Hey all ! just got my black moore goldfish today! please come in

[lamonsas]

i see, so i need to forget about the stress coat and stress zyme at all, right? unless i do a 75% water change, however tommorow when i will change 10% of the water i will need to add chlorine/chloramine medicine, wel not medicine i just cant find the right word for that. what brand of the chlorine/chloramine product do u use? and how much do i have to put in the water since im doing a 10% water change? btw ill be good with a 10% water change every 5 days right? every week that is, and u sure i dont need the stress coat and stress zyme at all?

[lamonsas]

oh i just read about the stress coat and looks like i was confused, stress coat removes chlorine and chloramine, so tommorow when i will replace like 10 percent of the water with the vacum and put 10% of new tap water, i will add stress coat to the water(amount according to the directions on the product for a 10 gallon tank of course, right? i do not understand when i should use the stress zyme however, please assist me, i am askin this because this is most likely the last part i need to know in order for me to maintaine my aquarium, every week i will vacum the gravel and take out 10% of the water from the tank with my vacum and replace it wil tap water, then i will add stress coat, the amount thats needed for a 10 gallon tank according to the directions, am i correct on that part? and do i need to add stress zyme as well every time i change the 10% water? if not , when do i add stress zyme?

[bscman]

The only thing I add to my water during a water change is chlorine/chloramine remover. If your stress coat does those things as well as a few other things that's probably just fine--go ahead and use it--it shouldn't hurt anything.

Also, when adding the chlorine treatment...
You do NOT need to treat 10 gallons of water. You only need to treat the new, fresh water you are adding to your tank. So if you're adding 1.5 gallons of fresh water, you only need enough treatment to treat 1.5gallons of water. Read your directions. It seems like many of them say "One scoop or capful for every 10 gallons" so in this case, you could just guess how much would sufficiently treat 1.5 gallons...so like 1/8 of a capful or so.

As for the other thing, I really doubt you need it...
Out of curiousity, what is the brand and name of product so I know what you are talking about exactly? Maybe that would help me give you a little better advice.

Otherwise, I think you're set.
Once a week PWC (partial water changes) via gravel vac (siphon) and treat the new water before you add it. It wouldn't hurt to change more water, like 15-20% too, if you feel like it. There is no such thing as too clean of water.

I should add, try and get the new fresh water close to the same temp as the tank...too hot or cold can shock the fish and stress him out.

Best of luck

[lamonsas]

the brand of my stress coat and sress zyme is from Aquarium Pharmaceuticals (API), i did the vacum with the siphon vacuma and then i added tap water to the tank and then i added stress coat and stress zyme, i had a little difficulity with the siphon vacum btw, i mean i was moving it up and down and it was like geting the waste up in the water i think it sucked some but not all, is there some trick to this or anything to make it more sufficiently, btw i thought it was also sucking the water but i was wrong, anyway i just tooked a bowl and a bucket and thats how i took the water out and then i just added tap water with bowl, filling in the amount of water i took out with fresh new tap water and like i said then i added stress coat and stress zyme,

[bscman]

Well, there is a bit of a trick to get a siphon started...
TO make it easy, put one end under the water in tank and suck on the other end until water starts flowing...then put the end u sucked on into a bucket (that is below the level of the tank) and let gravity do the work.

[lamonsas]

i dont understand, can u please be more specific? btw i didnt relize that the instructions were for a complete 10 gallon water replacment and i added 2 teaspoons of both stress coat and stress zyme even tho i only changed like 15-20% of the water, i didnt harm the fish right? next time i will only add HALF a teaspoon or less, right?

[bscman]

I don't think it'll do too much damage putting too much stress coat in the water--my local Petsmart will put a HUGE amount in the bag when you buy fish (probably enough for 15-20 gallons of water) and they always turn out A-Okay.

As for the gravel vac.
Do you know how a siphon works?
You can only siphon from high to low. So if your tank is on a stand, place the bucket you want to drain water into on the FLOOR. Gravity does the work here.

You need to get the siphon started. Put one end in the tank and suck on the other end to get the water flowing. Once it starts flowing, gravity will take over and keep the water flowing.
Then just dip the large end of the gravel vac lightly into the gravel and it'll suck up the debris, but not the gravel. One you're done, simply remove it from the tank. The water stops flowing and you're done!

[lamonsas]

well i do have it on a stand but i still dont understtand how to make it suck the waste, well 1 side of the vacum is basically like a pumper shape with a nose and i connect a hose to it, its basically like this in the picture i found on google: http://cichlidresearch.com/gifs/simp...n_DSC_4803.jpg

just has like a broom tip on the front part(not the blue part, the blue part is where i connect the hose)

the tank is very heavy and i dont think i can put it on the floor really

btw i gave my fishy today cucumber, a little piece of course and he ate it and i also gave him a litttle piece of lettuce and he also ate it!

[Willow]

Don't put the tank on the floor---don't try to move it at all, if it's full, the weight of the water will crack the glass. The tank needs to be higher than the bucket, or the water won't flow (at least not in the right direction!). What you want to do is put a bucket on the floor (3 or 5 gallon buckets cost a couple bucks in the paint section at Wal-Mart), then put the siphon into the tank and move it up and down until water starts coming out the other end. At least this is how it works theoretically. I always have to start the siphon by sucking on the end, but be sure to watch the water coming down the tubing, or you'll get a mouthful of fish water. Which is really gross, but won't kill you. I've done it a zillion times.

StressCoat is a good dechlorinator. I use it most of the time. It doesn't matter if you put too much in, it's not toxic even in large doses, but it isn't cheap, either. You only have to put enough in for the amount of water you replaced, so, yeah, 1/2 a teaspoon should do it.

StressZyme doesn't do anything. Though it won't hurt if you want to keep adding it until it's used up. But you don't have to buy any more of it, save your money for better things.

[bscman]

It works by the basic concept of a siphon. Do you know how to siphon?



And again, the TANK STAYS ON THE STAND....the bucket you drain into goes on the floor. Siphons work by gravity.
Put the large end into the tank, make sure it stays submerged. Get the water flowing through the hose (start sucking on it until the water is sucket to the end of the hose you're sucking on....put it immediately into the bucket. The pull of gravity will continue pulling water out of the tank until you remove then large end from the tank.

The large end goes in the tank, once the water is flowing, plunge the large end lightly into the gravel...the suctions from the siphoning action will lift the waste and leave the gravel in place.

A simple siphon.

[fishiesrfriends]

Tbh, I didn't read the whole thing, but let's see if I get this right... you've got 2 goldys (goldfish) in a 10 gallon?
Overstocked, those need 30 gallons, so you should rehome them or ut them in a 30 gallon.
Also, you haven't cycled your tank?
You should do that right away or your fish will suffer.
You don't know how to use a siphon?
You can also use a turkey baster, I heard some people use that. To use a siphon, it usually has 2 tubes, a big cylinder, and a long small tube. You put the big tube in the tank, with the little tube sticking out, then you push it up and down to create a flow... btw, there will be a bucket on the other end of the small tube where the water comes out. So the water and dirt is floating out of the tank and into the bucket. Do this until you remove the amount needed. Since you are so overstocked I suggest a 50% every other day. Then you take the bucket, dump it somewhere (it's really good for plantS) and you replace it with tap water (you have to add the "coats" first).
Flakes are these:

they come in different colors.
HTH!

i have the same siphon that you showed but to get it working, i just put the whole thing in the water and get all the air out of it. then i just plug the "out" hole and put it in the bucket. once it is in the bucket, i let it go and water starts to come out. that way only my hands get wet and there is no dirty fish water in my mouth.

[lamonsas]

i gott the siphon to work and ************ fishiesfriend, who said i have 2 goldies eh? i have 1 black moore goldfish and im getting my tank cycled by changing my water every 2 days and putting stress coat and stress zyme with every water change, im doing around 50% and yes its a 10 gallon tank, i have 1 question, if i were to get ANOTHER 10 gallon tank, could i put an albino oscar in it ? hes small right now, i saw him in the store yesterday but i heared that 10 gallon is too small for an oscar albino, and again im talking 1 oscar albino not 2 or anything, ?

i wouldn't even put an oscar in a 10 gallon as a grow out tank. they produce so much waste and grow so fast you prolly wouldn't even be able to keep him in there for a month if you feed him right. they will eventually need at least a 75 gallon tank. i might be wrong because there is somehing in the back of my head that says they need more but...

[lamonsas]

ya so i guess i will forget about the oscar cuz i cant get a 75 galon, why do they have him in a 10 gallon tank in the store tho? or maybe its 30 gallon