Political Views Cont.

[Ichthius]

Here's the new thread gil_ong requested. Sorry I couldn't just move the posts, I don't mod this section, but thought I'd go ahead and get it vaguely organized.

This will probably end up being closed. So don't bash people's views and be polite as long as you can. Most of us are adults, so please act like that, and if you're not, try Thanks

Referring to a political comment...

Asully70 posted

not needed COM that just pisses me off. if you need to see a link that the media wolnt show because they are 100% in favor of the democratic party here it is.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDJSVPAx8xc turns out obama cant speak either. i would say miss south carolina is a minature obama


just incase you didnt watch the VP debate palin tore up biden

COM posted

Not sure what debate you were watching...

She continued the embarrassing Couric interview to the debate. She speaks lots of words but says nothing. Same as W.

Women, feminists in particular, should be insulted that this is the best woman that the Republicans could find. Jody Rell, maybe? I'm certainly not a democrat and definitely not an Obama fan but the choice of this dummie has certainly lost my vote. Good job McCain. You have now prove that you're a scenile old man. Or possibly the Manchurian Candidate.

Asully70 posted

Well in the least amount of words I will disagree with you simple as that but i'm just tired of people and the media publicly bashing things I believe in. You can only take so much then you just get pissed. People openly bash george bush and im not saying he is perfect but you HAVE to support the president no matter what he is doing. I have heard so many people openly bash stuff that doesnt matter its just getting rediclous. I cant wait untill this election is over and I hope who ever the next president is, I hope he is supported and I hope we dont hve another 8 years of people crapping on the president. You can't have a strong nation unless everyone is united.

emc7 posted

Wow that trumpet is painful. I agree its about a half step off. Maybe the tape was stretched or noone bothered to transcribe the music.

The Bush bashers I can't stand are the ones who didn't bother to vote. From the way everyone talks, you'ld think we'd have 100% turn out, but we're never even close.

It is cool we can bash our pres and not get arrested like a lot of other places.

I can't really blame Biden et. al. for bashing Bush & McCain to try to get elected, but its getting pretty old. I would like to hear some actual plans. If you could still duel someone who called you a liar, politics would get a lot more interesting.

Palin was spouting prepared remarks instead of answering the questions, but she did less opponent bashing.

I don't think a really bright woman would have the right wing pull of someone who "shares the values" of our homegrown willfully ignorant.

And yes I am bashing the people who think
"intelligent design" belongs in science class and "abstinance only" is an effective strategy against teen motherhood. These people are shown propagada videos that are marketed to their churches. They then believe what the see because they trust their authority figures. Sheep, we need to think for ourselves. There is a place for faith and a place for data. If we don't teach our children math and to use the scientific method and trust the results we will end up last place in the world economy.

Asully70 posted

This is very true. But when you spend days apon days of studying forign policys and plans and basically cramming for all the questions she is going to be forced to answer thats what happens. I'm guessing that these answers were rehearsed in every possible way thus coming out sounding like "prepared remarks" rather than her actual ideas and thoughts. Try repeating somthing in an arguement 30 times over and over and listen to see if you sound more convinsing the first time your say it to the last. You will sound more "computer like" the last time you say it compared to the first time when you were in the heat of the argument. I respect all the people running and their running mates. I hope to see the American people rally behind who ever is president and get us out of this economic problem, finish both wars going on and get this country back on track. I would have to agree on the one statment you said 100% of the bush bashers dont vote. I wouldnt say 100% but I see this all the time. I'm a student and I see this on campus all the time. People speaking up for Obama and how great he is and I ask them if they are registered to vote and they say no. Oregons elecortal votes most likely will go to Obama unless some freak of nature happens but I would rather have a 75% or higher turn out for voting rather than a 30%. Dissapointing the government forces you to go to jury duty but not to vote.

emc7 posted

they only send you to jury duty if you register, that why many people say they don't register. But usually only 30% of registered voters vote, so the real number (counting the unregistered) is even lower.

Ichthius posted

That statement just scares me. Doesn't that defy the point of a democracy? Might as well live in North Korea.

COM posted

Agreed, Leah.

The great thing about America (and it might actually be down to just the one these days) is that you don't have to support the president or any other slimeball politico. I despise Bush. I always will. I will likely despise the next crook in the White House. I also despise the Governor of New York (Paterson - ugh). Despised Spitzer before then as a whiny rich kid.

We as a people need to revolt and demand better leadership. It's about time.

emc7 posted

We need to vote. We have a mechanism for change of leadership. Thats what makes a democracy. If you don't like the status quo, run for office.

Thats the one point I gave Gov. Palin in the debate, she said that what comes next is more important that fixing the blame for the past. Both side have been doing the "my oppenent said this then and it was wrong" thing enough to make me tune out.

Asully70 posted

I know off topic again but the county I live in and most the countys in Oregon select jury duty off of whos registered to vote and DMV records (who has a registered liscense or address). But saying that you must support the president to me means the mass media shouldnt talk poorly about him (believe it or not there are people who dont follow politics who just go off whats said on TV and ill assure you majority of stuff heard on TV is overexadurated or just completly wrong) and you just need to respect what he does because majority of people in the US couldnt do a better job. If you think you can do a better job go run for office. You dont have to agree to respect him and you can still disagree in a respectful and mature way. Don't just go out and buy a sticker 1-8-09 Bushs last day or what ever the date is.

mrmoby posted

That is the beauty of the free society we live in. Whether you like how the administration is treated or not, the media's job is not to be cheerleaders for the government. Otherwise you may as well live in North Korea, Russia, China, etc. where the media is controlled by the government and you only get one point of view. Here, despite the cries of liberal media bias, there is a wide array of media to choose from, so you are bound to find some outlet that suits your needs.

Should Obama be elected, Fox News will become the bashers, and NBC, CBS, etc. will once again love the White House. Still, you will have differeing voices, and the opportunities to draw your own conclusions.

Asully70 posted

you are totally missing what I am saying. you can agree or disagree with the president. just do it with some class and respect. what is happening to bush is just horrible for a country.

[crazyfishlady]

After watching the last couple of debates I would have to say that it doesn't look good for the middle class if the Republicans make it in again.

[TheOldSalt]

Oh, like the Dems are gonna be one bit better.

[Ghost Knife]

I just wanted to remind everyone here that the all of the major cities in the U.S. that have had increasing criminal activity over the last 30 years have been mainly ran by Democrats. If you folks don't believe me look up Chicago's, Detroit's, and Jackson's history.

[COM]

Well, back to Bush bashing.

Bush is an incompetent weasel. He failed at everything he ever did in his silver-spoon life. He's been the worst leader our nation has ever had. We'll be lucky if we can ever recover from the tailspin that he put us into.

Now I realize I shouldn't blame Bush completely. He's too stupid to have done this on his own. He's a puppet who let himself get surrounded by the worst bunch of greedy and corrupt people on the planet. Yet, under his watch, Rome began burning and instead of trying to put it out, he just said, "What fire?" and earmarked a few billion more to his cronies at Halliburton.

Under no circumstances do I find any reason to show respect or class to people like W. He and his lot have made it their business to take a dump on the people (and environment) of our planet. I am not impressed by titles. If I met him in a diner I would gladly say all of this to his face and ask him to apologize for genocide, destruction of natural habitats, allowing the entire infrastructure of nation to deteriorate, and profiting grossly off of the death of thousands of people.

BTW I'm not a liberal or a Democrat. Just stating the facts as I see them.

[mrmoby]

Respect, in my mind is something that is earned, not simply by title, but by action. Bush has not done anything to gain my respect. As far as I am concerned, a bumpersticker with the date he leaves office is the least of the disrespect he has earned himself.

[guppyart]

I vote we all make katie,leah and I presidents and get it over with

[gil_ong]

LOL. the SNL skit is HILARIOUS! almost as hilarious as the real debate.

[mesapod]

The one with Tina Fey playing Palin was so hilarious ans she looked a lot like Palin too.

[gil_ong]

tina fey got lucky with looking like palin.

the mannerisms and speech..... now that's skill.

[COM]

All comedians got lucky with McCain picking Palin. She's a sure source of entertainment fodder for years to come... if they win.

If you live in Ohio call me and I'll give you five thousand reasons to vote for Obama.

[mrmoby]

I lost rack of time and missed that skit by 5 minutes. Guess I'll have to track it down on line. Tina Fey does a great job with the impersonation....but I don't know if I can deal with four years of that voice!*lol*

[Fishfirst]

First off... I would like to say that I am a conservative and I was not in the boat with McCain until demecrates picked obama. obama has no experience what so ever, period. And whoever disagrees with me, is welcome to tell me what he has done over his tiny tiny period of being a US senator. Name one bill he has written that has made it through congress. Even with the dems in control of the house and the senate, obama is so far left he hasn't done anything of significance except write about himself. obama not only is against the surge and the war (something we are winning and will have a huge ally in when its said and done with as well as incoming money from that government for what we did) but he can't even admit that he was wrong about the surge. This is the kind of elitist you want in the white house :P. obama on abortion pro choice right? well what if I told you he voted against protecting born babies of botched abortions. Yes living, breathing, human beings. These human beings have been left to die in linen closets, and that my friends is murder. He voted several times against a bill that would protect these babies, and very few demecrates did. He claimed that he "thought the bill was worded differently," well obama I'm glad that you can't read. The economy is another pile of crap that obama has put forth. He plans on giving you all a tax break right? Well with the current situation he said "some of our plans need to be cut" which will it be? His spending on health care? or your taxes? Given his record of raising taxes 96 times in the last 3 years, I would say tax break is probably out the window. Also this "trickle up" economy as he calls it, has no way of benefiting the american people. His taxes on corporations WILL make them go out of the country, his taxes on small businesses WILL make prices higher, his taxes on the wealthy WILL increase unemployment. And on top of that 95% of americans WILL NOT get their tax break. These are truths that is the basics of the economy. And I would like to also point out that obama has been the #2 beneficiary in three years of Freddy Mac and Fanny May. 2nd to senator dodds.

Under the McCain plan, everyone is still getting a tax break (just not as big as obamas proposal) and he is going to cut government spending (just look at Sarah Palins record on cutting government spending in Alaska). He is going to end the war in a responsible mannor because he's actually had military expereince. He's got a lot of experience in washington and knows how to get things done. Yes McCain isn't squeeky clean, but he doesn't have connections and close ties with KNOWN AND CONVICTED TERRORISTS, CRIMINALS, and KNOWN EXTERMISTS AGAINST AMERICA.

[Baby_Baby]

Originally Posted by Fishfirst

Yes McCain isn't squeeky clean, but he doesn't have connections and close ties with KNOWN AND CONVICTED TERRORISTS, CRIMINALS, and KNOWN EXTERMISTS AGAINST AMERICA.

And as Palin said in the debate, she and John McCain have been proud of the U.S. their entire lives. That was one of the best political burns I've seen and heard in a while.

[BV77]

HOW TRUE!!!!


You couldn't get a job at McDonalds and become district manager after 143
days of experience.

You couldn't become chief of surgery after 143 days of experience of being a surgeon.

You couldn't get a job as a teacher and be the superintendent after 143
days of experience.

You couldn't join the military and become a colonel after a 143 days of
experience.

You couldn't get a job as a reporter and become the nightly news anchor
after 143 days of experience.


BUT....


From the time Barack Obama was sworn in as a United State Senator, to the time he announced he was forming a Presidential exploratory committee, he
logged 143 days of experience in the Senate. That's how many days the
Senate was actually in session and working. After 143 days of work
experience, Obama believed he was ready to be Commander In Chief, Leader
of the Free World .... 143 days.

We all have to start somewhere. The senate is a good start, but after 143
days, that's all it is - a start.

AND, strangely, a large sector of the American public is okay with this
and campaigning for him. We wouldn't accept this in our own line of work, yet
some are okay with this for the President of the United States of America?

Come on folks, we are not voting for the next American Idol!

[GoodMike]

this is true, its not american idol...but its very much the same. Our elections have become so based on popularity, and party...that the real issues dont matter. We pick and pick at the small stupid stuff that shouldnt matter..and literally destroy the lives of the candidates... i know i wouldnt want to go through that, and im willing to bet its one major factor that is keeping people who really should be running for office from running.

Its just funny to me how divided people become over a party, to the point where people use that as in insult. oh...well he is democrat...... rofl. the whole thing is sad, and with how the system is now, we wont have a great president...period. Instead we will have contestants who are willing to go through all the BS...and for what? more BS.

Im not in agreement that we should always support our president no matter what, but its pretty sad that when our pres chokes a on pretzel...its on every channel and in every paper. Whats next? "Pres insert name here passed gas earlier today".. i mean...seriously.

Now, in all honesty i havent paid as much attention to this election..simply cause the whole thing makes me sick . But from what i have seen, its no different. None of the candidate are perfect by any means... some of them talk themselves into a hole...which they then try and dig themselves out of next interview, others promise the world and explain how the other party is to blame.... etc. its the same crap....new election year.

[fish_doc]

I dont trust anyone in Illinois politics.
George Ryan last governor is in prison and the current governor is currently undergoing many court cases due to the way he is running the state government. Illinois politicians is nothing but a bunch of thugs and mofia backed "leaders"

If you want your vote to count watch the following video.
http://www.tsgnet.com/pres.php?id=46...=blb:1gjti_epd

I know who Ill be voting for

Dave Alexander
AKA FISH_DOC

[Baby_Baby]

ROFL. What the goodness?!

[gil_ong]

you know what sucks?

you cannot fully believe ANYTHING you see, hear, read. how do you get reliable, accurate information? when someone claims someone else did or said something..... do you know the context?

[Fishfirst]

Obama has a ton of shady affiliations.