Ownagers 10 gal

Ownager2004 · 05-22-2005, 12:10 PM

Well i recently sold off the 6 platys i had and kept their babies. I picked up 3 black neon tetras and a male and female kribensis. The platy babies were meant as food for the Kribs. But so far have managed to survive with minimal nipping. Im actually hoping they'll get eaten... hehe.. I cant afford their bioload if they grow up.

I also have 2 Otos in the 10 gallon. Im think im going to get another 10 gallon soon so that i can have a grow out tank for krib babies. They laid eggs around 4-5 days after getting them, lol. I was actually hoping they'd wait awhile. As they appeared to still be juveniles when i purchased them. So far the krib "aggression when in a 10 gal" has proven to be a myth here. Ive seen my tetras closer to the eggs than the kribs with little or no aggression. Ill keep you guys posted about the success of these eggs. So far they appear to be a good color.

One surprising thing about the kribs is that i provided a small cave and a big cave because they are supposed to be cave only breeders. The area they chose to lay the eggs though is against the outside of the big cave. However, this area is kind of "cave-y" with plants all around the area the eggs are in and the rock wall where the eggs actually are.

The Black neon tetras are so far not impressive. I made the mistake of not thinking about coloration when getting them. They are colored kind of like my kribs with black and yellowish horizontal stripes, but so far this only seems to make the tetras think the kribs are part of their school. With the kribs not usually minding, even with the eggs around. The problem i have is that the tetras spend ALL of their time near the gravel, usually just idling. All of my fish are similiary colored but very different. Im actually surprised that i did this by accident. It makes a cool looking tank. But i dont think this will last long as the kribs should get a lot more color when they are full grown.

Also got a mystery snail for my 1 gallon platy fry tank. I took the platy fry out and put them in the 10 gallon. So the 1" diameter mystery snail has the tank to himself.

Ownager2004 · 05-22-2005, 06:18 PM

Felt like working on the tank today. So i added high surface area fake plants to the HOB filter to hopefully increase its biofiltration. I also put my now obsolete(Otos..) algae scrubber in front of HOB outflow to hopefully increase biofiltration.

Took the biggest sunburst platy fry out of tank and put with mystery snail. Didn't want to kill him. Caught 3 1 week old platy fry and nearly killed them so that my kribs could catch em. The kribs colored up and seemed to have enjoyed their live meal. Hopefully feeding them fry doesn't make the turn on their fry though

Now to root out the rest of those stupid platy fry before they get to big to feed to kribs and to small to take to LFS.

Ownager2004 · 05-23-2005, 04:49 PM

The eggs hatched. Wigglers in the gravel... lol
I haven't gotten a good look at one yet, but from what ive seenthey look like eggs with tails, lol

***warning*** cruel fish treatment below ***

On a sadder note 2 tetras appeared to have come down with ich... the biggest tetra had 2 spots and my smallest had 1 spot, but i dont want to take any chances with my kribs and their babies... So I put em down. Hopefully i prevented an outbreak... Also added a very small amount of salt with a slightly warm water change in hopes of prevent an outbreak. I know putting fish down because they are sick when i could treat them is cruel... and its my fault for not having a quarantine tank, not theirs... but I really didn't have a choice seeing as how the kribs are more expensive and im more attached to them. I considered treating them in my 1 gallon tank, but that would most likely mean that my snail would end up dead in either tank and the odds of overdosing/ammonia poising were to risky. And i like my snail as much or more than my kribs

Also i didn't really want to treat my tank with fry and my otos in it. That would have been a lot of stress on them and probably would have ended up killing off half my tank..
Anyways I know the store wouldn't take ich infested fish and i had nowhere to put them... I really had few choices i could have made.. Ill keep an eye on the others

Ill keep you posted on the fry/ich developments..

Ownager2004 · 05-23-2005, 10:42 PM

The Krib parents have moved the location of their wigglers. They are on the other side of the cave they were using and they spit the fry onto ledges on the side of it. However, they only seem to have moved 7-8 of them... Im geussing the rest are lost in the gravel for the time being. O well, ill be more than happy if they raise 7-8 of them.

Edit: Oh yeah I plan on getting some other type of substrate for the krib tank so that they dont lose track of fry inbetween gravel anymore. Haven't researched it yet, but I think what im going to do is buy a new tank, use black sand over flourite and move my current HOB to it. Then with the old tank im just gonna bare bottom it and raise older fry in it.

I did a heavy gravel vac( not near the wigglers, lol ) and cleaned my filter in hopes of avoiding ich. So far everyone seems healthy and clean. In the next few days im hoping all remains the same

Ownager2004 · 05-24-2005, 09:05 AM

my male krib has developed a spot of ich on his tail. I added more salt to the tank. Not very much as the otos aren't supposed to like it at all. I read somewhere that 1ppt of salt can cause ich to burst in one of its life stages. So hopefully im above that by now. I wont be adding any more salt. Im trying to avoid using any chemicals to treat it, but if i see 1-2 more spots pop up i think i will have to.

Overnight the kribs seem to have lost track of the wigglers and now they aren't caring for or protecting any babies.

Well i think ive learned my lesson on quarantine and substrate choices. Lets hope nothing else goes wrong.. lol

Ownager2004 · 05-24-2005, 09:28 PM

AHHHH! I got a glass of water today and noticed it was brown... When i sold my platys I did a good cleaning and somewhere around a 40-50% W/C. I think this brown water may have been one of the reasons why ich developed on these fish. Although the otos seem as healthy as ever and i would have thought they would be more sensitive than the tetras to water impurities. Maybe im just looking for excuses

Fry update... Nowhere to be seen, hopefully some will survive to be free swimmers.. Parents not protecting anything or any location.. I think they've thrown in the towel for the time being.

Ich update... The spot on the male krib is gone. No new spots. Im pleased for now.

Ownager2004 · 05-26-2005, 03:47 PM

Well the ich is still gone and so are the fry.

Ive started supplementing my snail's water with calcium carbonate(read TUMS, lol) and his shell growth has really taken off. I have a small platy fry in there as a "parrot" to tell me if im overdosing, but so far its going great. Lots of shell growth and the snail seems a lot more active on top of that. In fact he just plowed through the TUMS powder and came out doing his best Tony Montana impression, lol. He's a character.

Ownager2004 · 06-01-2005, 02:57 PM

No ich, and I can safely say that the fry are gone.. i think..

Current tanks..

10g
1 pair of kribs
2 Otos(im thinking one male and one female, but im no expert...)

1g
1 mystery snail
1 sunburst platy fry

Kribs are doing awesome... I was a little worried about the male getting aggressive towards the female since the spawn went south so fast. But so far I have seen no aggression between the two at all and hoping it stays that way. The Otos are doing great. Way better than my expectations after reading all the horror stories on the internet about them. I think they are going to be around for the long haul.

The snail is growing extremely fast. Im going to have to upgrade his tank soon if he keeps it up. He also eats a ton, basically as much as I am willing to put in there. Right now i feed him as much as I feed my pair of kribs. Ive started to do ~80% water changes for him everyday, which really isn't that big of a hassle seeing as how its a 1 gallon tank.

blcknwitecuban · 06-05-2006, 10:20 PM

the krib probably abbandoned theyre fry because its there first batch. no big deal. POAT SOMETHING!!! i enjoyed this thread

Ownager2004 · 06-05-2006, 10:46 PM

Well this is a really old thread from back when i was still a noob id say, but i suppose ill let you know what happened with all this.

The kribs ended up killing the otos during one of their spawns. I actually saw my male krib kill one of them. He nailed it when it was against the glass and the oto swam spirals until it died

I kept the kribs until winter break of that year(thanksgiving through new years). They had raised a lot of fry, but they kept getting sucked into the filter and dieing and nothing I did seemed to help. Never actually raised a single one to juvenile/adult stage...

Over that winter break, which lasted about 6 weeks. I went back to my parents home and one of my roommates said he was going to be around the house for most of the break. He volunteered to take care of my tank and said he knew how to do it. Oh boy did he take care of it. Everything in the tank was dead and there was algae everywhere when i got back.

The tank is now a planted FW with 6 neon tetras.

05-22-2005, 12:10 PM	#1
Ownager2004 L33t n00b Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Athens, Ohio Age: 25 Posts: 466	Ownagers 10 gal Well i recently sold off the 6 platys i had and kept their babies. I picked up 3 black neon tetras and a male and female kribensis. The platy babies were meant as food for the Kribs. But so far have managed to survive with minimal nipping. Im actually hoping they'll get eaten... hehe.. I cant afford their bioload if they grow up. I also have 2 Otos in the 10 gallon. Im think im going to get another 10 gallon soon so that i can have a grow out tank for krib babies. They laid eggs around 4-5 days after getting them, lol. I was actually hoping they'd wait awhile. As they appeared to still be juveniles when i purchased them. So far the krib "aggression when in a 10 gal" has proven to be a myth here. Ive seen my tetras closer to the eggs than the kribs with little or no aggression. Ill keep you guys posted about the success of these eggs. So far they appear to be a good color. One surprising thing about the kribs is that i provided a small cave and a big cave because they are supposed to be cave only breeders. The area they chose to lay the eggs though is against the outside of the big cave. However, this area is kind of "cave-y" with plants all around the area the eggs are in and the rock wall where the eggs actually are. The Black neon tetras are so far not impressive. I made the mistake of not thinking about coloration when getting them. They are colored kind of like my kribs with black and yellowish horizontal stripes, but so far this only seems to make the tetras think the kribs are part of their school. With the kribs not usually minding, even with the eggs around. The problem i have is that the tetras spend ALL of their time near the gravel, usually just idling. All of my fish are similiary colored but very different. Im actually surprised that i did this by accident. It makes a cool looking tank. But i dont think this will last long as the kribs should get a lot more color when they are full grown. Also got a mystery snail for my 1 gallon platy fry tank. I took the platy fry out and put them in the 10 gallon. So the 1" diameter mystery snail has the tank to himself.

05-23-2005, 10:42 PM	#4
Ownager2004 L33t n00b Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Athens, Ohio Age: 25 Posts: 466	The Krib parents have moved the location of their wigglers. They are on the other side of the cave they were using and they spit the fry onto ledges on the side of it. However, they only seem to have moved 7-8 of them... Im geussing the rest are lost in the gravel for the time being. O well, ill be more than happy if they raise 7-8 of them. Edit: Oh yeah I plan on getting some other type of substrate for the krib tank so that they dont lose track of fry inbetween gravel anymore. Haven't researched it yet, but I think what im going to do is buy a new tank, use black sand over flourite and move my current HOB to it. Then with the old tank im just gonna bare bottom it and raise older fry in it. I did a heavy gravel vac( not near the wigglers, lol ) and cleaned my filter in hopes of avoiding ich. So far everyone seems healthy and clean. In the next few days im hoping all remains the same Last edited by Ownager2004; 05-23-2005 at 10:46 PM.

06-05-2006, 10:20 PM	#9
blcknwitecuban SuperCowMonkeyShiner Join Date: Apr 2006 Age: 17 Posts: 472	the krib probably abbandoned theyre fry because its there first batch. no big deal. POAT SOMETHING!!! i enjoyed this thread __________________ Yeah there are many fish in the sea.. but i think i'll stick to the lakes and rivers for now.

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05-22-2005, 06:18 PM	#2
Ownager2004 L33t n00b Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Athens, Ohio Age: 25 Posts: 466	Felt like working on the tank today. So i added high surface area fake plants to the HOB filter to hopefully increase its biofiltration. I also put my now obsolete(Otos..) algae scrubber in front of HOB outflow to hopefully increase biofiltration. Took the biggest sunburst platy fry out of tank and put with mystery snail. Didn't want to kill him. Caught 3 1 week old platy fry and nearly killed them so that my kribs could catch em. The kribs colored up and seemed to have enjoyed their live meal. Hopefully feeding them fry doesn't make the turn on their fry though Now to root out the rest of those stupid platy fry before they get to big to feed to kribs and to small to take to LFS.

05-23-2005, 04:49 PM	#3
Ownager2004 L33t n00b Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Athens, Ohio Age: 25 Posts: 466	The eggs hatched. Wigglers in the gravel... lol I haven't gotten a good look at one yet, but from what ive seenthey look like eggs with tails, lol *warning* cruel fish treatment below *** On a sadder note 2 tetras appeared to have come down with ich... the biggest tetra had 2 spots and my smallest had 1 spot, but i dont want to take any chances with my kribs and their babies... So I put em down. Hopefully i prevented an outbreak... Also added a very small amount of salt with a slightly warm water change in hopes of prevent an outbreak. I know putting fish down because they are sick when i could treat them is cruel... and its my fault for not having a quarantine tank, not theirs... but I really didn't have a choice seeing as how the kribs are more expensive and im more attached to them. I considered treating them in my 1 gallon tank, but that would most likely mean that my snail would end up dead in either tank and the odds of overdosing/ammonia poising were to risky. And i like my snail as much or more than my kribs Also i didn't really want to treat my tank with fry and my otos in it. That would have been a lot of stress on them and probably would have ended up killing off half my tank.. Anyways I know the store wouldn't take ich infested fish and i had nowhere to put them... I really had few choices i could have made.. Ill keep an eye on the others Ill keep you posted on the fry/ich developments..

05-24-2005, 09:05 AM	#5
Ownager2004 L33t n00b Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Athens, Ohio Age: 25 Posts: 466	my male krib has developed a spot of ich on his tail. I added more salt to the tank. Not very much as the otos aren't supposed to like it at all. I read somewhere that 1ppt of salt can cause ich to burst in one of its life stages. So hopefully im above that by now. I wont be adding any more salt. Im trying to avoid using any chemicals to treat it, but if i see 1-2 more spots pop up i think i will have to. Overnight the kribs seem to have lost track of the wigglers and now they aren't caring for or protecting any babies. Well i think ive learned my lesson on quarantine and substrate choices. Lets hope nothing else goes wrong.. lol

05-24-2005, 09:28 PM	#6
Ownager2004 L33t n00b Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Athens, Ohio Age: 25 Posts: 466	AHHHH! I got a glass of water today and noticed it was brown... When i sold my platys I did a good cleaning and somewhere around a 40-50% W/C. I think this brown water may have been one of the reasons why ich developed on these fish. Although the otos seem as healthy as ever and i would have thought they would be more sensitive than the tetras to water impurities. Maybe im just looking for excuses Fry update... Nowhere to be seen, hopefully some will survive to be free swimmers.. Parents not protecting anything or any location.. I think they've thrown in the towel for the time being. Ich update... The spot on the male krib is gone. No new spots. Im pleased for now.

05-26-2005, 03:47 PM	#7
Ownager2004 L33t n00b Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Athens, Ohio Age: 25 Posts: 466	Well the ich is still gone and so are the fry. Ive started supplementing my snail's water with calcium carbonate(read TUMS, lol) and his shell growth has really taken off. I have a small platy fry in there as a "parrot" to tell me if im overdosing, but so far its going great. Lots of shell growth and the snail seems a lot more active on top of that. In fact he just plowed through the TUMS powder and came out doing his best Tony Montana impression, lol. He's a character.

06-01-2005, 02:57 PM	#8
Ownager2004 L33t n00b Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Athens, Ohio Age: 25 Posts: 466	No ich, and I can safely say that the fry are gone.. i think.. Current tanks.. 10g 1 pair of kribs 2 Otos(im thinking one male and one female, but im no expert...) 1g 1 mystery snail 1 sunburst platy fry Kribs are doing awesome... I was a little worried about the male getting aggressive towards the female since the spawn went south so fast. But so far I have seen no aggression between the two at all and hoping it stays that way. The Otos are doing great. Way better than my expectations after reading all the horror stories on the internet about them. I think they are going to be around for the long haul. The snail is growing extremely fast. Im going to have to upgrade his tank soon if he keeps it up. He also eats a ton, basically as much as I am willing to put in there. Right now i feed him as much as I feed my pair of kribs. Ive started to do ~80% water changes for him everyday, which really isn't that big of a hassle seeing as how its a 1 gallon tank.

06-05-2006, 10:46 PM	#10
Ownager2004 L33t n00b Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Athens, Ohio Age: 25 Posts: 466	Well this is a really old thread from back when i was still a noob id say, but i suppose ill let you know what happened with all this. The kribs ended up killing the otos during one of their spawns. I actually saw my male krib kill one of them. He nailed it when it was against the glass and the oto swam spirals until it died I kept the kribs until winter break of that year(thanksgiving through new years). They had raised a lot of fry, but they kept getting sucked into the filter and dieing and nothing I did seemed to help. Never actually raised a single one to juvenile/adult stage... Over that winter break, which lasted about 6 weeks. I went back to my parents home and one of my roommates said he was going to be around the house for most of the break. He volunteered to take care of my tank and said he knew how to do it. Oh boy did he take care of it. Everything in the tank was dead and there was algae everywhere when i got back. The tank is now a planted FW with 6 neon tetras.

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