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[Scuba Kid]

Global warming is caused by too much carbon being released into the atmosphere. This is partially our doing and it is having effect on the environment.

[Osiris]

I think it's aliens from MArs, they want our planet since it's bigger and need it warmer like their's I say we move to the moon.

[leveldrummer]

Originally Posted by Scuba Kid

Global warming is caused by too much carbon being released into the atmosphere. This is partially our doing and it is having effect on the environment.

thats what alot of people THINK cause it, there is no proof, and the whole green house effect and other stuff, there are millions of ways to explain them, ive gone through a couple already, not saying its not true, but i am saying i dont think its gonna be the down fall of the earth, some people blow it way out of preportion, the earth has its own ways, if it gets tired of us, it will simply shake us off like a wet dog.

[shev]

Theres not much debate about global warming, just the greenhouse effect.


No proof? of course there's proof. it is a theroy after all, theories, and pretty muh anything "proben" by science is never fact, but a theory has a lot to back it up. Green house gases are good insulators and have been shown they can keep heat in, so why not in a larger sense with the entire earth? We can tell what temperatures have been like for the past couple of hundred years by tree rings. and to go much further back, ancient coral and ice cores from anarctica reveal what the atmosphere and temperature was long long ago. heck we have just recently found a crocodile fossil from the cretaceous period in New Jersey. this fossil showed that at the time carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas levels had been at their highest ever recroded, and also the earth was at its highest temperatures and sea levels.

sure the earth has its natural temperature fluctuations over millions of years, but its been shown our temps are drastically increasing compared to them. is it just by coincidince that global warming started to much more rapidly occur after the industrial revolution? just a coincidence that at times with record highs of co2 the earths temperature was also at a record high?

so do you deny that green house gases trap heat? or that there arent any up there or what?

who knows, but i dont think its deforestation or suv's. studies recently showed that if the earth was covered with more trees, the temperature would actually rise, so most eco nuts are way off.

the forests actually arent the major co2 sink on earth, its the plankton in the ocean. thats why global warming, greenhouse effect, and ozone depletion all go hand in hand. plankton do a great job at eating co2 but are sensitive to UV light. that why where there are holes in the ozon layer theres less plankton, and more co2. no ozone, =less plankton=more green house gases=higher temperature. it onlt makes sense to me. I think these... "eco nuts" are on to something.

[shev]

There are lots of theories out there about global warming, i think we can all settle on one, a compromise?




Its been proven that the number of pirates and the average earth's temperature are directly related. To solve global warming we must re-establish native pirate populations and remove invasive ninjas that compete.

[Baby_Baby]

Originally Posted by leveldrummer

yea weather is hay wire, but to blame "global warming" i think is crazy. not to sound like bob, but there is no evidence. there is evidence that the earth has always changed temperatures over time, and no one looks at other options, they just blame suv's or nintendo, anyone think that maybe the earths rotation around the sun is slowing due to friction? as it slows it would loose centripital force (spelling) and slowly get closer and closer to the sun. hot hot hot

true. There is no evidence to support global warming. Its just a bunch of people with statistics and a theory that has not been proven. it is only a theory.

[Baby_Baby]

maybe we should just get people to stop eating beans

[shev]

Originally Posted by Baby_Baby

true. There is no evidence to support global warming. Its just a bunch of people with statistics and a theory that has not been proven. it is only a theory.

I'm not sure if you know what a theory is. Theories are never proven. Theories can only be disproven. A million things can be found to strengthen a theory, but a single repeatable observation can disprove one. Theories just explain why or how things happen. Thories predict things (like with more greenhouse gases average temperature increases, its been predicted and shown) theyre testable, make sense, and have never been proven false.


"A bunch of people with statistics" is exactly what makes a theory a theory.


evolution, plate tectonics, and gravity are all "just theories"

[leveldrummer]

shev, your absolutly right about theories, im not saying green house gases dont exist, just that these theories have faults, the main fault is the people behind them, i can make you believe anything with the right statistics, if i came up with a theory, that because of the general population increase of human beings, thats the reason why the earth is heating, because everyones body temperature raises the ambient air temp, and so on and so on, or maybe baby was right about the methane, you know millions and millions of cubic feet of methane bubbles out of the gulf of mexico every year (also the reason for the bermuda triangle mystery in my opinion, if you want to know why ill tell you in another thread, very interesting) not to mention the increased livestock needs and all the methane they produce. there are great theories out there, but they are NOT fact. im not saying that the earth isnt heating up, or that we all arent going to die, im just saying that most of the people that back up all these theories, seem to have hidden agendas for promoting these theories, and that usually makes people hear what they want to hear. there is no proof that global warming is happening, just theories, but i just gave you a theory thats just as plausible (the population one, not the farts) can you deny that one?

[Reefneck]

Originally Posted by Baby_Baby

maybe we should just get people to stop eating beans

OMG, No More Pork N Beans??

[Baby_Baby]

Originally Posted by shev

I'm not sure if you know what a theory is. Theories are never proven. Theories can only be disproven. A million things can be found to strengthen a theory, but a single repeatable observation can disprove one. Theories just explain why or how things happen. Thories predict things (like with more greenhouse gases average temperature increases, its been predicted and shown) theyre testable, make sense, and have never been proven false.


"A bunch of people with statistics" is exactly what makes a theory a theory.


evolution, plate tectonics, and gravity are all "just theories"

Theories have been proven right. Ex: Someone thought the sun was the center of the universe. BINGO they were right. Theories can be proven right. There's not some law that says they can't be. Theories do guess things, but they also are ideas that can be proven.
TIME FOR RANDOM THOUGHTS
Some people may see life as a theory, but what is it we are trying to prove? They are always trying to find out where they came from or what will happen to them. Are we trying to prove to people what will happen to us when we're gone, but how can we prove it if we're already dead?

[Baby_Baby]

people base theories on information. What if the global warming information is jacked up? Its all pretty confusing. I think I've got a headache. XD

[shev]

Originally Posted by Baby_Baby

Theories have been proven right. Ex: Someone thought the sun was the center of the universe. BINGO they were right. Theories can be proven right. There's not some law that says they can't be. Theories do guess things, but they also are ideas that can be proven.
TIME FOR RANDOM THOUGHTS
Some people may see life as a theory, but what is it we are trying to prove? They are always trying to find out where they came from or what will happen to them. Are we trying to prove to people what will happen to us when we're gone, but how can we prove it if we're already dead?

"heliocentrism" is a theory. theories can never be proven, no matter how true they seem to be.

there is no proof that global warming is happening, just theories, but i just gave you a theory thats just as plausible (the population one, not the farts) can you deny that one?

Yes, there is proof. as I said above, ancient coral and ice cores from anarctica reveal what the atmosphere and temperature was long long ago. even fossils.

so you do think that greenhouse gases keep the earth warm, this is obvious. Greenhouse gases are increasing. Green house gas sinks are decreasing. the temperature is rising. you dont dispute any of these? so you just think theyre all coincidences? So a given amount of greenhouse gases will increase temperature and keep the earth warm, until a certain point? even if you add substantially more greenhouse gases the temp will stop increasing?


sure, recently global warming has been used politically. but thats no reason to not believe something because of the people that use it. Politicians arent necessarily using science to benefit themselves, but are using science for the benefit of everyone. Al Gore legitimately believed global warming was a serious problem. He only made plans to correct it, he wrote a book (Earth In Balance) about it, and his plans like the global marshal plan to correct it.

im just saying that most of the people that back up all these theories, seem to have hidden agendas for promoting these theories, and that usually makes people hear what they want to hear.

It just seems to me people that dont believe in the greenhouse effect are disregarding information, and hearing only what they want to hear. maybe they dont want to believe it could be partially their fault?

[TheOldSalt]

Hey, the people trying to deny global warming have a MUCH BIGGER agenda, namely, not spending hundreds of billions of dollars in corrective measures.

[leveldrummer]

haha, i cant believe im arguing this.

Yes, there is proof. as I said above, ancient coral and ice cores from anarctica reveal what the atmosphere and temperature was long long ago. even fossils.

so these corals and dinosaurs were driving hummers? and that shows that its our fault now? that doesnt make sense to blame humans for something that apparently happens naturally. im not saying we dont pollute, and im also not saying its not harmful, or that we should just keep on doing it, but i dont think its causing the earth to do anything the earth wasnt going to do already. i do think we should try to be less of a disease on the face of the earth, but for other reasons.

Someone thought the sun was the center of the universe. BINGO they were right.

ummm... i hate to tell you, but the sun isnt the center of anything except our solor system. the universe is just a wee bit bigger.

[Fishboy93]

Originally Posted by TheOldSalt

Not from me, you won't.

I think that 2005 was really bad, but we ain't seen nuthin' yet. I predict 5 hurricane landfalls in Fl in 2006, with 3 of those storms hitting Cat-5 before hitting land.

I also think Seattle will win the Superbowl, 17-14. I had a dream about it nearly a YEAR ago, and lo, Seattle is sure enough in the Superbowl. If I'm right about that, all you floridians might want to RUN.

ha the steelers won now im not gonna die!

[TheOldSalt]

Don't count on it. Right up until eight minutes to the end it looked like Seattle was going to score, and if they did, the score would indeed have been 17-14 Seattle winning, just like I thought. I was only off a little bit, which means you'll live, but you'll get clobbered just the same. Of course, a year ago the very thought that Seattle would be in the Superbowl at all was pretty goofy, so I'm still jazzed about that.

By the way, Pittsburg's first touchdown clearly wasn't one. That was a bad call and everyone knows it. Not that it matters, of course.

[Osiris]

LMAO@TOS

I love these heated debates! But i still think the Go'ould will come to get us or the O'ri

[craftyflalady]

Ohhhh....another SG-1 Fan! Cool Beans!

[craftyflalady]

Okay..on a serious note ( not sure I should be doing this being such a newbie here, but oh well)

I do believe in global warming, and I also believe it isn't as bad as the nay sayers would like us to believe. Our Mother Earth, has her own cycles she goes though. In the life time of the earth, we ( as in man) have been apart of this world, about 2 minutes!

So, with that in mind, how do we (man) explain the global warming that took place during the age of dino's? Or,how do We explain why at one point in time the whole earth was a great big snow ball ( even tropical regions froze)

We ( as in man) think we are so danged smart. We think we can explain everything away, and fix it all in some way. Personally, I don't think we are as smart as we think we are. I think there are forces at work that we don't even begin to understand. For all we know, this whole solar system could be an experiment in some freshmans science project! There are still alot of un-answered questions.

I do believe the weather across the planet will continue to get worse. I do believe it is partially part of the cycle of life upon this planet, and partially our doing. What can we do to stop it? Should we? We still have alot of questions to ask too......

I recycle...it's the right thing to do. I try not to waste water, again the right thing to do. But I am not going to try and control something I really can in no way even begin to understand. Stop cutting down the trees in the Amazon! Stop hurting the earth, and perhaps she will allow us to stay abit longer... If we don't, she may rid herself of us all together!

Now, are you all as confused by this subject as I am?

Oh...and just on a side note, I find the story line of Stargate more believible then some of the stuff I read from scienctists just guessin about what is happening or gonna happen. It's all a crap shoot people...

Ps...sorry about the spelling, always my worst problem to deal with! lol

Live each day like it's your last...treat others how you wish to be treated in turn. Simple as that.

sorry if I offend anyone...
Kathy