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[shev]

i also don't understand how evolution starts. ok, life was created from the "muck" but where did the "Muck" come from? where did the rocks that the "muck" sat upon come from? where did the earth and the universe come from? i don't care how old you think the universe is, it had to have "started" somewhere and somehow. it hasn't just always been here. if you go far enough back, all the molecules and atoms in the universe didn't just "Appear" one day. they were created by someone, or something.

theres the big bang theory trying to explain that one.

what about god then? did he just appear one day, or has always been there. If time exists then everything has to have a beginning. If god always is and always has been it goes against the laws of time.


from the old thread:

it went: abiotic stew (lifelss pool) ---->simple organic molecules ----->rna---->replicated into protein----> i dont remember. today complex living molecules dont randomly form because oxygen is very reactive and would destroy any organic molecules. but when the earth formed it didnt have oxygen in the atmosphere, and if they did form anyway, bacteria would eat them. but there have been experiments having hydrogen, ammonia, and methane (the atmosphere at the time) and sparked it like lightning. amino acids were made, which are building blocks for protein. I think whoever first did the experiment won a nobel prize or something.

[Celeste]

i have seen proof at least of the dinosaurs. i can't remember where i got the 8-10 thousand years thing, i'm not totally set in stone on that one, but i DON'T believe that the earth is 500 gazillion years old like everyone else seems to. i think the earth is a lot younger than is widly accepted.

i'm not going to go any farther because i sound like a freak conspiracy theorist even to myself, and i have no quotable proof and i'm not going to go looking for it. but that's what i believe. i believe in God, that he created us and all the animals on the planet as they appear today. i believe that the complexities of life on this planet are far to great and intricate and incredible to have been "dumb luck and chance" i believe that dinosaurs existed with humans and this planet is not as old as we think. i believe there are a lot of strange animals out there that are extinct that we find the remains of and because they almost look like one kind of animal, and have a few properties of another, oh! they must be a missing link, is complete idiocity.

but mostly, i like to believe that i'm not an accident. that i was put on this earth with a purpose, and that there is a being out there who loves me, and who is looking out for me, and who has a plan for my life, because i certainly dont!

[osteoporoosi]

The muck was formed when supposedly a star exploded, and the remains started to form planets (=our solar system). At first Earth was just magma and volcanos, that released aqueous steam and other gases such as Co2 and nitrogen. Atmosphere started forming, after that heavy rains started and formed the muck, where life began.

In a nutshell, i think this makes sense and in my opinion is the safer way, and it is almost proven in everyday life. I don't think evolution theory offends christians, I'm a christian too. And as someone mentioned, maybe God started the whole thing?

Aren't both creationism and evolution taught already at school? Creationism at theology and philosophy classes and evolution at biology classes?

And sorry for all the folks that are sick and tired of this kind of debates, I couldn't resist

[Celeste]

lots of kids don't take theology and philosophy classes, at least not in the US. at my school they stayed away from "how we got here" all together. i think that if they teach evolution in a biology class, they need to teach creationism right along with it in biology class. it's not against the "sepparation of church and state" (which is a WHOLE other can of worms i won't get into) to teach christianity or creationism in schools. it merely has to be taught with other major religions and "how we got here" theories so that nobody plays favorites.

[TheOldSalt]

Some other guys took a bunch of amino acids and slammed them together in such a way as to simulate an asteroid or cometary impact. The result? Peptides!

I have no problems with the idea that the building blocks of life can be formed by simple physics. Frankly, all life is is a complex series of self-resetting electrochemical reactions interacting with each other and governed by the laws of physics. In effect, nothing is really alive when you really think about it. We are made of the same elements as the rocks, but those elements are simply arranged differently.

On the other hand, I don't believe for a minute that the arrangement of those molecules happened all by accident.

I believe in evolution. There is no definition of life, but life has characteristics, and one of those characteristics is the ability to change in response to stimuli.
Evolution is only a theory, but then so is gravity.

The thing I don't understand is why so many people think that it doesn't exist. To say that something so wondrous and perfect and useful as evolution does not exist strikes me as a grave insult to God. These same people seem to think that He got everything else right, so why don't they give Him any credit for coming up with something like this?
Why can't God have used His nifty labor-saving tool to shape the world?

[Pac-Man]

speaking of the separation church and state... are ppl still getting mad about the us national anthem having "one nation under god" in the lyrics???? just wondering since i havent heard about it in a while...

[Celeste]

Originally Posted by Pac-Man @ Sun May 15, 2005 1:51 pm speaking of the separation church and state... are ppl still getting mad about the us national anthem having "one nation under god" in the lyrics???? just wondering since i havent heard about it in a while...

the funny thing about that, the guy who started complaining about it, was an athiest, but his daughter, whom he's supposedly fighting this for, is a christian, as is her mother, his Ex wife! his daughter has no problem with saying "One Nation Under God" because she believes it.

[Pac-Man]

hehe thats pretty funny

[Osiris]

see now that makes sense with the explotion, but it literally takes a very long time for evolution to take place, so i it would have to happen very rapidly in the 8-10k years like ya think, but if that's the case then we now are not evolving rapidly, thing that i believe slows us down from evolving further is of course $$ wish could just toss it out, and work to better ourselves and to have flying cars, come on

[shev]

besides that, the majority of people in the US are Christians and believe in Creationism. therefore, i believe it should be taught in schools, along side evolutionism.

I thinkt he majority of christians believe in evolution. it would be hard to teach creationism, or what is now being renamed inteligent design, without bringing religion into school walls.

speaking of the separation church and state... are ppl still getting mad about the us national anthem having "one nation under god" in the lyrics???? just wondering since i havent heard about it in a while...

yes, some people also want the words "in god we trust" off of money and stuff too.
although I may not be a very religous person, I dont mind them. but they havent always been there. I hate the argument americas founders and fore fathers were religious people, so religion should be a part of the government. our founders also had enough sense to keep that religion out of state, and an American republic based primarily on individual rights

I think the words "one nation under god" were added to the anthem around the cold war? because we were just trying to do the opposite of the communists.

[osteoporoosi]

In my opinion religion shoudn't be mixed up with politics at all. But that kind of intolerance against any religious group is just ridicolous.

[Pac-Man]

hmmm... the funny thing is we still may be evolving... u know wisdom teeth??? the teeth that u get when u get older??? well, more and more people are not getting them as they may not be necassary. thats what i was told at the dentist. and guess what, im one of those ppl, my bottom wisdom teeth are non-existent. just thought id share that story with you guys...

[Celeste]

Originally Posted by MalawianPro @ Sun May 15, 2005 2:01 pm see now that makes sense with the explotion, but it literally takes a very long time for evolution to take place, so i it would have to happen very rapidly in the 8-10k years like ya think, but if that's the case then we now are not evolving rapidly, thing that i believe slows us down from evolving further is of course $$ ****wish could just toss it out, and work to better ourselves and to have flying cars, come on

your getting mixed up. ****i believe the earth is quite young, but i do NOT believe in evolution. ****i believe the earth and all it's inhabitants were CREATED several thousand year ago, not 500 gazillion like everyone else.

those who believe in evolution believe the earth is 500 gazillion years old, leaving plenty of time for slow evolution to take place

and i'm not going to get into sepparation of church and state. i've gotten banned from forums for telling people there's a natural cure for autism and ADD......

[osteoporoosi]

This may seem like off topic but what the heck:
It has been studied, that womens bikini lines, leg hair and armpit hair have shrunk in the last hundred years. Most women shave them off anyway, and the hair has started to get thinner and even disappearing. Sounds pretty wild, but can be true. Who knows.

[Celeste]

every time you rip hair out by the root, some of the hair follicles die. ****many women wax those areas on a weekly basis, thus killing off the hair follicles from the trauma of ripping the hair out by the root, so eventually the hair does not grow back.

it also has to do with genetics. my dad has very fine hair, so do i, since i take after him more than my mom in many ways. so my hair is blonde like my moms, but very fine and soft in texture like my dads. that's including my leg hair.