New Orleans in Chaos, worse not better

[Osiris]

Wow, i just cannot believe how worse it's getting, New Orleans is falling apart, am keeping this non-political, i read this how heartbreaking would it be too see starving babies there, that is where line is drawn and shows US isn't doing enough, i correct that they are just not fast enough.

Is this event in any comparison to 9/11?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9156612/

[shev]

you know they cut funding to the levies in 2003ish. peopel said they would break. now just the other day i heard "no one thought the levies would break".

[Baby_Baby]

actually they haven't proved yet that anyone was raped. They haven't been able to prove that, but 2 shots were fired. correct me if I'm wrong. please

anyways, its so sad! my school is teamng up with feed the children, salvation army, and some other foundations and collecting and sending out supplies. Lucky for them that our school is right next to wal mart!

[fish_doc]

Yea its bad but today the people were shooting guns at the helicopters and boats trying to help them. So they left them on their own. Also the supply helicopters trying to get food to the superdome could not even land because people were rushing them. They ended up throwing food out the door. Even though things are bad the people there in the problem area are not helping out themselves or others by their actions. People stealing guns. Why? Food OK I understand that. ESP if no one is even trying to run a store. Their insurance will pay them back for them anyway. But guns they dont have anything they need to protect anymore.
There have even been reports or people being raped in the superdome. Now with 20,000 people in this building, there was no one there to see and help stop it from happening?

[mlefev]

I think a lot of those kinds of reports from inside the superdome need to be taken with a grain of salt. The lawlessness and unruly crowds are true, but I've heard accounts of people being raped, murdered, dying in droves, etc. I'm sure there is truth to some of the rumors, but people also have a very good sense of imagination. They'd probably say anything if they thought it would get them out of there quicker.

[Baby_Baby]

Just wondering a few things:

1. A lot of the people who stayed in their homes (not all) chose to stay there and not evacuate. Ok, so I mean there are hundreds of volunteers working around the clock and risking their lives to save them....I don't get that

2. They can not find Fats Domino (spelling???) they have tried to make contact with him and they can not find him. (he was in New Orleans I think)

2.

[shev]

http://www.zippyvideos.com/891102377...ing-in-walmart
http://media.putfile.com/tdy_quintanilla_looting_050831
cops can loot with the best of them.

[mlefev]

Amusing...sad, but amusing. Oh well I guess the cops like freebies too, geesh.

[TheOldSalt]

Fats Domino is okay. A random photo shows him getting off a rescue boat. YAY!

LOTS of shots have been fired.

[Baby_Baby]

ya. Just found that out this mornin! they've rescued him! yippeeee!!!!

question: whay exactly are shots being fired?

[fishfreaks]

why or what babybaby? People are angry that they were left behind.

[garfieldnfish]

Do you guys think this is funny? We will all pay the price for the narrow minded people of New Orleans (and others). I am not talking of the people left behind to suffer the consequenses. I am talking about the people that have ignored the warnings of scientists and engineers for decades. Rather then to reinforce the levies (as Holland did, they have 3 successive dams, if one breaks, the other two will hold off the water until the people are safe) they elected to just ignore the warnings. I would venture to say they did exactly that because the upgrading of an outdated system would have cost too much and could not be supported by taxing the State of Louisiana, without hurting the rich or the profit margin. Once all the facts are out in the open, I believe we have a national crisis on our hands not just along the lines of black and white (obvious because most of the people affected the worst were black) but also along the lines of the haves and have nots. (gas and heat prices will see to that and not just in the southern states). Time to level the playing field and make college education available only to the kids that are smart and not to the kids whose parents can pay for it. Within one generation the playing field would be leveled and this country will have a future, otherwise it will perish just like Babylon, Rome, Greece and, well Atlantis. All great empires (Atlantis a mystery) that got too greedy. There are more poor people then rich people. The richer a country gets, the poor get more unsatisfied and the poor will eventually take it over by riots, civil wars or just killing off the rich. The empire will then vanish as in the past and not hardly show up in writings. I believe the time is ripe for this and the Los Angelos Riots were a small prelude of what is about to happen.
BTW I am German and watched this from inside and outside the US for years and it was only a matter of time. I believe it is about to happen. God help us all (if there is one but that is another story). Because if there is a God, he is a sick bastard to let this happen to his "chosen" ones. I believe he favors microorganisms over us because they will survive the next few years. We may survive a few more years, even hundreds (a few of us if we don't learn or a few thousands if we learn and rebound) but the microoganisms will be there until the end of Earth's time. Maybe dolphins will rule the next set up, who knows? They are smart enough and can resist floods and the shut down of the conveyor belt and can restart a smart population.
I just wish people would stop being a parasite on Earth and learn to appreciate it without plundering it and North America as well as Europe are doing exactly that.
Birth control would be a good start since there are too many people on this planet. (The more people, the more fights there are over resources, hence the stupid argument over abortion or birth control are counter productive, who believes it's wrong won't do it anyway and the rest will pay the consequences if there is a God, which, well is anyones hope but no one can prove it and I would personally like to meet him because I have a few issues to discuss with him, like my sister in law dying from brain cancer, several of my cats dying long before their life was up and, well, others.)
I have travelled many countrys and seen a lot of different ways of life. Most Americans go on vacation within the US borders. This limited exposure causes a lack of understanding of other cultures and how they may react. Hence the horrific "victory" of the Iraq war. If Bush would have listened to some other nations we would not be in the state we are in now and could cope with New Orleans a lot better. The military and it resourses (my husband being retired military) were great even after the draw downs of the Clinton Administration. Now they they are overseas and not much help here. Great that we can rebuild a nation (Iraq) that we destroyed in the first place and are left short on rebuilding New Orleans. We attacked a nation that was under a dictactor much inclined to embellinsh the American way (Bin Laden called him a nonbeliever and they would never have been partners in their quest). If we would have paid Sadam enough we could have gotten exclusive rights to his oil a much better option in my eyes. He was a capitalist after all. Now it may very well be left in the hands by Islam radicals, where women suffer under the regime worse then they could ever under Sadam. We went in there because Bush wanted to remove the only blemish on his father's record (since he did not finish him off in the first place when he attacked Kuwait and the whole world was behind him. An attack obvious for financial reasons, like I said a captialist of American proportions) and we all will suffer for it (I live in the states) I could go on for days but would it do any good?

I know there will be many people screaming at me. But please get over the initial reaction and sit back and read this a second time and think. May I not have a few valid points? If you think I do (or don't) please let me know. I would love to discuss this further even if someone can point out a different site or forum to put this under, because I believe this discussion is essential for American survivial.

[Baby_Baby]

exscuse me, but don't put down my God. okay? Life ain't fair, my best friend died of cancer, I was abused by my aunt, man I even had eating disorders from 6 th grade till 8th. but ya know what? If it wasn't for my God and my religion I woulda commited suicide a long time ago. People have times they need to be here and they have a time to leave here. Is it easy for us? heck no! but it doesn't mean we have to blame other people for what has happened in our own lives.

I mean why is everyone blamin Bush for everything? he can't stop a natural disaster. okay I mean some of us might have done a lot of things different than he has but that gives us no right to beat him up about it. He has stress I mean he is one of the most powerful man in the world, but with that power comes like huge responsibility (and yes Its sound like I'm quoting spider-man) so like ease up or go to another foum to discuus politics and religion.

[garfieldnfish]

All I can say Baby Baby read my comments again. Sit back and reflect. I do not put down people that believe in God. They may have a lot easier life because they have something to cling to and believe in life after death and all that goes with it but I don't trust all my life to him because he may not actually exist (Something Republicans would love to remove from the school forum, trying to inject an alternative, since the God believing people are their major base of electorates). If you believe, odds are you are already in a better state of mind then the rest of us that do not. But do not kill in the name of God or Allah or whatever you may call it, because if there is no such thing you are just doing that "KILLING". Which is exacly what the Islamic fundamentalists are doing and you would do the same if the shoe were on the other foot. I do not believe in either. I believe we are a result of evolution and in the scope of millions of years, a very short chapter of this earth. But I do believe in nature and letting nature live. I cry when I loose a cat or rat or fish, I love those creatures and they do not believe in God but they have the same right to this planet we have.

[Baby_Baby]

well I'd love to discuss wiith you sometime over e-mail maybe. i have some questions to ask about what you believe (not an arguement at all) I do see what you are saying and I think you have made some good points. Its just that when you put down God, you are putting down me becuas ehe is my best friend and all that jazz. thats all. but I do thank you for your inputs and I'm glad we won't be at each other's throats in the future.

[garfieldnfish]

My email is Sybille.Finnegan@comcast.net. I would love to discuss this further anywhere and with anyone. If I could get an understanding of how the people that believe in God got there I might feel better too. But I would like to warn you, it will take a lot of facts to convince me otherwise. All the evidence is in my favor and the bible is just a "bunch of written words" to me so don't quote them. If the book of Stephen King ("It") would have survived what would we make of this and how would our religion be today? The bible is a history book that lists a lot of events to include hurricanes (or tsunamis in that region) normally occuring plaques of lotuses and other events that people of that time could not explain. Just like there were Sun Gods and Fire Gods before people knew what they where. The more we know, the less of a need for a God because those things can be explained. Death can not. Noone of us has been there, hence the need for a God, and that is the only remaining frontier. I wish I could believe and see something after death but unfortunately that escapes me, maybe being reborn has better prospects, at least there are signs that we have come back again under hypnosis but I would have to witness that myself to believe. My mother "died" when she was 78 while under medication from surgery. She does not remember much about that time but she does remember a field of flowers and not wanting to leave. She said something told her to go back and she was fighting it. She does not remember me or my sister being in the hosital for 2 weeks watching over her but she says that field of flowers she still remembers and it has been six years since. She is also no longer afraid of dying and my mother was not a church going person.

[Baby_Baby]

jsut becuase something can't be explained with science does not mean it doesn't exist

[shev]

Wheres your scientific proof about that?

personally I'd like to see a thread about religion. this a very very touchy subject. probably one that many see as taboo.

[TheOldSalt]

Hey, garfield, try the Neutral Zone section at www.trekbbs.com . They probably already have a thread or six very much in keeping with the subjects you seem to want to discuss. They'll eat you for breakfast, of course, but you'll have your say, and find many who agree with you. Just don't be careless enough to post your email address on that site; very bad things happen over there to those so foolhardy.

[Baby_Baby]

lol Oldsalt. yes religion is way touchier than politics. bad idea for the forums.