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Old 05-16-2011, 07:00 PM   #1
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Default My goldfish stays at the bottom of the tank.

My calico goldfish has recently started laying on the bottom of the tank, it'll move occasionally and rest again at another spot on the bottom of the tank. It normally would swim around, doing barrel rolls and playing with the other goldfish. It just started doing this yesterday. I figured it was just sleeping but it's been doing it all day now. Nothing new in the tank or in their food regiment. No ick or parasites that I see on it. Just concerned.

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Old 05-16-2011, 08:07 PM   #2
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SBD? You could feed some peas and see if it clears things up; food may have gotten stuck in the gut.
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Old 05-16-2011, 08:45 PM   #3
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I've tried the pea trick in the past when it becomes buoyant and it's struggling to stay from the top of the tank. Never had it happen for when it's weighted down.


Completely different question, but is it ever a good idea to take all the gravel out of the tank and thoroughly run it through the water to clean it? I do a gravel vac every month regularly.

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I think chlorine-filled tap water would kill the good bacteria on your gravel...how about gravel vacuuming every week, to keep things tidy?
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Old 05-16-2011, 09:26 PM   #5
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I could do that. Just never seen my fish stay at the bottom of the tank for a long period of time. I get that they sleep like that, but they're awake and doing it. So I thought maybe the tanks more dirty than I thought? Even when I gravel vac I always see stuff floating around and it bothers me it's in there. I change out my 4 filters every month.
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Old 05-16-2011, 10:44 PM   #6
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The tank could be dirtier than you thought! How much water do you remove each week?
And definately gravel vacuum every week! Goldfish are big poop machines! I've been known to vaccuum, and then grab a net and catch a bunch of the floaties that are stirred up. Some might say I'm just being too picky, but I swear it helps! Just don't stress the fish more than necessary.

Also, when you change your filters, try changing one each week, rather than all at once. Some of your beneficial bacteria is in there, too.
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Old 05-17-2011, 12:28 PM   #7
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I should of been more specific about changing all 4 of my filters. I change one a week starting at the back and working my way to the forward ones.

My calico goldfish has always had problems. If I feed them dry food/flakes he gets air in him and he becomes buoyant and I have to feed him peas. Now he's having a sinking problem, it's very noticeable. I'm worried he's over straining himself to swim off of the bottom of the tank.



Could it be swim bladder disorder?


List to one side
float upside down
swim pointing head downward / upward
Unable to rise from the bottom <--- current condition
Unable to swim down to bottom <---- this happens a lot
Listless

If the fish is stuck at the bottom of the tank, it is advised to remove about 50% of the water from the tank, releaving some of the water pressure on the goldfish.

With 3 other Goldfish in the tank is that a good idea?

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http://www.desktopgoldfish.com/goldf...der%20Disorder
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Old 05-17-2011, 01:07 PM   #8
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I'd say as you've already mentioned floating matter in the water, and the fishes condition, overfeeding is the problem, you'd be suprised at how much food fish can thrive on.....I'd say depending on the last water change, if it's been over a month since a water change then do a 10% water change today while gravel cleaning, a 20% water change the following day, then a 30% the next day, then the following day make 50% water changed every day until the tank is crystal clear........if it was within the week since the last change then just do a gravel clean removing 50% of the water, and repeat everyday until there is no floating matter in the tank........during this you should feed the fish about the equavilant amount of the size of their eye for a while, once the fish are healthy you can step up the food, but I'd say cutting down the food a lot.
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Old 05-17-2011, 02:01 PM   #9
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Your problem is lack of cleaning and changing out your filters too often.

Filters shouldn't be changed out for ATLEAST 4-6 months... what you can do to keep the debris off is when you do your water change, swish your filter pad around in the bucket with the old tank water. Every time you change out your filters you're losing good bacteria which helps fight off ammonia.

Also, goldfish are very high polluters. You need to do water changes once a week, not once a month.

What size is your tank and how many goldfish do you have? (This could also be your problem)
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4 oranda goldfish in a 25g. I had a 90g being delivered up here but the company I had shipping it didn't fasten it down properly and it was destroyed. They've reimbursed me for the cost of the aquarium ( hence my other post about building an aquarium ). I hadn't expected to have them in such a small aquarium for so long. I'd of transported my 90g with me initially but I can't fit that into a 76 Mustang.... so I had to transport them in a 25g when I drove from Kansas to Canada.

Being such a small tank was why I was cleaning out the filters often. I never changed the 2 bio-wheels. I only have a thin layer of gravel rocks so doing a gravel vac isn't hard. Just with a small aquarium I hated to take out so much water.
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Old 05-18-2011, 02:03 AM   #11
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Well its pretty obvious and you're aware you're over stocked for that size tank.

My suggestion to you is to perform 2 water changes a week in till you get your new tank setup. Also stop changing out your filters so often, just a good swoosh in old tank water will do the trick
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Old 05-18-2011, 12:01 PM   #12
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Should I clean my filters out at least when I do a gravel vac or just let them be?
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Once your bucket is full of dirty tank water, take out the carbon filters and swish them around in the bucket to get the excess gunk off. That should be plenty good enough.
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Once your bucket is full of dirty tank water, take out the carbon filters and swish them around in the bucket to get the excess gunk off. That should be plenty good enough.
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Been gravel vacuuming the aquarium twice a week and I also added aquarium salt and he's been swimming around a lot more. I'm building a 55 gallon aquarium and it should be done by next weekend.
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