Opinions Differ!

[Fishfirst]

I would like to take a time out here for a second to say that the saltwater forum has been getting quite hostile lately, and it will not be tolerated. ANY thing close to a personal attack will be edited, whether from a MOD, Super MOD, Admin, or just a user. Fishforums has always prided itself on being a friendly forum, so if you don't have anything nice to say, DON'T SAY IT. Failure to chronically do so will result in disiplinary action.

Thank you

Paul

[Bear]

I guess I've missed something, but sounds good

[Ice]

I guess I missed something too - unless it all started with OldManoftheSea thread ... Sounds like a plan to do whatever it takes to end the hostilities.

[leveldrummer]

just what "disiplinary action" was taken in the situation we talked about? since i never received a response?


and i would like to add, this forum is based towards a hobby, and in this hobby things die, and everyone involved should do their best to save as many critters as possible, but things still die. its just the way it is. and a hobby forum isnt the proper place to premote save the reefs, there are many things to do that would help the natural enviroment, and if your really all about saving the reefs, first thing you should do is stop comming on a hobby board, sell your tanks, and stop supporting anything about the hobby.

[Damon]

Why isn't this the place? This is exactly where such talk should begin. How else would like minded people exchange ideas?

[flamingo]

All I have to say- calm down on the nano talk and those who've kept saltwater for a few months shouldn't freak out in threads.

[leveldrummer]

Originally Posted by Damon Why isn't this the place? This is exactly where such talk should begin. How else would like minded people exchange ideas?

i find it highly hypocritical to be on a hobby board and preaching about our natural ecosystems, if anyone really cared that much, like i already said, they need to sell their tank, stop supporting this buisness all together, become more proactive against collections of wild specimens, they are many serious dangers to our reef habitats, i agree, but keeping such a system in my house kinda stops me from having a good say so in any argument against it.

its like a person holding poker tournaments in his house, complaining that vegas it holding to many poker tournaments. its a huge conflict of interests.

[TheOldSalt]

*sigh*
shakes head, wondering how long it'll take leveldrummer to get the real point, but rooting for him

[leveldrummer]

Originally Posted by TheOldSalt *sigh* shakes head, wondering how long it'll take leveldrummer to get the real point, but rooting for him

i dont really need you "rooting for me" and i really dont appreciate the condescending tone of your post.

[TheOldSalt]

Those of you who just tuned in may like to know that we hashed this out in chat and the crisis has been averted. Move along..nothing to see here...these aren't the droids you're looking for...

[harif87]

Originally Posted by TheOldSalt these aren't the droids you're looking for...

These arent the droids were looking for..... Move along, move along...

I have to agree with Damon on the point that it is an open forum to discuss ideas. However it cant come to the point where one member is being singled out or attacked in any way, thats just uncalled for. Which means that if someone disagrees with anothers post, the poster shouldnt lash out on the guy. That should go for both parties.

Also leveldrummer, i understand where your comming from. Its kind of like saying that wearing leather jackets is wrong but you still wear leather belts...
But i think that this hobby must be coupled with awareness of what the reality of our oceans are. Otherwise we wouldnt care about checking on ammonia levels because "theres always more fish in the sea". But responsible reefers are aware of how to take while still giving back as well preserve. And the reason why we (well me at least) talk about saving the reefs is so the reefers listening will become responsible...... its what Bob Fenner calls conscientious. If we're responsible we can very well save the reefs.

"Humans only love what they know; and people do not destroy what they love." -Fenner


EDIT:

*Turns to Stormtrooper*

Those aren't the droids we're looking for.


Edit: Psht. had to go and beat me, huh Morris? Poo.

[leveldrummer]

harif, i agree, with pretty much everything you said, but my problems are that this forums has recently taken a turn away from conscientious reef keepers, to "my way or nothing" know it alls preaching the exact way to do anything, my posts come off one sided, because i feel im the only one defending the other side. simply trying to prove a point.

we all know with our hobby there are many ways to reach a single goal, for instance... if you wanna keep an acro, there are many lighting choices, skimmer or no skimmer. barebottom? deep sand bed? and all these things intermingle to come to a conclusion, its not anyones place to say "this" is how its done, all you can say is this is what worked for me... ive read about this method, blah blah blah, and let the person asking the question come to their own conclusion. and to everyone making the starwars comments... oldsalt obviously didnt realize i posted that last comment AFTER we had our chat, and im still angry because it was "his" way. i really had no say so. no matter what i said, i was wrong. thats just the way it is, he's right. so even though this is a public forum, its his personal views that are the right way to do it.

[Reefneck]

Wow, Sitting back wondering what happened to all my buds and a time when we all get along. I really like this place for what it used to be. If it ain't broke, Don't fix it. Previously if someone got out of line it was handled by PMs with that person and any bad posts removed. It worked great.

As far as this argument goes......I'll be over here sitting on the bench. I don't wanna play.

[TheOldSalt]

Oh, for crying out loud...

Yes, there are multiple ways to do most things. There is usually one way which is best, too.

However, that is not the issue here. The issue is that you are getting bent WAY too far out of shape over something pretty lame.

I guess now I have to clarify some things for the peanut gallery. So be it, Jedi.

Leveldrummer isn't complaining about any particular way that I am saying a reeftank should be done on a nut & bolt basis, despite how it sounds. Oh, no, he is complaining that I am against the promotion of NANO-reefing in such a way as to give the impression that it is something super-easy and cheap that every inexperienced Tom, ****************, and Harry should try just for kicks. Strangely, this is something he doesn't seem to quite grasp himself, seemingly thinking instead that I am against would-be nanoreefers themselves, which explains his anger. I just don't know how much more plainly I can say it, really; people wanting to start nanoreefs are certainly deserving of all the assistance we can offer, BUT there is no way I'm going to actively inspire hordes of rank beginners to try it when I know that most of them will go off half-c ocked and fail, and I won't stand idly by and let anyone else do it, either. Why this is such an issue to him I cannot say, but there it is. He thinks I am against "conscientious reefkeepers" while at the same time griping that I am trying to actually act conscientiously. I just don't get it. He says he's just trying to make a point, but I can't see his point through the hostility. I think I almost do, but it's like his point is about something else we aren't even arguing over as far as I know. Or are we? Is that the problem?

I remember when level was first getting started with his first reeftank. He went to so much effort to study, study, study his little heart out in order to make his project a big success, and it paid off quite nicely. We weren't all there telling him to just slap something together and go for it because it's easy. We were telling him quite the opposite, as I recall, and it made him do everything right the first time. A good system, I think. Don'tcha just love irony?

By the way, level is NOT one of the guys saying it's easy to set up and run a nano without a clue. He just gets overly excited when I get on the case of someone who does say such things.