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[fish_doc]

The request has been made by several mods to ban him already. He will be gone soon.

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i actually see people doing autocross with mazda 6 and they are not doing bad. i actually is a fan of mazda too, but just not mazda 6... got to love those rotary rockets



they should make cars like rx-7.... that was a master piece by mazda.... too bad they don't have them for sale in US and a few years ago they replace them with rx-8.... they should at least make a 2 seater rx8 that has only 2 doors...

[CaysE]

The RX-7 niche has been bugging Mazda for a while now to come out with a new one. Miscellaneous concept drawings and photoshops popped up about an RX7 being developed 3 or 4 years ago but nothing since.

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what i heard is they don't have enough money to develop the 2 seater version, that's why we have the 4 seater coupe rx8 instead of a FE and a 4 seater(i just guess since there is FB, FC and FD)

[mrmoby]

[quote=Damon]Speaking as someone who builds cars for a living...



Who do you work for?

[CaysE]

Geez Girth, what on earth possessed you to quote that whole thing??

[Osiris]

He's canadian

[craftyflalady]

Sorry girth, your post had to go too! Nothing personal!

Kathy

[HybridS130]

Originally Posted by vinimack720

yea, most mazda's are just as bad as fords now. the only cars they make that are half way decent are the RX-7(old) and the RX-8

Im going to have to disagree with you on that one, rotary engines in general are a joke in the automotive community. Even a lot of the die hard rotards out there lose faith after awhile simply because they fail after a certain amount of road time and it doesn't seem that it matters how you drive it.

I see piston and rotary engines like light bulbs. Piston engines are like an incandescent light, if you treat it good and don't beat the hell out of it all the time it can last a very long time. Rotary engines are like florescent bulbs on the other hand, doesn't matter if you treat it good or beat the hell out of it because once it's time of operation is up it's going out with a bang.

"What do suicidal terrorists and rotary fans have in common? Eventually they'll both have to accept the fact that they're going to blow up sooner or later"

Mazda's new cars are great IMO, I've driven just about all of them and I have to say that the 2.3 mazda 3 is a perky little car and their build quality is definitely far better than fords.

(someone else mentioned VWs) VWs are good cars too and the overall quality of these cars is amazing especially the interior but, don't think that by buying german you're avoiding failure, those cars fail too and sometimes more often than our own but, be warned that when they do fail the cost will be significantly more than a domestic vehicle.

[HybridS130]

The real reason mazda has a four seater four door sports coupe instead of a traditional sports car is because of ford. Mazda wanted to bring back the RX7 especially since the Z is back, S2000 is out, the EVO, The Subies, and now with talk of a new supra, skyline coming to america, and several other cars. Basically ford says this "look, you can't build something that is going to interfere with the sales of our mustang so you can't have a sports car" so what mazda does is go out and build exactly what we have today, the RX8.

They were also using the RX8 as a test subject, they wanted to know that if they were to bring back the RX7, would it sell? As anyone can tell you the RX8 is not doing so well compared to other import sports cars. Particularly the 350Z and the EVO are taking over the market.

Im sorry but, rotaries just have a piss poor reputation in the automotive world. They're capable of high horsepower, yes, they're more reliable in high stress race conditions, yes, they have what? 3 moving parts making them simpler, yes but, keep this in mind. When the japanese bought the rights to the rotary engine from german engineer felix wankel, it was not complete. He had not perfected the design nor did he fix the flaws. The biggest of all is of course the Apex seals. So for everyday street driving the engine just doesn't hold up so well. Ask any TRUE rotary enthusiast and see how many engines their car has had. I know several that have gone through eight rotaries in the life of the car and this one guy in particular is without a doubt one of the leading RX7 gurus in the US.

Of course this goes without saying but, a NA rotary will last a whole lot longer than a boosted rotary but, still mazda has a lot of work to do before the engine should even touch a production car. A good friend of mine is a tech at mazda and a rotary specialist, he owns a FD and has had several FCs in the past but, even he says it's rediculous how many recalls are on the RX8. In fact just to shut it down properly you have to either let it idle down for five minutes or rev it to 5k rpm and promptly turn the car off just to keep the engine from flooding.

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Originally Posted by HybridS130

The real reason mazda has a four seater four door sports coupe instead of a traditional sports car is because of ford. Mazda wanted to bring back the RX7 especially since the Z is back, S2000 is out, the EVO, The Subies, and now with talk of a new supra, skyline coming to america, and several other cars. Basically ford says this "look, you can't build something that is going to interfere with the sales of our mustang so you can't have a sports car" so what mazda does is go out and build exactly what we have today, the RX8.

They were also using the RX8 as a test subject, they wanted to know that if they were to bring back the RX7, would it sell? As anyone can tell you the RX8 is not doing so well compared to other import sports cars. Particularly the 350Z and the EVO are taking over the market.

Im sorry but, rotaries just have a piss poor reputation in the automotive world. They're capable of high horsepower, yes, they're more reliable in high stress race conditions, yes, they have what? 3 moving parts making them simpler, yes but, keep this in mind. When the japanese bought the rights to the rotary engine from german engineer felix wankel, it was not complete. He had not perfected the design nor did he fix the flaws. The biggest of all is of course the Apex seals. So for everyday street driving the engine just doesn't hold up so well. Ask any TRUE rotary enthusiast and see how many engines their car has had. I know several that have gone through eight rotaries in the life of the car and this one guy in particular is without a doubt one of the leading RX7 gurus in the US.

Of course this goes without saying but, a NA rotary will last a whole lot longer than a boosted rotary but, still mazda has a lot of work to do before the engine should even touch a production car. A good friend of mine is a tech at mazda and a rotary specialist, he owns a FD and has had several FCs in the past but, even he says it's rediculous how many recalls are on the RX8. In fact just to shut it down properly you have to either let it idle down for five minutes or rev it to 5k rpm and promptly turn the car off just to keep the engine from flooding.

i never heard this version before... rx-7 and mustang is totally different thing... rx-7 is a lightweight sport car and mustang is a muscle car... it is different so ford shouldn't do it if it is true. the rotary is not that reliable because only mazda alone develope it. there are others make rotary but mazda is the only one that stick with it all along. there is a lot of issue with rotary engine does not solve but you have to keep in mind that piston engine make more often so people have more experience with it then rotary. just think about how many rotary car out there vs the piston car out there and you will see what i mean. i have to disagree about the part about no matter what you do the engine is going to blow. yes, it is not that realiable, but if you put a bad aftermarket turbo and don't care about it, that engine is going down faster than it should be. rotary engine is not that realiable and this is a fact, but what i mean by good car is the handling ability.

plus don't forget that honda is going to have a new nsx coming out... v-10 again... so i don't think mazda will be be left without a real sport car(rotary or not) except ford start to mess with it again... the rx-7 is not a bad car performance wise. i like rx-7 because of their handling. there is a lot of catch up work to do with rotary engine, but hey, if you stop making them, it is not going to getting better. that's exactly the reason why rotary is left behind so many years, no body care about it except mazda.

[HybridS130]

Doesn't matter how you classify the mustang and RX8, the fact of the matter is that ford said no to mazda putting another RX7 in production. So until Mazda gets out of bed with Ford you won't see any TRUE sports cars coming from them.

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Originally Posted by HybridS130

Doesn't matter how you classify the mustang and RX8, the fact of the matter is that ford said no to mazda putting another RX7 in production. So until Mazda gets out of bed with Ford you won't see any TRUE sports cars coming from them.

that's pretty much what i said... notice i said if ford don't mess with mazda... but anyway, i am surprise that people talk about mazda and didn't mention mx-5 yet. the mx-5 survive i think because ford want it to fight with GM's car like saturn sky(or whatever names they badge)

[HybridS130]

Yeah, ford doesn't have a rwd compact car to compete so Im sure the need the miata but, honestly I think mazda would say "FU" to ford if they were told to cut it from the line. It may be considered a gay car but, bone STOCK any miata will destory cars with twice the hp in autox.

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yeah, mx5 is a amazing little car. i would go destroy ford if they plan to destroy miata... those thing just amazing. the corning speed of them is really great. myself drive a corolla(yes, automatic and fwd.... parents car though. fwd is not that bad.. but i just don't like it because it is no fun to drive) and i know a guy have one and he just showing the handling ability of a stock miata and i try to see the different between our car. i just go in the turn with half the speed and i already got understeer while the miata make autocross look easy. that's why i like autocross. hp doesn't matter much. all it matter is the driver, and the car's handling ability.

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[Osiris]

o hell no this mo fo did not just post in my thread

[Christine]

Originally Posted by Osiris

pontiacs for their electrical problems,

Ugh, I experienced that one first hand... I had no idea they were known for that tho! I had a grand prix that all the dash stuff used to fritz out on me. One day it started pouring smoke inside the car. I drove it to the pontiac dealership who "found nothing wrong with it" LOL! Needless to say it was promptly traded in.

[Osiris]

yea they suck we just had to order a new radio system cuz the lcd began going out and before that just out of the blue it would reset. Been looking at BMW's and Lexux SUV's lately may have to change it up from this car!

[vinimack720]

Originally Posted by Osiris

yea they suck we just had to order a new radio system cuz the lcd began going out and before that just out of the blue it would reset. Been looking at BMW's and Lexux SUV's lately may have to change it up from this car!

go lexus, BMWs are nice cars but they cant compair to lexux's/toyotas quality. I might even go out on a limb and say that toyotas are the best quality cars you can buy...with nissan and honda close behind...