Couple of my catches at the beach today

[Ice Prince]

Wow lol that would be cool to watch.

[Scuba Kid]

Originally Posted by jasno999

YOu should not be takign things out of the water. It is illegal and there is a reason for that. If we let everybody do this the reef environments would be devestated by people taking creatures out of the habitat.

The worst part is if you are goign to do something like this then you should not broadcast it on a website..... the last hting you should do is put that in writting cause if you do get caught there is written proof that you took animals out of the ocean.........

You should really not be posting about things you know nothing about.

Laws and regulations vary greatly depending on locale. You cannot say "it is illegal" unless you know the laws and know the permits the said person has.

I've personally read enough of your ranting on this subject around the site for one day, especially since you tend to bring back a lot of old threads and make comments that are false.

[Ice]

No arguments there. Well said.

[wetpetshawaii]

thanks.....the anemone hermits are reef safe.....Aloha

[TheOldSalt]

Reef safe? Really?
Are you sure about that?
You can't think of anything that could possibly go wrong, then?

[Fishfirst]

I am aware of the collection laws in both hawaii and florida... and I will be collecting down there as well next time I go. No need to attack people for collecting things when it is perfectly legal.

[leveldrummer]

Originally Posted by wetpetshawaii

thanks.....the anemone hermits are reef safe.....Aloha

dont they move around and sting anything that they can?

[s13]

Mine got him a damsel lol with the anemone

[s13]

I actually also caught a sand dollar and I thought it died because it sat on its back for like 3 weeks but I just put him in my peac0cks tank and he burried himself quickly

[TheOldSalt]

Yes, drummer, that's exactly what'll happen.

[Ice]

I just saw a pom pom crab in liveaquaria.com and they say to be used with caution in a reef tank. I agree with leveldrummer & TOS regarding the hermit with the anemone on his shell that is to be used with caution in a reef tank. They are better off in a tank with no corals.

[wetpetshawaii]

I will not argue with an experienced reeferon the hermits with amenomes.....we have FO systems here in Hawaii so my experience with reef is.....next to none....I would build live reef replicas out of sun bleached out rocks, resin and pigment colors to try and get a live rock look I know how to catch fish and take care of FO tanks....you guys are lucky to be able to have such awesome corals and rocks.....

[harif87]

Decorator crabs usually stay in hiding, IME/O, theyre not really worth getting.
I wouldnt worry about the decorator crab killing off your precious SPS speciens..... the anems they carry pack a tiny punch compared to regular sized colonies. On the otherhand it might not be the best thing if you want smaller invert populations to thrive.

Overall in my humble opinion, its not something worth spending money on.... yeah it looks pretty in the pictures, but how often are you going to see it?
And i wouldnt place any significance on the fear that it might hurt your coals, unless your adding a whole bunch to a small tank.

[jasno999]

Originally Posted by Ichthius

Let's see...you need a simple fishing license to catch/keep fw fishes from property other than your own...people catch fish every day and eat them, mount them on a hunk of wood on the wall, or toss them back in the water. You need a sw fishing license to catch/keep fish from the ocean. People also catch, eat, and mount sw fish on a hunk of wood on their wall every day .

This is how we get fish to begin with...the wild. This is how we learn about fish...the wild. This is how we can preserve species and observe them for the future when far worse things could happen to their environments...the wild. I'm not for capturing endangered fish or the like, but what if you can successfully breed them to release back? The hermits you get in fish stores are just as likely to have been caught in the same way.

So, my point, I don't believe it is illegal, least not where I am, and I don't think s13 would ignore the laws of his/her state and broadcast it publically. I think it's far worse to pointlessly hunt/fish animals than to keep them alive for personal education and possibly doing good in the future with them. We have all kept wild caught fish. We do a lot more damage to the environment in other ways every day .

s13, nice, great pics

Most states have laws against collecting things from the ocean. Soem places will not even let you take sand from the beack nevrmind live animals from the ocean. YOu need to double check your states laws and look into the details... The problem is that if everybody was allowed to take what they wanted out of the ocean then the habitat would be devistated.... Peopel go fishing but there are more fish than there are coral habitats--- nd the coral does not reproduce as quickley.....

Granted I am sure somehting in my tank is from the wild... However I would rather get my coral from places that try to breed in captivity. And if not that I would rathr get them fro ma place that has the proper paperwork to legally pull items out of hte sea.....

All I am sayign is that you should not be doing this.. YOu do it and then share your storry on this fourm or on any site and then everybody else thinks it is ok for them to do it to.. Soon everybody is doign it and the habitat is being hurt.....


Just think about it....

[GoodMike]

lmao, just think about the law jason. if you dont know it, dont talk like you do . if you dont support taking things from the wild..but admit to probably having something in your tank from the wild, doesnt that make you a hypocrit? please do look around this forum, and understand that there are many posts with people who are taking things from the wild in an unethical manner and getting bashed hard for it.

My words of wisdom, think before you speak. If you dont know for sure, dont talk like you do.

[Scuba Kid]

Originally Posted by jasno999

Most states have laws against collecting things from the ocean.

NO! WRONG!
SOME states have limits or regulations but not made ILLEGAL. You need to stop preaching your "laws against taking marine life" until you get your facts straight!

Originally Posted by jasno999

Peopel go fishing but there are more fish than there are coral habitats--- nd the coral does not reproduce as quickley.....

Please show me again where people were posting about collecting corals? I don't recall this ever being an issue...

Originally Posted by jasno999

All I am sayign is that you should not be doing this.. YOu do it and then share your storry on this fourm or on any site and then everybody else thinks it is ok for them to do it to.. Soon everybody is doign it and the habitat is being hurt.....

Again, prove to me where this is hurting the environment, as in a credible source stating that small-scale collection like this damaging. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You're just playing Mr. Eco-Friendly and until you have some actual proof to backup your anti-collection statements, you should not be going around the site making them.

If you are against wild collection, you're better off not keeping fish. Most, especially in the saltwater hobby, are caught from the wild and on a large scale.

[stargate_geek]

Cool catches! I don't know how to dive, but I got to snorkel a couple times when I lived in Hawaii My mom made me get out (I was 9 at the time) when she saw a barracuda, I just thought it was cool! We saw lots of cool fish though, I've wanted to do a reef tank ever since, but don't have the $$$

[wetpetshawaii]

thanks.....its funny my friends have a lot more experience diving then I do and when we are done diving I got me about a half of 1 floating laundry basket full of fish and look over at their catch and they got like 3 full baskets oooooh one day I will top their catch....ha ha ha anyways you will be surprised at how many people wanna be your friend once they hear you got a boat...LOL!!! no worries guys we all have lic. to catch fish for the ornamental fish industry trade and the state puts strict regulations on what can be caught and what cannot....including size limitations on some species and some spots are closed on even years and only open on odd number years...so I hope that sheds some light on collecting....Aloha

[TheOldSalt]

Hey, Wetpets, have you considered making your own artificial liverock? There are ways you can do this which will give you a whole tankful of great looking rock for a tiny fraction of the price of real liverock, and it would be legal in Hawaii. Try the GARF website for some ideas, and ask.com also has some good stuff in the DIY (do it yourself) sections.
I'd bet that a whole lot of hawaiian would-be reefleepers would love to get some homemade liverock, so that could be another market for you, maybe.

[Ice]

I'm in 100% agreement with Mike & Scuba Kid. Jasno999 - stop with your preaching that you "think" you know it all about the laws. Florida, Hawaii, and other ocean beach coasts differ from state to state. I commend wetpetshawaii for his knowledge with his local laws on what he can and can't take out of the ocean. He has mentioned he has a license more than once in this forum topic. And to boot - he has caught some cool fishes & inverts for his FO tank.
I still like that hermit with the anemone on his shell. Makes me want to re-think of going FO instead of FOWLR setup for my future first SW tank. LOL !!