt** · 04-03-2007, 11:28 AM

There are two black clown species besides polymnus, by the way.
One is latezonatus, and other is mccullochi. You won't be mistaking either one of these for anything else, either, so distinctive are their appearances.

**Damon** · 04-03-2007, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOldSalt

There are two black clown species besides polymnus, by the way.
One is latezonatus, and other is mccullochi. You won't be mistaking either one of these for anything else, either, so distinctive are their appearances.

True, but not common even online let alone a lfs.

Courtney · 04-11-2007, 02:14 AM

http://www.marinecenter.com/fish/clo...whiteaustrali/
Thats the one i want actually i want two....

went to petco yesterday and got two black clownfish for $40 each..

03-29-2007, 02:14 PM	#1
fishbguy I'm watching you Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: michigan Age: 17 Posts: 1,865	black clownfish I went to my lfs last weekend and as always, i look at their SW section. They had two black percula clowns. all the orange was gone and replaced with black. I'm not sure how much they cost cause some guy named Jason had already bought them and they were on hold for him. I have never heard of these before and was wondering if they were a relativily new in the fish trade. Also, are they a new color variety or is it a whole new spieces of fish? I'll try to get a few photos from the net. thanks, Andrew __________________ I think about you in the summertime And all the good times we had, baby It’s been a few years and I can’t deny The thought of you still makes me crazy I think about you in the summertime Summertime - New Kids On The Block

03-29-2007, 02:18 PM	#2
fishbguy I'm watching you Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: michigan Age: 17 Posts: 1,865	http://www.saltwaterfish.com/site_11...ot_parent_id=4 there ya go. except the ones i saw were PURE black with the white stripes. curtasey of liveaquaria.com __________________ I think about you in the summertime And all the good times we had, baby It’s been a few years and I can’t deny The thought of you still makes me crazy I think about you in the summertime Summertime - New Kids On The Block

03-29-2007, 02:35 PM	#3
CollegeReefer Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Stevens Pont, Wisconsin Age: 22 Posts: 386	They have been around a while, but a lot of lfs stick with fish that are more commone. Give the customers what they want, an nemo. I for one love the black clown fish. They are really sharp, but about double the price. I think they go for about 30 at our local petco. __________________ CollegeReefer

03-29-2007, 03:19 PM	#4
Damon Aquatic Naturalist Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dayton, Ohio Age: 32 Posts: 14,982	They are NOT perculas (despite what the lfs may say). At best they are Ocellaris and depending on the size polyneus. __________________ For in much wisdom [is] much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow. Member of the AGA (Aquatic Gardner's Association) Member of the IBC (International Betta Congress)

03-29-2007, 03:25 PM	#5
CollegeReefer Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Stevens Pont, Wisconsin Age: 22 Posts: 386	I think they are often called black and white perculas but there real name are Amphiprion ocellaris as the link states __________________ CollegeReefer

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03-29-2007, 09:52 PM	#6
leveldrummer something like a pimp Join Date: May 2005 Location: atlanta Age: 29 Posts: 1,933	the blacks are super cool, but even better are the snowflakes. these are all basically comming along with comercial breeding, kinda like the albino trait, it wouldnt last in the wild, but with selective breeding, people can bring out the strange traits and make them more dominant. here is a pic of the snowflake. __________________ The meek shall inherit the Earth. Big deal. By the time they get it the rest of us will have messed it all up.

03-30-2007, 12:24 PM	#7
ivanpres The Angelfish Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Naguabo, Puerto Rico Age: 25 Posts: 19	I have one black clownfish, it cost me $23. He is very cool, basically they are the same as the orange, except of course for the color. __________________ 80 gallon saltwater tank, 100 lbs. of live rock, live sand. Filter Rena Filstar xp3, chiller Resun CL-650, protein skimmer Marineland SeaClone SCPS 150, pomp and power heads Marineland Maxi-Jet, 9watt UV Sterilizer Coralife Turbo-Twist 3x, Coralife 48 inch. Deluxe Lunar Series Fixture.

04-02-2007, 07:05 AM	#8
TheOldSalt Darth Ichthyos Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,252	You should know that many black clowns are fakes. Ordinary clowns will turn black if you keep them 24/7 under very bright lights. It's their version of a suntan. Once returned to normal tank conditions, they turn orange again, or sometimes yellow with an insufficient diet. This is an old trick still too-commonly used worldwide, so watch out!

04-02-2007, 12:49 PM	#9
fishbguy I'm watching you Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: michigan Age: 17 Posts: 1,865	so is it possible for a clown to turn black and not lose it's colors when it is put back under normal lighting? __________________ I think about you in the summertime And all the good times we had, baby It’s been a few years and I can’t deny The thought of you still makes me crazy I think about you in the summertime Summertime - New Kids On The Block

04-02-2007, 03:02 PM	#10
Damon Aquatic Naturalist Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dayton, Ohio Age: 32 Posts: 14,982	Some species are black. Rumor has it there is a strain of black percs but normally if they are truly black, they are saddlebacks. I had 2. Even the black ocellaris have orange on them. With anything, breeding the desired traits long enough will yield the results you want but I dont think we are that far yet with clowns. Not in the mainstream anyway. __________________ For in much wisdom [is] much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow. Member of the AGA (Aquatic Gardner's Association) Member of the IBC (International Betta Congress)

04-02-2007, 04:51 PM	#12
Damon Aquatic Naturalist Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dayton, Ohio Age: 32 Posts: 14,982	I agree. And even the solid black ocellaris are solid. They still have some orange (usually around the mouth). Yes there is a huge difference between saddlebacks and ocellaris (size being the easiest identifier). Just letting the poster know you can get your "black" clowns that arent necessarily false percs. __________________ For in much wisdom [is] much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow. Member of the AGA (Aquatic Gardner's Association) Member of the IBC (International Betta Congress)

04-03-2007, 07:46 AM	#14
Ice Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Age: 43 Posts: 523	I have seen Onyx Clownfish as well. So how are they bred ? I've always thought b&w clowns, Onyx clowns etc ... are all hybrids.

04-03-2007, 11:28 AM	#15
TheOldSalt Darth Ichthyos Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,252	There are two black clown species besides polymnus, by the way. One is latezonatus, and other is mccullochi. You won't be mistaking either one of these for anything else, either, so distinctive are their appearances.

04-11-2007, 02:14 AM	#17
Courtney Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Rogers, Ohio, USA Age: 25 Posts: 260	http://www.marinecenter.com/fish/clo...whiteaustrali/ Thats the one i want actually i want two.... went to petco yesterday and got two black clownfish for $40 each.. __________________ http://monsters.rockyou.com/google_a...hp?i=167441100 Last edited by Courtney; 04-17-2007 at 11:15 AM.

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