Need Suggestions for "plasma" tank - Page 2

**Fishfirst** · 08-03-2005, 11:32 PM

Also maybe you can make a deal with shaggy by incorporating our fish profiles we are creating with your manual/software for the advertisement of this site. Just an idea! Also we appriecate the change in stocking levels, I haven't looked at them yet but any improvement would be a point toward you and your company.

IloveCichlids · 08-04-2005, 08:49 AM

I read on your post about stocking levels, there are members here that are working to develop a system that will be more sufficient than the 1" per gallon rule. It is coming along but will take some time to figure out.

There are many people out there that have been misinformed, myself being one of them, until I found this site. I was one of those that was lead to believe about the 1" per gallon rule was the golden rule, I was quit misinformed as I found out by reading posts on this site. I personally am very happy that you and your company are willing to learn to improve your product as well as inform new and old hobbyist alike and not spread misinformation but help teach the correct ways to enjoy this hobby and have a successful project that looks beautiful.

I think your idea is a good one that could possibly help bring new members into a great hobby.

euRasian32 · 08-04-2005, 02:21 PM

My .02

Looks like someone couldn't afford a 10 gallon and decided to make a TANK out of a refugium.

When you "tested" for years before you started marketing, was it hanging on the wall?

Telling people that they can't afford something is an insult. Be a straight shooter, it's the only way to earn peoples respect wether they like your product or not.

You need to be specific on the dimensions and the actual number of gallons it will hold. It seems that it can hold more than 6 gallons as stated previously.

No mention of the output of the pump(s).

You need to have a specific list of fish that can or may thrive in that small of an environment. Broad ranges of "do not keep fish that grow more than _ inches" will be unacceptable. Arguments are going on as we speak about the max size of an oscar, the stunting of growth due to cramped environments, and wether or not a red tail cat is too big for a 10 gal.

You should fire your graphic design person. The horror show lettering is very 70's. (lets do the time warp again). I've got a number to a 3 year old in Brooklyn that does wonders with an etch-a-sketch, I'm sure he'll hook you up for some oreos and milk.

I have to say, I like the idea, but I despise the half-assed effort in your research before you started to market the product, but redemtion will be in order when and if you rectify the situation by clarifying specifics opposed to a round figure.
What makes me like the idea, is the overflow boxes, but I can't tell if there's one on each side.

Called for prices, talk to Brad. Seems like a nice guy, couldn't finish the converstation, got cut off. It does have overflowboxes on both sides, the kit is 599.99, the additional pump is 29.99. It's a 4.5 watt unit.

ImagineAquatics · 08-04-2005, 02:48 PM

What I meant to say about the price was that you won't see it in a pet store yet because it's too expensive. I'm terribly sorry if I offended anyone (I'm not trying to, I swear.) I did not mean to say that you can't afford it (I can't afford one... ), it's just that I cannot negotiate a reasonable markup that will make both myself and the pet store guys happy. They make too much money on the standard tanks and equipment at the moment. This makes it unlikely that you would come across one to see it work before you purchase one. That's what I was meaning (I have little experience posting on forums...).

We have had LOUSY luck in pet stores. Businesses and the like are our focus at the moment, because they are easy to approach. There's not a 'no call list' for them, and I can stop buy to talk during business hours. I know many people CAN afford it, for sure. It's just that I haven't found a good way to get to those people. We can't afford much (any, really) advertising. I've been selling them mostly to people I know.

We are small fries still, is what I'm trying to get at. If you are reading this, then you know about it, and if you want one I'd be happy to sell you one. They are $599.99 at this time. I don't recommend an extra pump unless you have a very cold room, or fish that enjoy very steamy water (29.99 extra. Danner Pondmaster 140GPH magdrive). They come with one 13W (comp.) 50/50 bulb. Any other specifics you'd like to hear about, just ask. I'll run through the entire setup with you.

We are testing invert only tanks, but I'd rather not recommend them at this time, as we don't know how they will do in a longer timespan. Results so far are positive, but we'll have to see.
______________

Also about the software idea... I like it. I don't intend to make money off of information we gather, so we can all benefit.

Any other ideas are greatly appreciated. Now is the time for suggestions while it is still relatively simple to change the design and the information.

PS Sorry again about the stocking issue.

ImagineAquatics · 08-04-2005, 02:50 PM

Oh, about the capacity. The 7.5 gallon is 'tank volume'. 6 gallons is the average water we actually put into a tank. If it's completely full, the overflow doesn't work effectively. Is this not the way capacity is rated???? If not, then I have another problem to fix.

ImagineAquatics · 08-04-2005, 03:51 PM

About the graphic design, well, I'm fired! I'm pretty decent at programing, bad at making catchy websites. I single handedly do pretty much everything around here. It's tough. I try to do it all the right way, but I'm strapped for time and cash (I don't have any employees to fire. All volunteer and family). Go figure

No harm no foul!

flynngriff · 08-04-2005, 04:26 PM

So far, it seems like you're on the right track... What you need to do now is learn more about the hobby, which is what it seems you're trying to do.

As for your design, I think it's a good idea. It sounds like you have good filtration and aeration, which are the key factors. In addition to those two, all you really need is a bucket of water...

The best thing to do now is research. Look at sites like fishbase.org and learn about the many, many different kinds of fish out there, so you can recommend stock that will be healthy in a tank like yours. It sounds like you understand about the mechanics of fishkeeping. Now you have to learn about the fish themselves and the theories behind it all. Honestly, what I'd really recommend is going out and getting some fish tanks of your own... Learn to keep fish healthy in standard aquariums, and then work on the fancy stuff.

By the way, kudos for keeping a good attitude in the face of what some people might think are some pretty insulting responses.

-Flynn

euRasian32 · 08-04-2005, 04:44 PM

I'm guilty of some of those insulting responses.

"Lord I apologize for that, and bless the starving pygmies in New Guinea."

ImagineAquatics · 08-04-2005, 04:59 PM

NP there euRasian! I've sent a flame or two in my day

flynngriff · 08-04-2005, 05:00 PM

I wasn't trying to point any fingers, but I'm not going to argue with you...

-Flynn

euRasian32 · 08-04-2005, 11:09 PM

I'd be the first to admit I was wrong, and I've sort of talked it out with Brad through PM, no hard feelings. He seems genuine on doing things right. I truly hope I don't distort the friendly image of the forum, so mods feel free to omit my previous post.

Brad: a suggestion; not something that's innovative and new, but with the same or similiar dimensions of the wall-mount tank, you could easily design a refugium.

ImagineAquatics · 08-05-2005, 02:48 AM

There are actually plans on the works. I can't discuss any of my 'future' filteration designs (patent stuff

), but it will provide the same function. We would like somthing without an impeller to chop up all of the goodies in an invert tank.

euRasian32 · 08-10-2005, 04:27 PM

Brad:

Saw some competition out there. No filter and a lot less holding capacity. ************ are aerating balls? sick minds need not respond...

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Wall-Mounted...QQcmdZViewItem

08-03-2005, 11:32 PM	#21
Fishfirst Fish Guru Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Northern Wisconsin Age: 24 Posts: 3,704 Blog Entries: 6	Also maybe you can make a deal with shaggy by incorporating our fish profiles we are creating with your manual/software for the advertisement of this site. Just an idea! Also we appriecate the change in stocking levels, I haven't looked at them yet but any improvement would be a point toward you and your company. __________________ 210 Gal Reef w/ 55 Gallon Sump/Fuge, 125 Gal Fish Only, 65 Gal Seahorse-29 Gallon Sump, 55 Gal FOWLR, 54 Gal Corner FW Community, 20 Gal Nano FOWLR, 55 Gal Piranha, 29 gallon QT "All the yellow tangs and clownfish in the world can't save you now! hahahah" Peter from Family Guy

08-04-2005, 08:49 AM	#22
IloveCichlids Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: St. Louis, MO Age: 29 Posts: 462	I read on your post about stocking levels, there are members here that are working to develop a system that will be more sufficient than the 1" per gallon rule. It is coming along but will take some time to figure out. There are many people out there that have been misinformed, myself being one of them, until I found this site. I was one of those that was lead to believe about the 1" per gallon rule was the golden rule, I was quit misinformed as I found out by reading posts on this site. I personally am very happy that you and your company are willing to learn to improve your product as well as inform new and old hobbyist alike and not spread misinformation but help teach the correct ways to enjoy this hobby and have a successful project that looks beautiful. I think your idea is a good one that could possibly help bring new members into a great hobby. __________________ When you feel like this... , just watch your fish, & have a tasty beverage (of your choice, I like Kool-Aid)!

08-04-2005, 02:21 PM	#23
euRasian32 Why So Serious? Join Date: May 2005 Location: Virginia Age: 33 Posts: 772	My .02 Looks like someone couldn't afford a 10 gallon and decided to make a TANK out of a refugium. When you "tested" for years before you started marketing, was it hanging on the wall? Telling people that they can't afford something is an insult. Be a straight shooter, it's the only way to earn peoples respect wether they like your product or not. You need to be specific on the dimensions and the actual number of gallons it will hold. It seems that it can hold more than 6 gallons as stated previously. No mention of the output of the pump(s). You need to have a specific list of fish that can or may thrive in that small of an environment. Broad ranges of "do not keep fish that grow more than _ inches" will be unacceptable. Arguments are going on as we speak about the max size of an oscar, the stunting of growth due to cramped environments, and wether or not a red tail cat is too big for a 10 gal. You should fire your graphic design person. The horror show lettering is very 70's. (lets do the time warp again). I've got a number to a 3 year old in Brooklyn that does wonders with an etch-a-sketch, I'm sure he'll hook you up for some oreos and milk. I have to say, I like the idea, but I despise the half-assed effort in your research before you started to market the product, but redemtion will be in order when and if you rectify the situation by clarifying specifics opposed to a round figure. What makes me like the idea, is the overflow boxes, but I can't tell if there's one on each side. Called for prices, talk to Brad. Seems like a nice guy, couldn't finish the converstation, got cut off. It does have overflowboxes on both sides, the kit is 599.99, the additional pump is 29.99. It's a 4.5 watt unit. __________________ “Corporations pay people just enough money so they won’t quit. People work just enough so they don’t get fired. What's that about?” – Christopher Walken, Pool Hall Junkies

08-04-2005, 02:48 PM	#24
ImagineAquatics Fishy Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Age: 29 Posts: 27	Sorry bout the price thing What I meant to say about the price was that you won't see it in a pet store yet because it's too expensive. I'm terribly sorry if I offended anyone (I'm not trying to, I swear.) I did not mean to say that you can't afford it (I can't afford one... ), it's just that I cannot negotiate a reasonable markup that will make both myself and the pet store guys happy. They make too much money on the standard tanks and equipment at the moment. This makes it unlikely that you would come across one to see it work before you purchase one. That's what I was meaning (I have little experience posting on forums...). We have had LOUSY luck in pet stores. Businesses and the like are our focus at the moment, because they are easy to approach. There's not a 'no call list' for them, and I can stop buy to talk during business hours. I know many people CAN afford it, for sure. It's just that I haven't found a good way to get to those people. We can't afford much (any, really) advertising. I've been selling them mostly to people I know. We are small fries still, is what I'm trying to get at. If you are reading this, then you know about it, and if you want one I'd be happy to sell you one. They are $599.99 at this time. I don't recommend an extra pump unless you have a very cold room, or fish that enjoy very steamy water (29.99 extra. Danner Pondmaster 140GPH magdrive). They come with one 13W (comp.) 50/50 bulb. Any other specifics you'd like to hear about, just ask. I'll run through the entire setup with you. We are testing invert only tanks, but I'd rather not recommend them at this time, as we don't know how they will do in a longer timespan. Results so far are positive, but we'll have to see. ______________ Also about the software idea... I like it. I don't intend to make money off of information we gather, so we can all benefit. Any other ideas are greatly appreciated. Now is the time for suggestions while it is still relatively simple to change the design and the information. PS Sorry again about the stocking issue.

08-04-2005, 03:51 PM	#26
ImagineAquatics Fishy Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Age: 29 Posts: 27	Graphic. hehe About the graphic design, well, I'm fired! I'm pretty decent at programing, bad at making catchy websites. I single handedly do pretty much everything around here. It's tough. I try to do it all the right way, but I'm strapped for time and cash (I don't have any employees to fire. All volunteer and family). Go figure No harm no foul!

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08-04-2005, 02:50 PM	#25
ImagineAquatics Fishy Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Age: 29 Posts: 27	Oh, about the capacity. The 7.5 gallon is 'tank volume'. 6 gallons is the average water we actually put into a tank. If it's completely full, the overflow doesn't work effectively. Is this not the way capacity is rated???? If not, then I have another problem to fix.

08-04-2005, 04:26 PM	#27
flynngriff Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA Age: 35 Posts: 443	So far, it seems like you're on the right track... What you need to do now is learn more about the hobby, which is what it seems you're trying to do. As for your design, I think it's a good idea. It sounds like you have good filtration and aeration, which are the key factors. In addition to those two, all you really need is a bucket of water... The best thing to do now is research. Look at sites like fishbase.org and learn about the many, many different kinds of fish out there, so you can recommend stock that will be healthy in a tank like yours. It sounds like you understand about the mechanics of fishkeeping. Now you have to learn about the fish themselves and the theories behind it all. Honestly, what I'd really recommend is going out and getting some fish tanks of your own... Learn to keep fish healthy in standard aquariums, and then work on the fancy stuff. By the way, kudos for keeping a good attitude in the face of what some people might think are some pretty insulting responses. -Flynn

08-04-2005, 04:44 PM	#28
euRasian32 Why So Serious? Join Date: May 2005 Location: Virginia Age: 33 Posts: 772	I'm guilty of some of those insulting responses. "Lord I apologize for that, and bless the starving pygmies in New Guinea." __________________ “Corporations pay people just enough money so they won’t quit. People work just enough so they don’t get fired. What's that about?” – Christopher Walken, Pool Hall Junkies

08-04-2005, 04:59 PM	#29
ImagineAquatics Fishy Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Age: 29 Posts: 27	NP there euRasian! I've sent a flame or two in my day

08-04-2005, 05:00 PM	#30
flynngriff Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA Age: 35 Posts: 443	I wasn't trying to point any fingers, but I'm not going to argue with you... -Flynn

08-04-2005, 11:09 PM	#31
euRasian32 Why So Serious? Join Date: May 2005 Location: Virginia Age: 33 Posts: 772	I'd be the first to admit I was wrong, and I've sort of talked it out with Brad through PM, no hard feelings. He seems genuine on doing things right. I truly hope I don't distort the friendly image of the forum, so mods feel free to omit my previous post. Brad: a suggestion; not something that's innovative and new, but with the same or similiar dimensions of the wall-mount tank, you could easily design a refugium. __________________ “Corporations pay people just enough money so they won’t quit. People work just enough so they don’t get fired. What's that about?” – Christopher Walken, Pool Hall Junkies Last edited by euRasian32; 08-04-2005 at 11:11 PM.

08-05-2005, 02:48 AM	#32
ImagineAquatics Fishy Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Age: 29 Posts: 27	Suggestion noted There are actually plans on the works. I can't discuss any of my 'future' filteration designs (patent stuff ), but it will provide the same function. We would like somthing without an impeller to chop up all of the goodies in an invert tank.

08-10-2005, 04:27 PM	#33
euRasian32 Why So Serious? Join Date: May 2005 Location: Virginia Age: 33 Posts: 772	Brad: Saw some competition out there. No filter and a lot less holding capacity. ************ are aerating balls? sick minds need not respond... http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Wall-Mounted...QQcmdZViewItem __________________ “Corporations pay people just enough money so they won’t quit. People work just enough so they don’t get fired. What's that about?” – Christopher Walken, Pool Hall Junkies

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