next stage,

leveldrummer · 04-10-2006, 01:07 PM

ok guys, my little tank is comming along, it cycled fine, so i got a few crabs, snails, and a pair of peppermint shrimp, im starting to see alot of green algae starting, (maybe brown, im color blind) buts its real small right now.
i know im expecting a ton of algae, (mp get that macro in the mail!!!) i was just wondering how long i can expect this to happen...

and things are going good if one of my shrimp already molted right? thats a good sign?

**Osiris** · 04-10-2006, 01:17 PM

Shrimp yea, as long as it's a molt and not dead!

Get more LR man, and umm fish! BTW my ratchet can kick ur demon's butt!

leveldrummer · 04-10-2006, 01:21 PM

yea, haha its a molt, definatly, haha, and im working on the rock and fish, gettin prob, 50 more lbs this weekend.

demon?>????!!! are you stupid? its spawn, SPAWN!! ratchet is pretty cool, dont get me wrong, fav game ever, but cmon... you dont really think he cant beat a hell spawn do you??

**Osiris** · 04-10-2006, 01:27 PM

i couldnt remember his name, i seen the movie though, a hell spawner versus intergaltic warrior?! :P

Georgia Peach · 04-10-2006, 01:57 PM

tank sounds like its coming along good! cant wait to see pics!!

leveldrummer · 04-10-2006, 01:58 PM

ill pop some up as soon as i get the rest of the rock, dont want to be embarrased with everyone making fun of my tiny little rock pile, i wanna post something im proud of

**Osiris** · 04-10-2006, 02:07 PM

rofl no comment, gotta keep this a family safe board lmao

leveldrummer · 04-10-2006, 02:24 PM

watch it buddy... watch it. im sure i know just what you were thinking. and i dont too much appreciate it...

**Osiris** · 04-10-2006, 02:45 PM

LOL, what type rocks you doing? figi?tonga?lalo?

Reefneck · 04-10-2006, 02:51 PM

I couldn't post what I am most proud of on here. The pic would be way too big.

leveldrummer · 04-10-2006, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mala

LOL, what type rocks you doing? figi?tonga?lalo?

you know, im not sure, i know its not tonga, but i do want some in there, right now its all regular looking rock, very poorus, kinda bumpy looking, ive never seen lalo, but i think its figi.

leveldrummer · 04-10-2006, 02:55 PM

no one is gonna answer the question? about how long the algae blooms will last? before they start to die out? on average?

Georgia Peach · 04-10-2006, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leveldrummer

no one is gonna answer the question? about how long the algae blooms will last? before they start to die out? on average?

I would but I dont know.. LOL

leveldrummer · 04-10-2006, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reefneck

I couldn't post what I am most proud of on here. The pic would be way too big.

i could post mine, but my camera doesnt have a macro button, so it would be all blurry. lol

**Osiris** · 04-10-2006, 04:48 PM

I never had diatom problems but i had cyano problems for first couple months which is normal, took a couple months for everything to start looking like a reef...........

I think a topic on LR is up, for different kinds out there, i'll try and dig up some more info, im really and always enjoyed the look of Lalo LR.

Reefneck · 04-10-2006, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leveldrummer

i could post mine, but my camera doesnt have a macro button, so it would be all blurry. lol

Awwwww, Your tank is not THAT small now.

**TheOldSalt** · 04-10-2006, 05:20 PM

There is no set "regular" amount of time it takes. There are too many factors involved. Down here the brown stuff can last for several months, while in other areas it might be practically gone before you ever notice it. Excess silicate + phosphate = diatoms, and there's no way of knowing how much you have unless you test for them, and even if you knew it's still anybody's guess. Either one doesn't really tend to fuel diatoms all that much, which is why sometimes some people who use ordinary sand don't have problems, but the combination of the two is pure trouble. new tanks usually have too much of both, to a varying degree, but once either one is used up enough the diatoms crash. How long does it take? There's no telling. You can help speed things up by avoiding use of silica sand and by avoiding overfeeding. Skimming helps, and if you wipe the glass clean, be super-duper careful to remove the brown algae from the tank instead of just knocking back into the water. This will a: keep it from spreading and b: export these excess nutrients. Eventually the good coralline algae & other more desirable organisms will be able to use up all the fuel and the diatoms will vanish.

leveldrummer · 04-10-2006, 09:38 PM

thanks salt, once again you pull through... so. would the addition of macro algae to the system help out-compete the bad algae? (its brown by the way, my gf showed up and helped me out) its not large yet, just showing a film over everything. but i would like to get it out asap.

**TheOldSalt** · 04-11-2006, 05:26 AM

Macro will help by sucking up phosphate, but it won't eat all that much silicate. That's good enough, though. It will also promote good conditions in the tank for the other organisms which will eat up all the excess silicate & phosphate. Don't expect overnight miracle results, but don't be shocked if you get them, either. it could go either way. You don't have a lot of rock yet, which means you don't have much coralline, which means the diatoms don't have much competition.

fishfingers · 04-11-2006, 07:33 AM

Argh diatoms! I had a bunch of trouble with them while setting up my nano. However once I added some C. Taxifolia (sadly we there is no cheato in Aus) to my HOB filter it has almost disapeared. Eventually, once your tank matures and becomes stable, they should go away anyway but this can take a long time and it is unpleasant to be looking a a tank covered in them for months and months. Iim not sure if you have one, but a protein skimmer would also extract nutrients from the water, and in turn reduce the amount of diatoms.

In the end just be patient! They will go away eventually!

04-10-2006, 01:07 PM	#1
leveldrummer something like a pimp Join Date: May 2005 Location: atlanta Age: 29 Posts: 1,933 User Feedback: (1)	next stage, ok guys, my little tank is comming along, it cycled fine, so i got a few crabs, snails, and a pair of peppermint shrimp, im starting to see alot of green algae starting, (maybe brown, im color blind) buts its real small right now. i know im expecting a ton of algae, (mp get that macro in the mail!!!) i was just wondering how long i can expect this to happen... and things are going good if one of my shrimp already molted right? thats a good sign? __________________ The meek shall inherit the Earth. Big deal. By the time they get it the rest of us will have messed it all up.

04-10-2006, 01:17 PM	#2
Osiris Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Wisconsin Age: 24 Posts: 3,632 User Feedback: (12)	Shrimp yea, as long as it's a molt and not dead! Get more LR man, and umm fish! BTW my ratchet can kick ur demon's butt! __________________ Reality is for people who can't handle Science-Fiction

04-10-2006, 01:21 PM	#3
leveldrummer something like a pimp Join Date: May 2005 Location: atlanta Age: 29 Posts: 1,933 User Feedback: (1)	yea, haha its a molt, definatly, haha, and im working on the rock and fish, gettin prob, 50 more lbs this weekend. demon?>????!!! are you stupid? its spawn, SPAWN!! ratchet is pretty cool, dont get me wrong, fav game ever, but cmon... you dont really think he cant beat a hell spawn do you?? __________________ The meek shall inherit the Earth. Big deal. By the time they get it the rest of us will have messed it all up.

04-10-2006, 01:27 PM	#4
Osiris Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Wisconsin Age: 24 Posts: 3,632 User Feedback: (12)	i couldnt remember his name, i seen the movie though, a hell spawner versus intergaltic warrior?! :P __________________ Reality is for people who can't handle Science-Fiction

04-10-2006, 01:57 PM	#5
Georgia Peach Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Gray, Georgia Age: 41 Posts: 1,581 User Feedback: (2)	tank sounds like its coming along good! cant wait to see pics!! __________________ *Cichlids have more personality than most people I know !*

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04-10-2006, 01:58 PM	#6
leveldrummer something like a pimp Join Date: May 2005 Location: atlanta Age: 29 Posts: 1,933 User Feedback: (1)	ill pop some up as soon as i get the rest of the rock, dont want to be embarrased with everyone making fun of my tiny little rock pile, i wanna post something im proud of __________________ The meek shall inherit the Earth. Big deal. By the time they get it the rest of us will have messed it all up.

04-10-2006, 02:07 PM	#7
Osiris Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Wisconsin Age: 24 Posts: 3,632 User Feedback: (12)	rofl no comment, gotta keep this a family safe board lmao __________________ Reality is for people who can't handle Science-Fiction

04-10-2006, 02:24 PM	#8
leveldrummer something like a pimp Join Date: May 2005 Location: atlanta Age: 29 Posts: 1,933 User Feedback: (1)	watch it buddy... watch it. im sure i know just what you were thinking. and i dont too much appreciate it... __________________ The meek shall inherit the Earth. Big deal. By the time they get it the rest of us will have messed it all up.

04-10-2006, 02:45 PM	#9
Osiris Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Wisconsin Age: 24 Posts: 3,632 User Feedback: (12)	LOL, what type rocks you doing? figi?tonga?lalo? __________________ Reality is for people who can't handle Science-Fiction

04-10-2006, 02:51 PM	#10
Reefneck Senior Aquarist Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Near a Coral Reef Age: 46 Posts: 1,351 User Feedback: (0)	I couldn't post what I am most proud of on here. The pic would be way too big. __________________ I wonder how much salt mix I would need to turn our in ground pool into a Reef.

04-10-2006, 02:55 PM	#12
leveldrummer something like a pimp Join Date: May 2005 Location: atlanta Age: 29 Posts: 1,933 User Feedback: (1)	no one is gonna answer the question? about how long the algae blooms will last? before they start to die out? on average? __________________ The meek shall inherit the Earth. Big deal. By the time they get it the rest of us will have messed it all up.

04-10-2006, 04:48 PM	#15
Osiris Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Wisconsin Age: 24 Posts: 3,632 User Feedback: (12)	I never had diatom problems but i had cyano problems for first couple months which is normal, took a couple months for everything to start looking like a reef........... I think a topic on LR is up, for different kinds out there, i'll try and dig up some more info, im really and always enjoyed the look of Lalo LR. __________________ Reality is for people who can't handle Science-Fiction

04-10-2006, 05:20 PM	#17
TheOldSalt Darth Ichthyos Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,008 User Feedback: (5)	There is no set "regular" amount of time it takes. There are too many factors involved. Down here the brown stuff can last for several months, while in other areas it might be practically gone before you ever notice it. Excess silicate + phosphate = diatoms, and there's no way of knowing how much you have unless you test for them, and even if you knew it's still anybody's guess. Either one doesn't really tend to fuel diatoms all that much, which is why sometimes some people who use ordinary sand don't have problems, but the combination of the two is pure trouble. new tanks usually have too much of both, to a varying degree, but once either one is used up enough the diatoms crash. How long does it take? There's no telling. You can help speed things up by avoiding use of silica sand and by avoiding overfeeding. Skimming helps, and if you wipe the glass clean, be super-duper careful to remove the brown algae from the tank instead of just knocking back into the water. This will a: keep it from spreading and b: export these excess nutrients. Eventually the good coralline algae & other more desirable organisms will be able to use up all the fuel and the diatoms will vanish.

04-10-2006, 09:38 PM	#18
leveldrummer something like a pimp Join Date: May 2005 Location: atlanta Age: 29 Posts: 1,933 User Feedback: (1)	thanks salt, once again you pull through... so. would the addition of macro algae to the system help out-compete the bad algae? (its brown by the way, my gf showed up and helped me out) its not large yet, just showing a film over everything. but i would like to get it out asap. __________________ The meek shall inherit the Earth. Big deal. By the time they get it the rest of us will have messed it all up.

04-11-2006, 05:26 AM	#19
TheOldSalt Darth Ichthyos Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,008 User Feedback: (5)	Macro will help by sucking up phosphate, but it won't eat all that much silicate. That's good enough, though. It will also promote good conditions in the tank for the other organisms which will eat up all the excess silicate & phosphate. Don't expect overnight miracle results, but don't be shocked if you get them, either. it could go either way. You don't have a lot of rock yet, which means you don't have much coralline, which means the diatoms don't have much competition.

04-11-2006, 07:33 AM	#20
fishfingers Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Australia Age: 18 Posts: 129 User Feedback: (0)	Argh diatoms! I had a bunch of trouble with them while setting up my nano. However once I added some C. Taxifolia (sadly we there is no cheato in Aus) to my HOB filter it has almost disapeared. Eventually, once your tank matures and becomes stable, they should go away anyway but this can take a long time and it is unpleasant to be looking a a tank covered in them for months and months. Iim not sure if you have one, but a protein skimmer would also extract nutrients from the water, and in turn reduce the amount of diatoms. In the end just be patient! They will go away eventually!

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